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Some 16 years ago Todd Van Poppel was drafted as a "can't miss" prospect by the Oakland A's in the 1st round of the 1990 draft. At the time, he was hailed as a 95-98 mph, large (6'-5") pitcher from Texas. Reportedly, he couldn't be signed because his college commitment to the Longhorns was rock solid. The A's signed him.

I was intrigued with him for many reasons. One, I was an A's fan. But as a 'baseball fan,' I couldn't wait to see this stud...if he threw 95-98, he must be UNHITTABLE! Many here know the story...couldn't throw a breaking pitch with command and hitters in the big leagues feasted on his fastball. He lasted parts of 11 seasons (not too shabby!), bounced around a bit. He closed his career in 2004 with the Reds sporting a lifetime 5.58 ERA.

How could this have happened?

Well, lets think about it a little deeper. Baseball is a very difficult sport. REALLY difficult. Unlike football (where 1st round picks often move right into the starting lineup) and basketball (where even HS stars sometimes are superstars...e.g. LeBron James), baseball takes much more time and training to hone ones skills. Most college freshman baseball players don't get a lot of time...must wait their turn...need to learn a bit more. A lot more like a college QB than anything else...except its ALL (nearly) of them. This is a BIG reason I LOVE baseball so much...I feel like I learn something new EVERY TIME I go to a game.

As a pitcher, a "can't miss prospect" must usually learn a 3rd pitch. And he must learn command. Add onto that, he must learn the "art" of pitching...how to effectively get hitters off balance. 95 mph alone is a tool, it qualifies you as an apprentice...but you're no journeyman or craftsman until years of training (2-5 at best).

As a hitter, a "can't miss prospect" has to learn how to hit the off-speed stuff with regularity and authority. Hitting 95 mph fastballs may qualify you as an apprentice...but years of training and climbing the ladder are also required.

I "knew" all of this in theory...I believed the experts. But I now "know" it. I've watched well over 100 high-D1 college baseball games in the last 1.5 years and I now "know" that 90+ mph from the bump won't cut it even with the 9-hitter unless you've got something else. Throwing off a hitter's timing is IMPERATIVE and when you don't, you pay for it. And many say high-D1 is better than rookie...more like low-A, maybe high-A depending on the teams in the game. So even then, you've got a minimum of 3 more levels to master the craft of pitching if you just want to be a 'journeyman' MLB pitcher.

Hitters at high-D1 who can only hit a fastball are in trouble too. For the first time in their lives, they will face 90-ish nearly every game. But they'll face 90-ish mixed in with offspeed stuff like they've never seen before. I've seen many 'great' hitters come into my favorite D1 program and take at least a year to claw their way back to within sight of hitting .300 again (BTW, they usually hit .500+ in HS). Its tough. At least 3 levels to go if they're drafted. There is so, so much to learn. Its a humbling game!

Sometimes as fans we think someone "failed" when they never play past college or only make it to "A" or "AA." Confused Sometimes as parents we feel our sons failed when they strike out 3 times or give up a game-winning HR. I am telling you that your HS(or above)-baseball playing son is a STUD! They ARE the real deal...just a tad short of the super-real deal right now. They have much to learn to become a "journeyman" on the level he and you dream about.

Yes, I believed all this "maturation stuff" in my mind. But I now know it. I loved sitting next to one of my son's teammates' father last year as fans came up to the radar-gun booth at the ballpark and could barely throw 65 mph. Yet these same fans will scream that a player "is weak" who only throws 85 mph. Go to a HS or college or minor league game (your son's?) and marvel at the wonderful talent before you. Don't look too far ahead...enjoy the moment...it is "fleeting." You know deep down inside that neither you nor I could ever have hoped to be that good. Wink
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justbb, what a great post!

I have been thinking some of the same things this summer as I watch my son's wood bat league. The teams in this league include current college players, plus some former college players and a few former minor leaguers. Some teams also have a few former HS stars who aren't playing in college.

It's not unusual to see pitchers in the 90 mph neighborhood, though many are in the mid-80s. To be honest I would have expected the 90 mph pitchers to dominate in a wood bat league where the majority of hitters are D2 - D3 college players. But I have quickly learned that if the 90 mph fastball is all a pitcher has, the batters bounce them out of the game pretty quickly.

The most effective pitchers I have seen in this league are the ones who seem never to throw the same speed twice in a row to a batter. Here comes a high 80's FB, then something off-speed, then another FB low-mid 80's, and so on. Most of the pitchers have some kind of breaking pitch, but from my relatively inexperienced observations this summer, the old saying that keeps popping into my head is: "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." (Warren Spahn, HOF pitcher) Wink
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Go to a HS or college or minor league game (your son's?) and marvel at the wonderful talent before you. Don't look too far ahead...enjoy the moment...it is "fleeting." You know deep down inside that neither you nor I could ever have hoped to be that good.


justbb, WOW,that is a post that presents so much about the game.
While I loved the entire post, I think these words have special meaning. I believe it applies as soon as a player runs onto that regulation diamond and confronts the challenges players have encountered and never mastered, or come close, in over 100 years.
When our sons step onto a college or minor league field, their skills are challenged in ways very few appreciate. Our sons experience it everyday, mentally and physically. They fail in situations they have never, ever failed before and they do it in "relative" isolation.
Their failures are not the end of the world but sometimes it seems that way to them. Actually, sometimes their failures are the end of their baseball world, if that is the decision of the college coach or professional organization.
Even if the "failed," they accomplished so much. Admiring their skills is, to me, such a healthy, and fun/enjoyable, way to watch the way the game is played in college and beyond.

Maybe your comments could be viewed as "obvious," but the "game" of baseball so often "hides" the obvious.
Wonderful post about a great game, the challenges it presents, and how to enjoy the talents of those who play it at a very high level.
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Thank you Justbaseball for another thoughtful and provactive post. And props to MN Mom for an excellent response too.
I subscribe to the belief that a good fastball will get turned around more often than a good change-up, if only because the guys that throw good change-ups have already learned the hard way that good hitters love fastballs. I only wish that more scouts thought that way.
Baseball is hard, and yes it does take time for even the best of natural talents to achieve mastery. It also takes time for many parents to master the patience needed to see this process unfold.
I still hold on to the hope that my own son, who will be entering college as a D1 pitcher this fall, will somehow get the chance to contribute significant innings as a freshman. And yet I know the chances are slim. At least he'll have the chance!
In the meantime, I will relish every moment of watching him play this summer, knowing that it could be the last time I get to watch him hit (always thought he was a better hitter than a pitcher), and maybe the last time that I can watch him play in person without traveling a great distance.
Yes, he's much better than I was, and much MUCH better than I could have even hoped for.
Excellent post - I have always contended that speed alone is not enough. Although my son has not always been noted for the velocity - he has been known for getting the batter out. Multiple pitches with pinpoint precision and always thinking on the mound. At 17 y.o. and 6' 4" / 175 lb, he is in the low 80's and has a curve and change up in his arsenal. Excellent mechanics and knowledge - with another 20 lbs I think he can top 90. However far he goes is a blessing - I LOVE every minute of it - even in 100 degree heat and 90% humidity!!
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Good post. As a comparison with Van Poppel, several years ago the Devil Rays drafted Matt White and payed him a signing bonus of around $10 million, and touted his high 90's fastball. So, when he came to play for the A team here in Charleston, I had to see what the circus was all about. He could bring it, all right...but it usually passed his head just as fast in the opposite direction. Straight as an arrow, no movement, no quality 2nd or 3rd pitches...he dominated HS in Pennsylvania, but was really struggling. I'm not sure he's even in baseball now.

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