The good stuff.....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Anyone missing the real hitting discussions?.....Ya know, the good stuff....

What does that mean Doggie?

Does that statement mean that all of the prior discussions have no value?

Does that mean that you return with an implicit insult to the entire community that contributes to this forum.

Bad start doggie.

Well, how 'bout it?????....Anyone missing the good stuff?..

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Well, how 'bout it?????....Anyone missing the good stuff?..

Yes - the response seems to be overwhelming. LOL

We are all eagerly awaiting more questions about how many tiny baseball players you can fit on the head of a pin.

And the ever wondrous "you dont see what you see"

Or - my personal favorite - "Creating chaos".

How about - "The high-level Swing" - Its a newie - but a goodie.

Then there is the "swing a bat into a 300 pound bag of sand."

And an old classic from 2004 - you dont need to worry about the strength of your arms, hands and wrists.

And dont listen to anyone that has played the game - particularly those who excelled at the game - just listen to the doggie - an anonymous troll

Throw in a few animated skeletons - a curve ball that doesnt really curve and about 500 insults per week.

And there you have it.

The Doggie menu - ala carte of course.



Bad doggie.

YODA........

You have returned huh......

Let me guess....what could it be this time...

Did someone hit a walk off homerun with a less than perfect swing ?

Or will it be more of listen to me (the guy who wont say how he teaches hitting or offer up any references), pat no attention to the guys who have taught this game for decades and have true real world experience in playing & coaching.

Or will it just be more of the one line insults to adults and the kids alike?

We can all hardly wait Yoda !!!!

The good posters don't waste their time here anymore...It's a shame....I do understand why, though....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
The good posters don't waste their time here anymore...It's a shame....I do understand why, though....

Doggie,

You starting trouble early in the morning?

Yoda,

"The good posters don't waste their time here anymore...It's a shame....I do understand why, though....
"

Certainly you are not including yourself as a good poster.

Strange, I have had great discussions with people since you started deleting your old posts and then vaporized.

There are plenty of great and insightful people here of all ages. It's shame the ONLY thing you can do is insult amd ridicule them.

But, then again, what would one expect from someone who starts a thread with....

"
If you're hitting the ball right at people, you're not swinging properly.....
"

and then deletes every post he puts in that thread.

or changes his profile from "I teach hitting" to "Prognosticator".


Just so you do understand Yoda, here is the dictionary's definiton of discussion.

Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.
A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition.

Your one-line insult barrage of others does NOT constitute a discussion.

I miss some of the discussions. It is inevitable that when any topic regarding hitting is presented, it soon becomes something else.

A lot of the old posts from the "good ol' days" have become private message posts with me so we can stay on subject. As CoachB25 said, the problem is that in this forum a lot of hitting instruction turns into an "I know more than you" war and no one gets anything out of it.

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Originally posted by Coach A:
A lot of the old posts from the "good ol' days" have become private message posts with me so we can stay on subject. As CoachB25 said, the problem is that in this forum a lot of hitting instruction turns into an "I know more than you" war and no one gets anything out of it.

Coach A, the problem is that I really enjoy hearing all of those differences of opinion since it gives me something to think about. I've always thought that the best way to gain insight as to what you truly believe is to hear someone else who is passionate about what they believe then measure that against your beliefs. (Does this make sense?) In the end, I know that I don't know anything and so, any thoughts, exchanges of ideas ... are a good thing at least where I'm concerned. JMHO!

I totally agree with you on hearing the differences. I just get frustrated and I think a lot of posters get frustrated when a thread turns into a battle between two individuals trying to prove a point and then the baseball discussion turns into a personal agenda. I think your posts are always really well stated and although I see your passion in your beliefs, it doesn't get off-track. "Dog" tends to get people fired up and talk in circles just to keep them that way.

I think what you bring to the table and most people on this forum bring to the table are priceless for myself and a lot of kids,parents, and other coaches that visit. Keep your passion high and keep sending your opinions. I love talking baseball with those that are as passionate as you.

This is my first post in a while. The hitting discussions have been lame. I monitor but don't respond. Some of the hitting comments are just wrong. I don't agree with a lot of BlueDog but that doesn't mean I haven't learned. Same with CoachB25, I've learned from him yet I don't agree with everything. Add Vance34 to the list. However, I am a better hitting instructor after knocking it around than before. Some of you are very good writers -- you can absolutely bash. However, at least make an intelligent comment about hitting when you do bash. NH go back and look at your posts, I give you an A for English and Composition, but what do you think about hitting? I don't care if you bash me, I'm big, but say something about hitting in the lonnnnngggg bashing so I can digest it.

I'm ugly, stupid, a terrible hitting instructor, but I like hitting ----- feed me.

Baseballpapa, you don't agree with me all of the time? LOL! Heck, I don't even agree with me all of the time. What I post works for us. I'd love to see others at work and, as you stated, I've learned so much just reading and then thinking about various posts. One thing I learned early on is that some posters are very good people and are willing to help or at least give you their honest opinion. That means a lot to me. Bluedog has often responded to pms etc. and so, I feel that I understand him better than some. I will say this, he has a passion and dares to challenge others belief systems. I've always said the same about Rshardteachermanlinear...whateverheisbeingcalledthisweek. Baseballpapa excellent point on the suggestion that even in the bashing, at least present some concept that contributes to thread.

Observation, recently a high school softball coached asked if he could buy lunch and sit down and discuss hitting. I think it took about 2 minutes for his eyes to go blank. He looked at me like I was from another planet. Ironically, that is the same response I'm sure I've caused to many posters. (I did get a free lunch! LOL!)

papa,

I do not need to go back and look at my posts. If you have read them you know I am proponet of the "no-stride" style of hitting that Albert Pujols uses. TRhit and I have had many discussions about it. We have had spirited disagreements, but none of the Yodaisms. I believe in drills and hard work, from soft toss right up through live hitting.

I also very strongly believe in listening to people who have actually taught players who are competeing at the levels we are talking about. They have the real world pratical experience of knowing what things work and what things don't.

I do not give much creedence to people like Yoda, who claim to teach, but will not back up their claims with any real evidence of doing so. I have tremendous respect for the people my son has worked with. These men have spent the vast majority of their lives dedicated to this sport. Men who have played professional baseball and have taught and coached players who are now in pro ball at every level as well as college ball.

As an example, when we are discussing aspects of tee work, and some yo-yo like Yoda comes on here just firing one-line insults at everyone about how everything we are saying is wrong, with absolutely no other input on the subject at all...well you will just have to pardon me if i believe such a person is just a fool.

If he has something real to contribute, then state it!

If you look at my profile, I do not claim to be any kind of expert. I have been very fortunate to be around many great baseball minds over the years. Another example, I was at the University of Maine from '78 to '82. John Winkin was the head coach. Those teams went to the College World series every year I was in College. Many of those players went on to pro ball. I used to watch them work out in the fieldhouse in the winter. Hitters, pitchers,... everyone was working on drills as well as taking live action as best one could do it indoors. Coach Winkin is still coaching and has over 1000 college victories to his credit. I think he knows more about teaching baseball than someone like Yoda.

Let me ask you, do people who do not know you or your reputation as an instructor just blindly give their kids & money to you? Or do they ask around about you and ask you about the players you have worked with?

Yoda on other hand used to have "I teach hitting". Well, where did he teach? Who has he taught? How would one get a lesson from him? These questions were asked of him many, many times. The only responses were more vague one-liners. Again pardon me, but I have openly stated the backgrounds of the people I have been involved with. Yoda will only hurl insults at the idea of working with men who have spent decades in the game.

We just had a nice give & take on hitting the outside pitch. There were differences, but no insults like Yoda hurls. I have had many discussions in the pitching forum as well.

The only people I have bashed in my time here are those like Yoda. People who do not want to discuss but just insult. Like you i can take it with no skin off my back, but when guys like Yoda ridicule a kid here who was only asking for help, to me that is inexcusable.

If you moderate here, why have you allowed this guy to do what he does? I'll take your word for it that you may have picked up something along the way with this guy, but go back and look at these posts of his and see if you can see anything that actually contributes to the discussion at hand. Try the one where he offered nothing but ridcule to the youngster, beastball4, in the thread entitled "any advice? hitting clips". Interesting that there was great help & discussion going on there until he started his tired act again. That is typical of all his input here since I joined this site.

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We just had a nice give & take on hitting the outside pitch.

And, a player reading that give and take, still wouldn't be able to hit the outside pitch.....

Here's a hint...The length of the bat has nothing to do with it......

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This is my first post in a while. The hitting discussions have been lame. I monitor but don't respond. Some of the hitting comments are just wrong.

This is an example of what has happened to the good posters......

Yoda,

For the first time you agree with me. See you can come over to the light.

But you missed the real point of what brought up the length of the bat. It was stated that you should hav eto release the top hand in order to hit that pitch. I do not believe that is the case, and as a way to show this i simply stated with the typical HS player using a 32 to 34 inch bat, you must be a long way off the plate to need to release the top hand in order to hit a strike on the outside corner.

Yoda,

so enlighten us as to how you would help a young player hit that pitch.

BLUE, good to have you back!

NH, Pujols doesn't stride? since when? Your saying his front foot doesn't move towards the pitcher? Can you describe this no stride you talk about or are you just going to state it.

NH, I know Winkin well. What in the ______ does he have to do with anything. Let him come and represent himself he is more than capabale of doing that far better than you are.

NH, why don't you enlighten us to how YOU would teach a kid to hit an outside pitch!

TELL ME, you don't consider this teaching him to hit an outside pitch.....PLEASE!

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Question....How far away from the plate would you be standing? Most HS/College guys are swinging 32" to 34" bats. With a 17" plate, and the bat handle is some distance away from your body as you swing, plate coverage should not be an issue. You would have to be an awfully long way off the plate not to be able to cover the outside corner.

I can see your point if you are talking about a pitch a full baseball or more off the plate (maybe the ump having giving it all game). I would think a pitch on the corner though you should be able to hit to RF without flailing away at it with one hand. You certainly should be able to get to contact on it with two hands.

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lol....good use of the math....quite convoluted...but good

I was looking at it in a much more simplistic fashion. Most hitters are taught to hit the inside pitch out in front and pull it. The outside pitch we allow to get deeper into the plate and take the ball to right.

Without heading to the drawing board and calculator, i would guess that you missed sometihng in your numbers. I have watched many players hit HRs to right on pitches on the outside corner.

A very simple method to verify you can hit the pitch your talking about with out releasing the top hand before contact. Use a hitting tee and a place the ball such that it is just touching the black on the outside. You will find they don't have to set up that close to the plate to hit that pitch. I have done this many times with my son and other players I have worked with.

You can at the same time verify they can get the inside pitch by moving the tee to the inside corner, but placing it out in front of the plate.

What you need to do NH is get your feelings off your shoulder. Read what BLUE writes and digest it. Do WE really care HOW he writes it. Are you THAT sensitive?

SO NH, what you beg of BLUE is something you yourself DON'T even do! If you clearly understand the swing and how elite hitters swing the bat then you could easily understand BLUE's post.

NH, your like the guy who wants to learn to be a better hitter and takes lessons from GEORGE BRETT then afterwards says, "I'll do it my way" BUT THANKS!

Its not BLUES WAY to hit nor is it anyone elses way. ITS THE RIGHT WAY!