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NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) -- Nine-year-old Jericho Scott is a good baseball player -- too good, it turns out.
The right-hander has a fastball that tops out at about 40 mph. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that the boy could not pitch any more. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, his coach said.
Officials for the three-year-old league, which has eight teams and about 100 players, said they will disband Jericho's team, redistributing its players among other squads, and offered to refund $50 sign-up fees to anyone who asks for it. They say Jericho's coach, Wilfred Vidro, has resigned.
But Vidro says he didn't quit and the team refuses to disband. Players and parents held a protest at the league's field on Saturday urging the league to let Jericho pitch.
"He's never hurt any one," Vidro said. "He's on target all the time. How can you punish a kid for being too good?"
The controversy bothers Jericho, who says he misses pitching.
"I feel sad," he said. "I feel like it's all my fault nobody could play."
Jericho's coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.
Jericho instead joined a team sponsored by Will Power Fitness. The team was 8-0 and on its way to the playoffs when Jericho was banned from pitching.
"I think it's discouraging when you're telling a 9-year-old you're too good at something," said his mother, Nicole Scott. "The whole objective in life is to find something you're good at and stick with it. I'd rather he spend all his time on the baseball field than idolizing someone standing on the street corner."
League attorney Peter Noble says the only factor in banning Jericho from the mound is his pitches are just too fast.
"He is a very skilled player, a very hard thrower," Noble said. "There are a lot of beginners. This is not a high-powered league. This is a developmental league whose main purpose is to promote the sport."
Noble acknowledged that Jericho had not beaned any batters in the co-ed league of 8- to 10-year-olds, but say parents expressed safety concerns.
"Facing that kind of speed" is frightening for beginning players, Noble said.
League officials say they first told Vidro that the boy could not pitch after a game on Aug. 13. Jericho played second base the next game on Aug. 16. But when he took the mound Wednesday, the other team walked off and a forfeit was called.
League officials say Jericho's mother became irate, threatening them and vowing to get the league shut down.
"I have never seen behavior of a parent like the behavior Jericho's mother exhibited Wednesday night," Noble said.
Scott denies threatening any one, but said she did call the police.
League officials suggested that Jericho play other positions, or pitch against older players or in a different league.
Local attorney John Williams was planning to meet with Jericho's parents Monday to discuss legal options.
"You don't have to be learned in the law to know in your heart that it's wrong," he said. "Now you have to be punished because you excel at something?"
"There are two kinds of people in this game: those who are humble and those who are about to be." Clint Hurdle
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This is not the first time this has happened.

It happened to me in Little League when I was 12. I had a late birthday, such that my 12 year old LL season is the year I turned 13 in august. At the time I was 6' 175lbs, and threw hard.

The parents did the same thing and banned me from pitching. Back then, no one seemed to care.

At 9 years of age, I am surprised they have not "moved him up" and had him play against older kids.

Be that as it may, the real tough lesson for the kids is that "life is not always fair" and that people that are suppose to make good decisions tend to screw things up.
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What a shame. This is not the first time I have heard or seen something like this but not to this extreme. When my son was 10 he was catching alot of grief from his school mates. My son would go to school and talk about his baseball AAU team. The kids were telling him he didnt play baseball and he suc*ed. He did not play in the local reg league. After catching so much grief he told me the next year when he was 11 he wanted to play in the rec league with the guys he went to school with. I asked him if he was sure because I already had watched this league. He said he was sure.

Well the first game he hit a line drive that one hopped the 3b and hit him in the chest so hard he had to go to the hospital. The coaches were called to the mound for a conference. He was intentionally walked every ab the rest of the season. He pitched one time and threw a no hitter. Actually a no contact. Later we were called and it was decided by the Board of Directors that he would not be allowed to pitch anymore. "Coach May we are afraid your son will hurt someone." My son was very upset about the whole thing. When the season was over we got a call from the league director asking us if Jeff would play on the All Star team. I guess you know what the answer was.

The bottom line is my son was not the greatest player in the world. But compared to this league I guess it seemed like he was. He never played in the rec league again because of this.

I would bet there are a lot more stories just like this one. And people wonder why so many kids moved away from rec leagues and started playing on USSSA and AAU teams.

This story takes the prize for me. How sad!
OldSlugger--that may not be an option. Something very similar happened to my son in the rec league. We begged for him to play up because we were afraid of him hurting someone. The answer was no because our league just wouldn't do that. Unfortunatley, at the first practice, he did hurt someone and ended up in right field the rest of the year. That is one of the reasons we found travel ball.
40 MPH is fast for a 9 year old? Maybe for Rec Ball.

Obviously the kid needs to play up or on a travel team. It is a difficult choice for the league. The league seems to be more oriented towards fun and learning the game. I don't see much for the stud here.

I am somewhat concerned for the safety of the lesser skilled players, too. I always cringed when infidel_son ripped a liner at someone or when a batter he faced was hit with a pitch.
The last time I coached my team was 86'd from the end-of-season championship tournament when the other coaches threatened to walk out because my players were "too good" according to the director of the league. The other guys won it all and I'm sure had cake and ice cream at the team party.

I attribute it to the Peter Principle. Each person rises to his or her own level of incompetence and remains there.
In today's society many are criticized for being too good, too rich, too smart, too successful. It's goes beyond just being envious of that person's traits or accomplishments. Instead of being recognized and elevated for being good, smart, rich, successful etc. it's almost as if that person should be cast out because they "threaten" the accomplishments of others. Many feel as if this is happening in our public schools. The dumbing down of America is no secret.

Too good? I don't think so! They should allow him to pitch, strike out the whole league and then name the ball park after him. Wink
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And people wonder why so many kids moved away from rec leagues and started playing on USSSA and AAU teams.


You are absolutely right. Something similar happened to us when we moved here, and this is just what we did. We were told by the city league director that "this is an instructional league. He doesn't need to be here." We had an opposing coach who made nasty remarks about 2B for an entire game, but it was our coach who was almost censured after that game for letting him play. And then the other teams refused to play ours in a post-season tournament. Fine. Bye. And then they whine about all the rec players being taken by travel ball.
I'm not too sure what kind of rec league these guys are playing in - but 40 MPH is not that fast.

08Son played in Little League and at the 7-8 level we used pitching machines set up on the mound rather than kid pitchers. The machines were set at 38 MPH.

At the 9-10 level, we moved to kid pitch - but I seem to recall that for batting practice we would set the machines at 45 MPH.

At the 11-12, I know that we set the machine at 55 MPH (easy to remember - it is and was the speed limit on the local highway). Prior to games against certain pitchers we would move the machines in a little closer to the hitters to emulate the faster speeds of those pitchers (since the machines only went to 55).

Now this was a very normal rec league - nothing special - just like 1000s of other little leagues around the country. The article is pretty clear that this league is not affiliated with Little League - it appears to be some kind of local one off. But the bottom line - 40 MPH is no big deal for 8-10 year olds - and banning him from the league is simply nuts.
That 40 mph stated in the article must be a type-o. That is not fast for that age. Its a decent change-up speed, but not hard for a fastball.
My kid was throwing 50 at 9, and high 50's at 10. And, he was not a dominating pitcher in the league.

I think this story falls into the category of:
This is only one side of the story or its just sensationalistic journalism.
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Observations:

- With so many other opportunities, why would a player so dominant WANT to play in a rec league?

- Why would a parent, who likely knew EXACTLY what the consequences would be keep/force a player in such a league?

- Wouldn't a parent interested in the long term development of his/her player look for more competitive opportunities?

- Woulnd't a parent interested in using his/her player to "make a point" follow this path?

- Does anyone smell politics and power struggles among parents as the real issue here?

- Is a lawsuit a resonable response to such a situation?

- Wouldn't it logically appear that there is a great deal more to this story than simply this sensational headline in a Blog?

- Are we at the point where parental grumbling about youth sports has come to lawsuits and Blogs to make political points rather than actions and REAL solutions to probelems with simple solutions?

- In the end end might this be one more, extremely high profile way to make the point that..."my kid is better than yours?"

- Looking at the posts above, Couldn't many of us have done this, with our players but rather than lawsuits and worldwide blogs chose to...simply move them to other more competitive venues?


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He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that the boy could not pitch any more. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, his coach said.

this only reinforces my feeling that we are raising a generation of wimps. Is that too harsh for all the child psychologists? We have the everybody plays,the everybody gets a trophy, dont hurt their self esteem etc etc etc and now if the other team is too good we quit.
We hear and read about youth sports molding character and sportsmanship. What does this mold?
There's been alot of comments that he should play up or move to travel. He's in an 8-10 league, and you can't tell by the picture, but how big is he? Is it right for him to have to leave his friends his age and play with/against kids who are 12, and probably almost 13, and bigger and stronger? He'd be the one with the chance of getting hurt, by everyone, not just on pitcher. What if his other skills aren't that strong? As far as travel, we don't know his family financial situation, or if the parents' jobs can support a travel schedule.

He got shafted by adults who don't like to lose.
OS44, you make very good points. There must be more to the story. I think a lawsuit is just plain silly. Play up!

In our case, we just didn't know any better. We moved from a fairly large, competitive and challenging rec league near Atlanta, where 2B always played up because of his late July birthday, to the "instructional" league here and were positively shocked at the difference in the level of play. The switch to Florida travel ball was the best thing that could have happened for him in terms of development.

The fact remains, though, that in our case, we were newbies to the area, we were looking for an opportunity for 2B to meet some friends, and we were made to feel very unwelcome in city ball because our player was more advanced than the others. I guess I'm still kind of mad about it, even 4 years later. They told us they didn't want to scare more boys into playing s****r. If they're afraid of a 40 mph pitch, maybe that's where they should be...
The 40 mph number left me scratching my head. In 1999, we formed a travel team out of players exclusively from our one Little League. We had 16 kids and all of them were capable of throwing that hard. If you couldn't hit 47 you weren't even going to get to pitch. Now that's travel ball, but those same kids were pitching in the Little League.

Is baseball up north that far behind the curve?

If so, dumbing it down won't help.

Maybe their league commissioner is Harrison Bergeron?
40 is not hard at 9. I'm guessing he is in the mid 50's, if he throws "too hard". The kids mechanics at release look very good. High elbow, good stride facing the plate.

It happens that kids are told not to throw so hard playing the infield also, because "It hurts the other kids hand when they catch it." At that point we added a travel team to the baseball activites and began to leave rec ball behind.
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A sad situation and one that has been repeated many times in many different communities. Sometimes the concern of injury for the less skilled is genuine, sometimes the concern is strictly for selfish (adult) reasons.

I coached in the local rec league for a number of years but in all honesty was never really concerned about a pitcher hitting a batter and seriously hurting him. The kids wore helmets and the first thing we taught the younger players in practice was how to turn inside on a pitch and protect the face and chest. I was always more concerned about the less skilled position player being hurt by a batted ball from a bigger stronger player so, to me, this appears to be an unfortunate situation.

As for the boy playing up, our league had to manage that very strictly as every year we had many players who wanted to play up, some that did not have the ability, because it was widely felt in our area that was the best way to develop skills was to play against the older better players. Very few parents were concerned about who won the 9-10 Bronco Championship but they did enjoy telling anyone that would listen that their 9 year old son was so good he played on a 11-12 year team.
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The 40 mph number left me scratching my head. If you couldn't hit 47 you weren't even going to get to pitch. Now that's travel ball

Is baseball up north that far behind the curve?


Our NE Ohio travel team just completed their 3rd season at 10U. A year ago at the 9u level from 46 feet, our pitchers were clocked in the low to mid 50mph range.

At the 10u from 50 feet, the same speed one season later.

Our travel league "up North" consists of about 20 community tryout-style teams, or the best from each suburb/town, so the teams consist of the better players.

This thread story is a simple case of a talented travel player stuck in a Rec league.........just play up or tryout for a travel team
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I guess we'll know the true character of the parents soon. If they do not file a law suit, then their intentions were most likely honorable. In that they wanted to let their little boy play a kids game with his friends. If they do file a law suit, then we'll know otherwise. I hope for their son's sake, if he is really that good, they think of his future in baseball before they take another step.
I have never heard of a league that has 8 year olds competing against 10's. There is a huge difference in development from 8 to 10. Most leagues put 2 age groups together (5,6) (7,8) (9,10) (11,12).

Our Rec league would not let a kid play up regardless of talent. It was an independent rec league and was extremely competitive. Every year at each age group there were several pitchers that could mow down just about every body, but as the season wore on the hitters would start to catch up.

A 40mph fastball is unlikely to hurt anyone. This is pure politics. Parents sure know how to complicate a young kids simple fun life.

Puke!
40mph is not that fast.. From the article:

"Jericho’s coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league’s administrators"

I would like to know when he declined and when was he told he could no longer pitch.
When my son was nine, he wanted to play with some of the kids from the neighborhood. He went to the first practice and when the kids he was playing catch with complained he was throwing to hard that was the end. He didn't play up but he did play in a league that met his skill level. If he had stayed it that league I myself personally would not have let him pitch. My son learned early it was more fun to compete then to dominate and he had to get better because of it.
I also spoke to a coach coming into my son's league who had 2 kids that struck everyone out in their league and wanted better competition. The next year in the competitive league they were a 500 team and probably better off for it.
This kid needs to play where the competition meets his skill level not against 8-10yr old kids that are learning the game.
the kid is playing in his town, in his league. why should he have to go anywhere? why should he have to play up? he's a kid he doesn't know where his skill level is.

if these coaches that wouldn't let their team play against him, really cared about kids they would help him and his mom find the fit.


i heard jon kruk say this, by not letting your team take the field against this boy ,your saying your team isn't good enough. that say's it all.

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