2019Dad posted:10 thumbs up to the last two posts! (I guess that means I'm all thumbs LOL)
Really enjoyed watching the game and getting to see hshuler's and wog1910's kids play. Very talented.
Who is wogs son1910 son?
TPM posted:2019Dad posted:10 thumbs up to the last two posts! (I guess that means I'm all thumbs LOL)
Really enjoyed watching the game and getting to see hshuler's and wog1910's kids play. Very talented.
Who is wogs son1910 son?
I hope that Wog doesn't mind but his son was the starting for the West squad. His son may be the biggest of all outliers with a FB that's been as high as 93 this summer and he threw 97 from the outfield last weekend.
Great kid and family that I've gotten to know since we coached against each other when our kids were twelve.
PGStaff posted:TPM, You nailed it! Young Shuler, along with most of those kids, has a very bright future. I really believe he will be one of the very best hitters in the country when he graduates from HS. The bat speed he creates is very unusual for his age. Also an absolutely great young man. It was a pleasure meeting HSHULER, what a nice guy, hope to see him again before too long.
Jerry,
Yes, they talked about his bat exit speed, I was impressed!
Children are often reflections of their parents. HSHULER befriended me this past spring. We shared a lot of good stuff over Clemsons season, as he knew DK was there as the student assistant.
Never once did he ever brag about his son. Never, and he has a lot to brag about, but most parents with such talented players don't have to talk about it.
Speaking of firsts, DK attended the tournament this weekend in Ft Myers. He is now the pitching coach at Florida Southern College. D2 recruiting is a lot different than D2 or D3, but it was his chance to come back to Florida to reestablish his roots. He will be in Jupiter next month.
Where can I find a link to the Rosters for the 14u All Star game that was just played?
Goblue33 posted:Where can I find a link to the Rosters for the 14u All Star game that was just played?
Congrats to all the players and families that were invited to this event. All worthy. I will say that it's a great preview of what's to come for this class and I'd encourage all of them to continue to grind to play in the PGAAC when they're seniors. For those 14u parents of kids that weren't invited, don't fret. The grind between 14u and 17u is significant and you'll see a lot of new faces of kids you've never heard of today when that time rolls around. The landscape will look quite different.
As for Sutton, style is always a personal preference. I'm one who can hardly listen to any of the SportsCenter anchor's any longer because they all sound so trite, attempting to be "hip" with every comment, so I get that many won't like Sutton, just because. That said, I will say that I've personally watched him behind the scenes working the USA Baseball NHSI, PG National, USA Tournament of Stars and the PG All American Classic, and that nobody works harder than him in preparation of knowledge of the players and history of these events. Probably too hard as he seems to have more information to divulge than time in which to do it. He is moving non-stop days, weeks and months before a broadcast to spend time with the players, coaches and families in preparation of his air time. He certainly doesn't mail it in because it's a youth event. The guy's a worker and consummate professional.
Thanks for the link. I have a rising youth player but being recognized for a team like this is only a few years away and I have learned over the years that these type of experiences, even if sometimes money grabs (not saying PG is a money grab at all) leads to confidence, recognition and poise when being evaluated. In addition to that my kid loves attending special events like this.
As the parent of a player playing out of the Great Lakes/Ohio Valle (very under-represented in most events which I understand) how do you get on the radar for the 14u team? Is it just a matter of your team playing in PG events? If his team is not doing PG at 12, 13 and 14 and he wants to get on the PG radar should we find a southern team to play with once or twice a year at a PG event?
thanks all
Is the game available for download or replay?
MidAtlanticDad posted:Is the game available for download or replay?
I haven't confirmed this but I heard that it will re-air on Fox Sport Network this Thursday night.
Goblue33 posted:Thanks for the link. I have a rising youth player but being recognized for a team like this is only a few years away and I have learned over the years that these type of experiences, even if sometimes money grabs (not saying PG is a money grab at all) leads to confidence, recognition and poise when being evaluated. In addition to that my kid loves attending special events like this.
As the parent of a player playing out of the Great Lakes/Ohio Valle (very under-represented in most events which I understand) how do you get on the radar for the 14u team? Is it just a matter of your team playing in PG events? If his team is not doing PG at 12, 13 and 14 and he wants to get on the PG radar should we find a southern team to play with once or twice a year at a PG event?
thanks all
A lot of these types of events are money grubbing but this wasn't.
I hope that Jerry doesn't mind me sharing this but all expenses except travel was handled by Perfect Game. The hotel the kids stayed in wasn't cheap and parents received a special rate. The kids also got a ton of "schwag."
The first photo below shows what the kids got when they arrived at the hotel. The second photo showed what was in their locker when they arrived at the park on Saturday.
My kid was till taking about the experience last night and he's the prince of one word answers and under communication at times. He not one to express a lot of excitement but this meant a lot to him.
Lastly, the kids who were invited had to play in at least one PG event this spring/summer. FYI, the MVP of the game was a Midwesterner. I believe he's from Iowa.
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Oh, H. It's "Swag." 
. But, yeah. That's super sweet. That stuff would dress my kid for the rest of the fall.
LoL - I was going the informal route.
schwag
SHwaɡ/
noun informal
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products given away free, typically for promotional purposes.
"I'll be showing you the best of the schwag I get my hands on each day"
Well...apparently you are hipper than me. I thought it was "Swag" not "Schwag." This won't be the first time that I have been behind on these things.
MidAtlanticDad posted:Is the game available for download or replay?
Check the FoxSports Go app to see if they provide replays.
Goblue33 posted:Thanks for the link. I have a rising youth player but being recognized for a team like this is only a few years away and I have learned over the years that these type of experiences, even if sometimes money grabs (not saying PG is a money grab at all) leads to confidence, recognition and poise when being evaluated. In addition to that my kid loves attending special events like this.
As the parent of a player playing out of the Great Lakes/Ohio Valle (very under-represented in most events which I understand) how do you get on the radar for the 14u team? Is it just a matter of your team playing in PG events? If his team is not doing PG at 12, 13 and 14 and he wants to get on the PG radar should we find a southern team to play with once or twice a year at a PG event?
thanks all
These are the elite of the elite. These are kids the pro scouts and college coaches are already aware of. Any competitive place your son plays probably has associate scouts. Top coaches and umpires are often associate scouts. They pass on the word. While PG would be one place to be noticed for a PG event these kids stand out anywhere. I wouldn't recommend paying to participate in PG events before 14u just to get in this game. You have to believe your son is one of the top players in his age group in the country. A lot of kids will go major D1 and not be invited to play in this game.
Teaching Elder posted:Oh, H. It's "Swag."
This made me laugh. When my daughter was in high school I could Rip Van Winkle, wake up and know what season it is. All I had to do is look at what sweats my daughter was wearing.
When she came down the stairs for the prom I was wondering if it was my daughter. I hardly saw her out of sweats and a ponytail for four years.
Most all of the kids that played in this game have never paid Perfect Game a dime. Most have played in a Perfect Game tournament. Indirectly it could be said they paid to play for the team that paid an entry fee, but that happens with other teams that don't play in PG events.
I'm sure some of these kids were known by some college coaches and maybe a MLB scout or two. But we spend more time than anyone looking for the best players, and most of these kids we didn't know about until we saw them play. They are 14 years old! I'm fairly certain there are several other top 14u players in the country that weren't at this event because we simply didn't know who they are.
One thing for sure is the players that were in this game will now be known by college coaches coast to coast and without attending any camps. It will be fun to follow them over the next few years and see how things turn out.
I'm sure that no one that was there will call this a money grab. Actually it was the complete opposite. I think people would be amazed at how much things like this cost and all the revenue goes to charity. Also the players raised additional money on their own for the children's hospital. Sometimes people give rather than take.
Jerry, just an ignorant follow up question, if that's okay: when the announcer says these kids are committed to one school or another, what does that mean? Both parties are in agreement? X school wants Y kid and vice versa?
smokeminside posted:Jerry, just an ignorant follow up question, if that's okay: when the announcer says these kids are committed to one school or another, what does that mean? Both parties are in agreement? X school wants Y kid and vice versa?
It's a non binding verball agreement. In college baseball verbals are usually honored. However, if a kid doesn't continue to develop the coach may tell the kid, "We will honor our verbal. But I question if you will get on the field."
How do you think a kid reacts to that? In the meantime he's pulled himself off the available market for three years. By the time he's scrambling for a place to play most D1 recruiting for their class is done. He ends up at a JuCo.
This wont happen to most of these kids if any at all. But it does happen to recruits.
Seven of the players have committed to colleges. Colleges are all national powers. Several others have offers. Things should work out well for this group.
RJM posted:smokeminside posted:Jerry, just an ignorant follow up question, if that's okay: when the announcer says these kids are committed to one school or another, what does that mean? Both parties are in agreement? X school wants Y kid and vice versa?
It's a non binding verball agreement. In college baseball verbals are usually honored. However, if a kid doesn't continue to develop the coach may tell the kid, "We will honor our verbal. But I question if you will get on the field."
How do you think a kid reacts to that? In the meantime he's pulled himself off the available market for three years. By the time he's scrambling for a place to play most D1 recruiting for their class is done. He ends up at a JuCo.
This wont happen to most of these kids if any at all. But it does happen to recruits.
And for this group of kids it's worth mentioning that their commitment to the school does not mean they have to turn down MLB draft opportunities.
I'm sure these kids are talented, but any college coach committing to a 14-year-old needs his head examined. All you're doing is tying up your budget so that you can't sign someone else who surfaces later, and you're committing before you really know what kind of a person this kid will be by the time he gets to your campus. The danger of giving a young kid a big, fat head is huge. Plus, I can't tell you how many 14u phenoms I've seen who turn out to have just been early maturers, not necessarily the leaders of the pack 3-4 years later.
And any 14u guy truly good enough to get that commitment can afford to wait until he grows up a bit and knows better what he will want most out of his college experience.
Midlo Dad posted:I'm sure these kids are talented, but any college coach committing to a 14-year-old needs his head examined.
Yeah, I don't know about that. Several of those kids are already Sophomores in HS. Many of them will be skipping college and going straight to the pros anyways. There were 40 or so players at that event. Player #30 through 40, yeah maybe there is some inherent risk in holding a spot for them, but the risk is small. The verbal commitment can be backed out of.
For the Top 10-15 players at that event it is a no brainer from the standpoint of a college coach. From the perspective of a coach I would absolutely advise getting as many of those players as early as possible. From the standpoint of the player I would advise staying away from early commitments
Midlo Dad posted:I'm sure these kids are talented, but any college coach committing to a 14-year-old needs his head examined. All you're doing is tying up your budget so that you can't sign someone else who surfaces later, and you're committing before you really know what kind of a person this kid will be by the time he gets to your campus. The danger of giving a young kid a big, fat head is huge. Plus, I can't tell you how many 14u phenoms I've seen who turn out to have just been early maturers, not necessarily the leaders of the pack 3-4 years later.
And any 14u guy truly good enough to get that commitment can afford to wait until he grows up a bit and knows better what he will want most out of his college experience.
As a dad of a freshmen who has an offer, I have made it clear that my kid is nowhere near ready to commit. I also know a few of the dads of kids who have offers and a big, fat head is not how I would describe them. They are good, humble, hard working kids! The ones that I know personally have signed with their 'dream schools.' There is actually a video of one of the kids who was interviewed at 11 and he said that his dream was and has always been to play for the school he just committed to.
One of the kids who has committed is a sub 6.5 60 and is 90 from the outfield so even if his measurables don't improve much he shoukd be okay. Obviously there is more to baseball than measurables but I hope you get my point.
Another kid who hasn't committed but has offers has bumped 93mph so again he should be fine even is he doesn't gain any more velo.
My point is that each situation is different and what I have learned is that every parent will do what they think is best for their kid. Even if it turns out to be a bad decision, I would think that they had the very best intentions for their kid when the decision was made. Someone could easily wait until there junior year and still make a bad decision with the right intentions.
3and2Fastball posted:Midlo Dad posted:I'm sure these kids are talented, but any college coach committing to a 14-year-old needs his head examined.
Yeah, I don't know about that. Several of those kids are already Sophomores in HS. Many of them will be skipping college and going straight to the pros anyways. There were 40 or so players at that event. Player #30 through 40, yeah maybe there is some inherent risk in holding a spot for them, but the risk is small. The verbal commitment can be backed out of.
For the Top 10-15 players at that event it is a no brainer from the standpoint of a college coach. From the perspective of a coach I would absolutely advise getting as many of those players as early as possible. From the standpoint of the player I would advise staying away from early commitments
Yes, it's important to note that many of those kids could never develop any farther than they are right now (extremely unlikely) and still be at the talent level to be a D1 player.
Well, if a 14u kid is now a sophomore, I suppose at least he must be a strong student, because he's a year ahead of his age group.
As to being sure what they want, check back with me in 3 years and let me know if that never changed over that whole time. I know when you're looking at just one kid, it can seem solid. When you've seen hundreds of kids go through this process, you get a broader perspective.
And let me know what good it does a major program to tie up huge portions of its budget on guys who're going to sign pro come July 2020, after all the other available players in that class have committed elsewhere.
Where this is all heading is, the meaning of "commitment" is going to erode, because we're going to see more and more players, and more and more programs, change their minds in the growing time windows involved. Heck, the kids can't even count on the college coaches still being where they are now, and the next guy may or may not honor his predecessor's promises.
hshuler posted:they are good, humble, hard working kids!
Incredibly hard working kids. It is impossible to become that good at Baseball without thousands of hours of pure hard work
Midlo Dad posted:Well, if a 14u kid is now a sophomore, I suppose at least he must be a strong student, because he's a year ahead of his age group.
As to being sure what they want, check back with me in 3 years and let me know if that never changed over that whole time. I know when you're looking at just one kid, it can seem solid. When you've seen hundreds of kids go through this process, you get a broader perspective.
And let me know what good it does a major program to tie up huge portions of its budget on guys who're going to sign pro come July 2020, after all the other available players in that class have committed elsewhere.
Where this is all heading is, the meaning of "commitment" is going to erode, because we're going to see more and more players, and more and more programs, change their minds in the growing time windows involved. Heck, the kids can't even count on the college coaches still being where they are now, and the next guy may or may not honor his predecessor's promises.
Just a point of clarification -- it was a 14U game, but anyone with a May - August birthday was already 15 when the game occurred. So the 2019s who are 15 are not a year ahead of their age group. OTOH, if there was a 2019 in the game who is still 14, then, yes, he is ahead.
Midlo Dad posted:Well, if a 14u kid is now a sophomore, I suppose at least he must be a strong student, because he's a year ahead of his age group.
As to being sure what they want, check back with me in 3 years and let me know if that never changed over that whole time. I know when you're looking at just one kid, it can seem solid. When you've seen hundreds of kids go through this process, you get a broader perspective.
And let me know what good it does a major program to tie up huge portions of its budget on guys who're going to sign pro come July 2020, after all the other available players in that class have committed elsewhere.
Where this is all heading is, the meaning of "commitment" is going to erode, because we're going to see more and more players, and more and more programs, change their minds in the growing time windows involved. Heck, the kids can't even count on the college coaches still being where they are now, and the next guy may or may not honor his predecessor's promises.
You make some good points but I am simply saying that each situation is different. Sometimes when a kid has a 'dream school' it usually doesn't matter who the coach is, they just want to play for that school....but your point is still a good one.
Also, most of the kids who played in the event have turned 15 (after May 1st as required). Five of the participants were sophomores and 35 were freshmen and seven of the 40 have committed.
I agree that a lot can change in three years so you make another good point. Right now, my son would like to play football and baseball in college, that could possibly change. He doesn't yet know what he wants to major in, he's never been on an official or unofficial visit, and he kinda-sorta has shortlist of schools (but really doesn't) at this point so that's why I say he's not close to being ready. As a parent, I am not in rush but that could change too.
Regarding schools tying up huge portions of their budget, I think we all know that schools will over-offer to account for that. It happens in football too.
Lastly regarding where early commitments is heading, you're probably right on players and programs changing there minds but NOTHING is 'solid' until the dotted line is signed.
It has been said many time these early commitments usually benefit the college much more than the player. Many college programs have offered ore than the budget allows already and recruiting continues on.
I'm not for or against early commitments. I just think people need to be educated before they commit.
Recruiting is and always will be based on how talented a player is and if he is expected to get though admissions. So if player has what recruiters want at age 14 it is very rare. The college coach is looking for the best at 14 and projecting he will be one of the best at age 18-19. If the college recruiters are correct everything is likely to workout well. If the player does not progress as expected, things can get ugly.
Truth is there are very few, almost none, 14 year olds that could contribute to a power college at 14. So pretty much everything is about predicting the future. Every year after that, it becomes a bit easier to predict the future. But if one of the best 14 year old players goes on and becomes one of the best 16 year old players, he will be in big demand by college coaches everywhere. So most players end up at the level they are supposed to be at. The very best always have a ton of choices.
For the college recruiter it becomes a necessity to get the most talented young kids to commit to their program. If they don't, chances are someone else will get them to commit. It's not that big of a risk when you have three or four years to reevaluate and adjust.
For the player he is always best off for future development if he is at the right school for his current talent. DI reserves are seldom MLB draft picks! Players need to know that if they end up being one of the best, they will always get recruiters excited. If for any reason they don't end up being one of the best, they are still more likely to find the right situation for college. Many develop greatly during their college careers, but the chances for development at a school that no longer wants you is just about zero. Hard to develop if you're not playing.
So it's great that the big powerhouse wants you to commit at age 14. But only if they want you just as bad when you are 18.
My advice to young kids that have made commitments... This is not the time to be satisfied, it is time to work harder yet, so you might reach expectations. Really the same thing holds true for all young players. Never allow satisfaction or accomplishments to stop you. Satisfaction is a baseball players worst enemy! Always strive to reach your full potential. If you do that, you will be very successful because you will never truly know what your full potential really is. You will never reach it, it is an unknown, but trying to reach it will pay off big time!