BB4life...
Wo Wo Wo....THE QUOTE...was not a personal attack on anyone...just an observation. If my observation offened you, then I apologize.
I still fail to see how your analagy relates to baseball. Yes, the situation you described is unethical...but the situation is not even remotely the same. Nor is it realted to baseball.
If a field player tells a runner that there is 1 out and there is 2...give me a break....you can have blinders on if you want...but its part of the game.
One more thing...how would the coach of the opposing team be able to say anything to a runner? Did he yell the outs from the dugout? Why would he yell the wrong outs with the possibility of confusing his own players. What did the coaches on the field tell their runners? Help me understand as the last time i played or coached the game the coaches on the field were the runners coaches. Just Curious!
Again..
"you have to have played the game at the next level to understand the game at the next level"
No Offense (yes sarcasm)
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"The price of victory is high, but so are the rewards!" - PAUL BEAR BRYANT
bb4life,
I don't view it as an insult. It is a fact...if you played the game at a high level, you would understand it. Since you obviously didn't, you tend to view it through rose colored glasses. You can see a HUGE difference of opinions from those who played and those who didn't.
How is that insulting?
I don't view it as an insult. It is a fact...if you played the game at a high level, you would understand it. Since you obviously didn't, you tend to view it through rose colored glasses. You can see a HUGE difference of opinions from those who played and those who didn't.
How is that insulting?
tf&red you insinuting you played majorleague. where and when. lay it out on the table.
To lighten the mood here a bit, one of my favorite baseball stories from games I coached:
My son, as an 11 year old, tagged a kid out with the "hidden ball trick" in Little League, where no leads are allowed. When I asked why the kid stepped off the bag, he said "I told him I dare you to step off".
I found it funny, not unethical, immoral, illegal, or even despicable, just funny.
I didn't play major league or even college ball, but I know in every sport/business, there are "unwritten rules" that you just pick up and learn by being there a while. I assume these guys, having been there, know what many of us wouldn't. It would seem silly to those of us not lucky enough to have gotten to those levels that a guy wouldn't know the number of outs, especially with scoreboards the size of the Titanic, but if that's one of the "unwritten rules" so be it. Every sport and every business has them. (Doctors never say "whoops", lawyers never plead the Statute of Limitations when there's no such defense to be made, Dentists don't work on Fridays, etc. etc.) (apologies to you dentists...
My son, as an 11 year old, tagged a kid out with the "hidden ball trick" in Little League, where no leads are allowed. When I asked why the kid stepped off the bag, he said "I told him I dare you to step off".
I found it funny, not unethical, immoral, illegal, or even despicable, just funny.
I didn't play major league or even college ball, but I know in every sport/business, there are "unwritten rules" that you just pick up and learn by being there a while. I assume these guys, having been there, know what many of us wouldn't. It would seem silly to those of us not lucky enough to have gotten to those levels that a guy wouldn't know the number of outs, especially with scoreboards the size of the Titanic, but if that's one of the "unwritten rules" so be it. Every sport and every business has them. (Doctors never say "whoops", lawyers never plead the Statute of Limitations when there's no such defense to be made, Dentists don't work on Fridays, etc. etc.) (apologies to you dentists...
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Originally posted by hokieone:
...Doctors never say "whoops"...
That is the best one!
What the L,
I never insinuated I played MLB.
I was sure planning on staying away from this one. But I've had a lot of experience with what some think is "cheating" in baseball.
While coaching in college I had a player go to the AD and told him I was teaching the team how to cheat. This was after a team meeting where we discussed common place baseball situations and strategy. The Athletic Director and I had a good laugh about it, but it bothered me to think that a college age player considered what we wanted to do was "cheating".
Because of that one instance, I decided to explain to all new players what we considered "cheating" and what we considered plain old baseball. We would go over the many things and ask players... Now, "do you consider that cheating"? we'd get some very interesting discussions going. Actually came up with a few original and legal ways to win games.
In the end, while recruiting I put on our player questionnaires a couple extra questions. One question was, Would you cheat to win a baseball game? Most players would answer NO. Some would answer YES. One player put down the following. I wouldn't even want to play on the same team with someone who wouldn't cheat to win. I successfully recruited that kid and he became an all american and played in the Big Leagues.
I guess the point was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread. There is the excepted "cheating" in the game of baseball. Is it OK to fake bunt and get the barrell of the bat in the catchers eyes so that your team mate has a better chance to steal second base? Or is that cheating? To each his own, I guess, but a well executed fake bunt can help win games.
The problem is only with the word "cheating". It sounds bad and usually is in most cases. Cheating at cards got people shot in the old days. Cheating on a test can get a student expelled. Cheating on your spouse can ruin a marriage. Cheating on your taxes can land you in jail. If a runner is scoring from 2B on a basehit to RF and my catcher picks up the bat that is laying on the 3B line, I think our catcher is cheating us! Others might think it's just common curtesy. I want the runner to go around that bat and I know he will. I've known catchers who will conveniently toss their mask in just the right spot on the line, on this type play. Is it cheating?
Baseball is all about class. Throwing a fake tag for no benefit is classless. If you can decoy a runner into sliding so he can't gain the extra base your just playing baseball. Maybe the most facinating thing about baseball is the games players play. To win or even succeed to your full potential, you have to understand how the game is played. If you can't live with it, you'll have to watch your opponents beat you, because of it. Because it's done every day at the highest levels.
While coaching in college I had a player go to the AD and told him I was teaching the team how to cheat. This was after a team meeting where we discussed common place baseball situations and strategy. The Athletic Director and I had a good laugh about it, but it bothered me to think that a college age player considered what we wanted to do was "cheating".
Because of that one instance, I decided to explain to all new players what we considered "cheating" and what we considered plain old baseball. We would go over the many things and ask players... Now, "do you consider that cheating"? we'd get some very interesting discussions going. Actually came up with a few original and legal ways to win games.
In the end, while recruiting I put on our player questionnaires a couple extra questions. One question was, Would you cheat to win a baseball game? Most players would answer NO. Some would answer YES. One player put down the following. I wouldn't even want to play on the same team with someone who wouldn't cheat to win. I successfully recruited that kid and he became an all american and played in the Big Leagues.
I guess the point was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread. There is the excepted "cheating" in the game of baseball. Is it OK to fake bunt and get the barrell of the bat in the catchers eyes so that your team mate has a better chance to steal second base? Or is that cheating? To each his own, I guess, but a well executed fake bunt can help win games.
The problem is only with the word "cheating". It sounds bad and usually is in most cases. Cheating at cards got people shot in the old days. Cheating on a test can get a student expelled. Cheating on your spouse can ruin a marriage. Cheating on your taxes can land you in jail. If a runner is scoring from 2B on a basehit to RF and my catcher picks up the bat that is laying on the 3B line, I think our catcher is cheating us! Others might think it's just common curtesy. I want the runner to go around that bat and I know he will. I've known catchers who will conveniently toss their mask in just the right spot on the line, on this type play. Is it cheating?
Baseball is all about class. Throwing a fake tag for no benefit is classless. If you can decoy a runner into sliding so he can't gain the extra base your just playing baseball. Maybe the most facinating thing about baseball is the games players play. To win or even succeed to your full potential, you have to understand how the game is played. If you can't live with it, you'll have to watch your opponents beat you, because of it. Because it's done every day at the highest levels.
PG, that was a very good speech. And right on the money.
This is what I'm talking about
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