quote:stuff a sock in it.
Good morning....brothers.....
Good morning....brothers.....
Good morning....brothers.....
quote:but those who don't agree and thus don't wrap the bat won't get the sweet spot over the spine.
Draw a vertical line through the batter bisecting him and on top of his spine. At toe touch when the shoulders load back and the hands c-ock- then the 3 inch sweet spot will be behind him and in line with the spine in the vast majority.
The statement has exceptions but as a general statement it is true and can be tested at www.youthbaseballcoaching.com
Again..if you get there with a bad shoulder turn and a compensating break down of the forearm bat angle then that is the definition of wrapping. Right it down as fact
I have images showing this observation on DVD dated three years back.
It is not JUST the location but how you got to the location
Back to the issue and by my definition that kid was wrapped. His lead elbow had to almost barr to get behind his belly button, his shoulders did not load( turn) and his hands over cocked....a bad compensation that will create loss of power without any doubt. Suboptimal kinetic chaining every time.
He could have kept a bent lead elbow, and a 90 degree wrist to forearm angle if he had turned his shoulders back and had a shorter radius swing and a triple pendulum swing
Maybe a lazy batting cage swing that means nothing for him or maybe he needs to see that on film.If I paid the money he would see it
quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
Infopimp,
Why do your comments always shed more heat than light? Try speaking clearly, in plain English, and next time you feel the urge to condescend or insult, stuff a sock in it.
Midlo,
I laughed my *** off when I read this. That is about as accurate and to the point a paragraph I have ever read here. LOL
Infopimp's (aka "so many ids now I cant even remember") - posts are almost always throwing off major heat - in the darkness. It has been years of this "stuff" - at least he is consistent. LOL
quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
Above I tried to get you to persuade me to your view, and what you wrote is about as clear as mud. I came away thinking that I would never let a guy like you coach my son. You would start by confusing the heck out of him, then you would start verbally abusing him. I guess the internet is your last refuge.
You can only see what you're capable of seeing. Has never been more true that now.
When you get a little further down your journey you'll understand what I wrote.
Until then, keep trying and erring. That really is the main way one learns.
As you can see from the clips I posted, sweet spot in line with the spine has little to do with anything. More misinformation from buster. That's what he's known for. He sold out to a theory that is far from accurate. Invented some equipment to sell. Invested some money. Now has to get his money back. And because of that he continues to sell stuff proven to be wrong.
FACT.
Midlo Dad, you are arguing with someone who you can learn quite alot from about the hitting technique of a high level swing......
Infopimp is offering to help you understand what you don't currently know about MLB hitting technique....There is so much you can learn from him if you would just listen....
You are falling into a trap of of listening to others who agree with you.....That's not the way to learn when your current hitting beliefs are flawed.....Which they are.....
Infopimp got it right critiquing the swing in this thread.....
You, Midlo Dad, on the other hand, got it absolutely wrong.....Doesn't this tell you how flawed your current hitting beliefs are?...
Infopimp is offering to help you understand what you don't currently know about MLB hitting technique....There is so much you can learn from him if you would just listen....
You are falling into a trap of of listening to others who agree with you.....That's not the way to learn when your current hitting beliefs are flawed.....Which they are.....
Infopimp got it right critiquing the swing in this thread.....
You, Midlo Dad, on the other hand, got it absolutely wrong.....Doesn't this tell you how flawed your current hitting beliefs are?...
I will agree that Upton is a great talent and that I have to wipe egg off my face for trying to nitpick his swing. Though neither you nor Info has yet answered my very fundamental question: Do you have to have Upton family genes (lightning reflexes) to pull this off, or can anyone learn it?
For example, Julio Franco has had an unbelievable run of success with a hitting technique that no one I know would teach to a young hitter. It works for Julio, but would it work for the average high school varsity player?
Again, all I ask you two guys is to explain yourselves in plain English and lay off the condescension and insults. It appears that neither of you are capable of doing this. From now on, any time either of you weigh in on a thread, I'm out.
For example, Julio Franco has had an unbelievable run of success with a hitting technique that no one I know would teach to a young hitter. It works for Julio, but would it work for the average high school varsity player?
Again, all I ask you two guys is to explain yourselves in plain English and lay off the condescension and insults. It appears that neither of you are capable of doing this. From now on, any time either of you weigh in on a thread, I'm out.
PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF OUR ONGOING SOAP OPERA - "HOW THE KNOB TURNS"
(or NOT, maybe better to just ignore as this is already obvious to some but said using recent internet hitting lingo, or will excessively threaten the belief system of others).
For oaffie/infopimp:
Thanks for posting the clips of Pujols and Benyi.
I would recommend you and your fellow N-Ymancult/Englishbey groupies/Sherriff/posse take a long hard look at these two players and notice the important similarities and differences.
Pujols has, of course,the highest level gold standard type swing. An important part of this is the high level mlb mechanical pattern he displays.
Benyi also has the same pattern but in a less efficent form with a significant amount of bat drag/wrap.
The many players you show who result from the PCR (posture-connection-rotation) school of N-Yman and Steve "the sherriff" Englishbey all have a very different "spin" type patern where momentum is not efficiently/sequentially/segmentally transferred (whipped) and transformed into quick bathead acceleration.
The high level pattern is capable of optimal quickness with the desirable/necessary "early batspeed" and "late adjustability" . Benyi does not have nearly the same ability to wait on the ball and then kill it like Pujols, but she has some degree of this.
The PCR students, regardless of how they keep trying to figure out how to "turn the knob" will NEVER get "early batspeed"/"late adjustability". That MAY be fine for the super hot bat technology of women's fastpitch, but is far less likely to suffice in high school/college metal bat baseball. It will not work for the pro/woodbat (-3 drop and small sweetspot) situation.
You need to look at clips for a long time until you can "see the difference".
Mankin explains things very well from his perspective of objectively watching how the bat moves through space, then deriving a model based on the forces that are applied to the bat through the hands to best explain what is seen.
His findings show that the high level/Pujols type requires: 1- no disconnection from body rotation before contact (calls this maintaining CHP) AND 2 - no bat drag at launch (which requires application of torque at the handle to prevent "bat drag").
"wrapping the bat" (among other things) WILL prevent the necessary torquing of the handle. This will degrade early batspeed and late adjustability.
Benyi and PUjols are both high level, BUT Pujols has the ARM ACTION (arms turning knob BEFORE shoulders are moving) necessary to prevent drag. Benyi drags the bat because she has a passive top hand, and a front side/bottom hand pull alone is NOT ENOUGH to eliminate "drag". A PUSHING/DOMINANT top hand is worse (disonnects/earlier interruption of load), BUT an appropriately active/assisting top hand is necessary for the best swing pattern.
Mankin describes the difference well in this recent summary explaining how mechanical problems are related to "no power to oppo field" AND "excessive pull hitting" problems.
http://www.batspeed.com/messageboard/29523.html
As Jack points out,these problems result more from mechanical inefficiency/bathead drag degrading bathead acceleration (quickness) and not just from "timing" problems. The high points of the post:
---------from batspeed-------------
>>> Coach Jack,
I seem to be having trouble hitting to the opposite field with power. I can pull the ball and hit with power, but not to the opposite field.
>>> what can you do to correct a hitter from pulling the ball.
>>> My son had surgery on his glenoid labrum two years ago. For the last year he has been pulling the ball to his dominate side (he's a lefty).
Jack Mankin replies:
To pull a ball just means the bat-head is out in front of the hands at contact. If the batters is pulling the ball foul too often, we normally think of it as a timing issue and advise the batter to let the ball get in deeper before initiating the swing.
However, this advice does not always work because many times it is not solely a timing problem. Much of the problem is often rooted in the batter’s swing mechanics generating bat speed too late in the swing. – I will place below a post from the Archives I wrote on this topic that might help you correct her problem:
I have seen the problem you describe in the swing of many young hitters. Most of their best hit balls are pulled foul and keep a wary third base coach watching him instead of the runners. One of the Dads of a recent Swing Review I analyzed, stated that if the foul-line was just swung around another 30 degrees, his son would have hit over 600 and led the league in home runs. – His son was right-handed
Since we can’t swing the foul lines around 30 degrees, the batter must develop mechanics that accelerate the bat-head 30 degrees farther back in the swing. To accomplish this, I have found that working with a heavy bag to be most helpful. I have the batter move forward in the box so that at “foot plant,” the lead-knee is even with the bag. From this position, the bat will be about perpendicular (hitting straightaway) to the flight of the ball as contact with the bag is made.
I explain to the batter that the bat is in contact with the ball for only 1/2000 seconds and the bat only moves forward during contact about ¾ inch. Therefore, it is pointless to continue applying force to the bat after contact. It is just wasted energy that should have been used to accelerate the bat-head farther back in their swing. By contact, the batter should have expended all his or her energy, and allow momentum of the bat to pull the arms through the follow-through – if the bag was not there
The bat-head travels about 180 degrees from the launch position around to contact – about 90 degrees to the lag position and then another 90 degrees on to contact (perpendicular). When the batter extends the hands during initiation, he accelerates the knob but the bat-head just slides over to the lag position and trails behind the hands. There is no way a batter can attain good bat speed with a static bat at the lag position.
In order for a batter to attain maximum bat speed earlier in the swing, his mechanics must accelerate the bat-head around the entire swing plane (180 degrees). This means that from his launch position, he must first accelerate the bat-head rearward to (and through) the lag position and then around to contact.
It may be helpful to understand what I am talking about by studying a rear view of this Bonds clip - http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Bonds01.mpeg . Note how his mechanics first accelerates the bat-head rearward to and through the lag position before he directs his energy toward the ball.
Jack Mankin
------------------
See especially near end:
"In order for a batter to attain maximum bat speed earlier in the swing, his mechanics must accelerate the bat-head around the entire swing plane (180 degrees). This means that from his launch position, he must first accelerate the bat-head rearward to (and through) the lag position and then around to contact."
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More for oaffie:
An actual player will tend to think more in terms of what the body is doing rather than how the bat is moving. I find it useful to understand the sequence of joint motions required to prevent the "drag" as in the Benyi swing and get closer to the optimal Pujols pattern. Just stayig inside the arc isn't going to be enough. Good arm action is required for this. In any case, Benyi an excessive degree of drag defined here by Jack:
"...she accelerates the knob but the bat-head just slides over to the lag position and trails behind the hands. There is no way a batter can attain good bat speed with a static bat at the lag position. "
In your assessment of "blur",you need to be able to see how the bat is being dragged by Benyi as compared to Pujols and how this degrades the entire swing.The bats is not just turning as with Pujols. It is dragging. It drags MORE because it is wrapped to start with. The back elbow moves down ("slotting", done RIGHT, is a good and necessary thing) BUT the bat does not move right away.
One way to check for signs of efficient segmental whipping of the entire swing is by looking at the back foot.
Pujols' back foot shows better heel leading toe (non bugsquish) action as it comes up (better weight shift/synch and better coil/hands staying back better) AND then he later shows back toe reactive drag before contact. These sequential actions confirm his body is whipping momnetum much more segmentally (much more efficient kinetic link) Than Benyi whose foot just comes up and turns.
There are many other landmarks to see once you understand the highest level pattern (Pujols) and how it is most often slightly degraded by bat drag (Benyi - high level BUT loses "earliness" of acceleration and "lateness" of adjustability).
All the *****/Englishbey/Sherriff/posse products are getting quickness BUT the trajectory of the bat shows "late batspeed" and they are forced to "adjust early" (set "posture" WAY before good location recognition).They are in a very different "spin" pattern where the body turns together and deceleration is avoided by not spreading out the knees so the en bloc legs/hips/torso can spin faster while at the same time preventing disconnection by emphasis on pull/hook of front arm/bottom hand and passive back arm.
The kid will be trapped in this pattern by:
setting posture early,
suppression of arm action,
turning back hip into front
keeping front foot closed
overemphasis on middle/one move,etc etc
You need to look at video with an open mind to see how the bat is moving differently and how the way the body moves relates to this.
The "late batspeed"/early adjustment/metal bat (light/bigger sweespot extending more toward handle) swing MAY be better than a horribly disconnected/reaccelerated one, BUT it is not going to give you "early batspeed and "late adjustability" no matter how much you try in vain to "remove slop" and improve "how the knob turns".
Spin vs whip/drag vs whip without drag.
PCR vs Benyi vs Pujols.
Keep on looking Oaffie.
(or NOT, maybe better to just ignore as this is already obvious to some but said using recent internet hitting lingo, or will excessively threaten the belief system of others).
For oaffie/infopimp:
Thanks for posting the clips of Pujols and Benyi.
I would recommend you and your fellow N-Ymancult/Englishbey groupies/Sherriff/posse take a long hard look at these two players and notice the important similarities and differences.
Pujols has, of course,the highest level gold standard type swing. An important part of this is the high level mlb mechanical pattern he displays.
Benyi also has the same pattern but in a less efficent form with a significant amount of bat drag/wrap.
The many players you show who result from the PCR (posture-connection-rotation) school of N-Yman and Steve "the sherriff" Englishbey all have a very different "spin" type patern where momentum is not efficiently/sequentially/segmentally transferred (whipped) and transformed into quick bathead acceleration.
The high level pattern is capable of optimal quickness with the desirable/necessary "early batspeed" and "late adjustability" . Benyi does not have nearly the same ability to wait on the ball and then kill it like Pujols, but she has some degree of this.
The PCR students, regardless of how they keep trying to figure out how to "turn the knob" will NEVER get "early batspeed"/"late adjustability". That MAY be fine for the super hot bat technology of women's fastpitch, but is far less likely to suffice in high school/college metal bat baseball. It will not work for the pro/woodbat (-3 drop and small sweetspot) situation.
You need to look at clips for a long time until you can "see the difference".
Mankin explains things very well from his perspective of objectively watching how the bat moves through space, then deriving a model based on the forces that are applied to the bat through the hands to best explain what is seen.
His findings show that the high level/Pujols type requires: 1- no disconnection from body rotation before contact (calls this maintaining CHP) AND 2 - no bat drag at launch (which requires application of torque at the handle to prevent "bat drag").
"wrapping the bat" (among other things) WILL prevent the necessary torquing of the handle. This will degrade early batspeed and late adjustability.
Benyi and PUjols are both high level, BUT Pujols has the ARM ACTION (arms turning knob BEFORE shoulders are moving) necessary to prevent drag. Benyi drags the bat because she has a passive top hand, and a front side/bottom hand pull alone is NOT ENOUGH to eliminate "drag". A PUSHING/DOMINANT top hand is worse (disonnects/earlier interruption of load), BUT an appropriately active/assisting top hand is necessary for the best swing pattern.
Mankin describes the difference well in this recent summary explaining how mechanical problems are related to "no power to oppo field" AND "excessive pull hitting" problems.
http://www.batspeed.com/messageboard/29523.html
As Jack points out,these problems result more from mechanical inefficiency/bathead drag degrading bathead acceleration (quickness) and not just from "timing" problems. The high points of the post:
---------from batspeed-------------
>>> Coach Jack,
I seem to be having trouble hitting to the opposite field with power. I can pull the ball and hit with power, but not to the opposite field.
>>> what can you do to correct a hitter from pulling the ball.
>>> My son had surgery on his glenoid labrum two years ago. For the last year he has been pulling the ball to his dominate side (he's a lefty).
Jack Mankin replies:
To pull a ball just means the bat-head is out in front of the hands at contact. If the batters is pulling the ball foul too often, we normally think of it as a timing issue and advise the batter to let the ball get in deeper before initiating the swing.
However, this advice does not always work because many times it is not solely a timing problem. Much of the problem is often rooted in the batter’s swing mechanics generating bat speed too late in the swing. – I will place below a post from the Archives I wrote on this topic that might help you correct her problem:
I have seen the problem you describe in the swing of many young hitters. Most of their best hit balls are pulled foul and keep a wary third base coach watching him instead of the runners. One of the Dads of a recent Swing Review I analyzed, stated that if the foul-line was just swung around another 30 degrees, his son would have hit over 600 and led the league in home runs. – His son was right-handed
Since we can’t swing the foul lines around 30 degrees, the batter must develop mechanics that accelerate the bat-head 30 degrees farther back in the swing. To accomplish this, I have found that working with a heavy bag to be most helpful. I have the batter move forward in the box so that at “foot plant,” the lead-knee is even with the bag. From this position, the bat will be about perpendicular (hitting straightaway) to the flight of the ball as contact with the bag is made.
I explain to the batter that the bat is in contact with the ball for only 1/2000 seconds and the bat only moves forward during contact about ¾ inch. Therefore, it is pointless to continue applying force to the bat after contact. It is just wasted energy that should have been used to accelerate the bat-head farther back in their swing. By contact, the batter should have expended all his or her energy, and allow momentum of the bat to pull the arms through the follow-through – if the bag was not there
The bat-head travels about 180 degrees from the launch position around to contact – about 90 degrees to the lag position and then another 90 degrees on to contact (perpendicular). When the batter extends the hands during initiation, he accelerates the knob but the bat-head just slides over to the lag position and trails behind the hands. There is no way a batter can attain good bat speed with a static bat at the lag position.
In order for a batter to attain maximum bat speed earlier in the swing, his mechanics must accelerate the bat-head around the entire swing plane (180 degrees). This means that from his launch position, he must first accelerate the bat-head rearward to (and through) the lag position and then around to contact.
It may be helpful to understand what I am talking about by studying a rear view of this Bonds clip - http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Bonds01.mpeg . Note how his mechanics first accelerates the bat-head rearward to and through the lag position before he directs his energy toward the ball.
Jack Mankin
------------------
See especially near end:
"In order for a batter to attain maximum bat speed earlier in the swing, his mechanics must accelerate the bat-head around the entire swing plane (180 degrees). This means that from his launch position, he must first accelerate the bat-head rearward to (and through) the lag position and then around to contact."
--------
More for oaffie:
An actual player will tend to think more in terms of what the body is doing rather than how the bat is moving. I find it useful to understand the sequence of joint motions required to prevent the "drag" as in the Benyi swing and get closer to the optimal Pujols pattern. Just stayig inside the arc isn't going to be enough. Good arm action is required for this. In any case, Benyi an excessive degree of drag defined here by Jack:
"...she accelerates the knob but the bat-head just slides over to the lag position and trails behind the hands. There is no way a batter can attain good bat speed with a static bat at the lag position. "
In your assessment of "blur",you need to be able to see how the bat is being dragged by Benyi as compared to Pujols and how this degrades the entire swing.The bats is not just turning as with Pujols. It is dragging. It drags MORE because it is wrapped to start with. The back elbow moves down ("slotting", done RIGHT, is a good and necessary thing) BUT the bat does not move right away.
One way to check for signs of efficient segmental whipping of the entire swing is by looking at the back foot.
Pujols' back foot shows better heel leading toe (non bugsquish) action as it comes up (better weight shift/synch and better coil/hands staying back better) AND then he later shows back toe reactive drag before contact. These sequential actions confirm his body is whipping momnetum much more segmentally (much more efficient kinetic link) Than Benyi whose foot just comes up and turns.
There are many other landmarks to see once you understand the highest level pattern (Pujols) and how it is most often slightly degraded by bat drag (Benyi - high level BUT loses "earliness" of acceleration and "lateness" of adjustability).
All the *****/Englishbey/Sherriff/posse products are getting quickness BUT the trajectory of the bat shows "late batspeed" and they are forced to "adjust early" (set "posture" WAY before good location recognition).They are in a very different "spin" pattern where the body turns together and deceleration is avoided by not spreading out the knees so the en bloc legs/hips/torso can spin faster while at the same time preventing disconnection by emphasis on pull/hook of front arm/bottom hand and passive back arm.
The kid will be trapped in this pattern by:
setting posture early,
suppression of arm action,
turning back hip into front
keeping front foot closed
overemphasis on middle/one move,etc etc
You need to look at video with an open mind to see how the bat is moving differently and how the way the body moves relates to this.
The "late batspeed"/early adjustment/metal bat (light/bigger sweespot extending more toward handle) swing MAY be better than a horribly disconnected/reaccelerated one, BUT it is not going to give you "early batspeed and "late adjustability" no matter how much you try in vain to "remove slop" and improve "how the knob turns".
Spin vs whip/drag vs whip without drag.
PCR vs Benyi vs Pujols.
Keep on looking Oaffie.
Tom ...another great explanation.
I will add the BF post below
Quote:
Absolutely. We're on a natural progression to the high-level whip pattern. When they master the connected spin pattern, then they will make the natural progression to segmented whip.The difference is that more than 5% of our hitters are going to make it. How many of your hitters have made it or are as far along the way as ours?
This might be right but when can you test for segmented whip swing or see if a kid can advance quicker. Are you sure all good players advanced through this progression?
Quote:
My son in his 8 to 10 year old seasons was very tentative at the plate. And, I could tell from his body position as the pitcher wound up at about 95% certainty whether he would swing at a pitch if it was a strike. In some ways, the mind knows that the body isn't ready and refuses to give the instruction to pull the trigger. Whether the body position is cause or symptom is a chicken or egg question. The elbow can be one of those clues, and if you have the hands back and the elbow up, the very young hitter is more likely to feel ready than if the the elbow is down and there's not likely to be so much tension in the swing
Here is another progression for you
1. I agree , if he is not loaded at this young age he is not likely to pull the trigger...been standing in the 1B box for 12 years and strongly agree. WHY NO SWING.....his brain knows he cannot hit it.
2. As he gets older , he might exhibit the same behavior on an outside FB. WHY...if you potentiate a late connected spin to the pull side for too long without the ability to get inside the ball effortlessly and apply the segmented whip then you have have the same NO SWING going again at a very important time in his life.
If you tell him after his swing is ingrained to " hey son, let that ball just get deeper" you will fail and he will stare at strikes , take, and battle from behind in the count.
This is why I battle this stuff over and over. I have been through this stuff with kids from 7 to 20. I know the progression as I have lived it.
LL ALL-STar teams are made with middle-in pitches. HS baseball and JUCO teams are made middle away. You might as well prepare a mechanical skill set now for the middle -away as you go along. Use a hand set and load that can do that for you. You can actively teach toward a better goal with a little tweak here and there.
What ever you decide...keep a high wareness of handling the outside half of the plate. Test it daily in your sessions and advance in that skill as you progess in the game. When you test it by throwing away then you will read more intently the " how to hit that location " posts
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I will add the BF post below
Quote:
Absolutely. We're on a natural progression to the high-level whip pattern. When they master the connected spin pattern, then they will make the natural progression to segmented whip.The difference is that more than 5% of our hitters are going to make it. How many of your hitters have made it or are as far along the way as ours?
This might be right but when can you test for segmented whip swing or see if a kid can advance quicker. Are you sure all good players advanced through this progression?
Quote:
My son in his 8 to 10 year old seasons was very tentative at the plate. And, I could tell from his body position as the pitcher wound up at about 95% certainty whether he would swing at a pitch if it was a strike. In some ways, the mind knows that the body isn't ready and refuses to give the instruction to pull the trigger. Whether the body position is cause or symptom is a chicken or egg question. The elbow can be one of those clues, and if you have the hands back and the elbow up, the very young hitter is more likely to feel ready than if the the elbow is down and there's not likely to be so much tension in the swing
Here is another progression for you
1. I agree , if he is not loaded at this young age he is not likely to pull the trigger...been standing in the 1B box for 12 years and strongly agree. WHY NO SWING.....his brain knows he cannot hit it.
2. As he gets older , he might exhibit the same behavior on an outside FB. WHY...if you potentiate a late connected spin to the pull side for too long without the ability to get inside the ball effortlessly and apply the segmented whip then you have have the same NO SWING going again at a very important time in his life.
If you tell him after his swing is ingrained to " hey son, let that ball just get deeper" you will fail and he will stare at strikes , take, and battle from behind in the count.
This is why I battle this stuff over and over. I have been through this stuff with kids from 7 to 20. I know the progression as I have lived it.
LL ALL-STar teams are made with middle-in pitches. HS baseball and JUCO teams are made middle away. You might as well prepare a mechanical skill set now for the middle -away as you go along. Use a hand set and load that can do that for you. You can actively teach toward a better goal with a little tweak here and there.
What ever you decide...keep a high wareness of handling the outside half of the plate. Test it daily in your sessions and advance in that skill as you progess in the game. When you test it by throwing away then you will read more intently the " how to hit that location " posts
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quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
I will agree that Upton is a great talent and that I have to wipe egg off my face for trying to nitpick his swing. Though neither you nor Info has yet answered my very fundamental question: Do you have to have Upton family genes (lightning reflexes) to pull this off, or can anyone learn it?
For example, Julio Franco has had an unbelievable run of success with a hitting technique that no one I know would teach to a young hitter. It works for Julio, but would it work for the average high school varsity player?
Again, all I ask you two guys is to explain yourselves in plain English and lay off the condescension and insults. It appears that neither of you are capable of doing this. From now on, any time either of you weigh in on a thread, I'm out.
Midlo,
Dont get frustrated - there are many here who can explain the swing in a straightforward (and sometimes not so straightforward) way - without all of the insults.
I think what you will find is that - typically - the ones that think they know "the answer" are failed players that couldnt deal with their own failure.
In addition to thinking they have found the "cure" - which they havent - their biggest flaw is reducing the game to a series of trained physical movements.
They cannot bring themselves to admit that natural ability (in all of its varying physical and mental forms) - cannot be taught.
Some have it and some dont.
Proper training can certainly help - but nothing can replace pure physical skill.
I doubt - for a variety of reasons - that these two will ever be able to understand that.
Enjoy!
Midlo,
I have to admit that I really enjoy reading all the arguments. In a weird sort of way, I even enjoy the name calling and insults. I know it’s kind of a sadistic way of getting kicks, but my guess is that many people read these arguments and LTAO. I’m sorry, but I actually see the humor in all of this.
That said… I hate to actually be involved in all of the bickering. I know it’s not right and it’s a weakness, similar to why people watch ultimate fighting, yet would never actually do it. I think these threads gain popularity when all the "fighters" show up! And they get kind of dead when certain people quit posting.
By the way, I've always enjoyed reading everything you post, but I’m REALLY enjoying your posts in this thread! Go get em!!!
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I have to admit that I really enjoy reading all the arguments. In a weird sort of way, I even enjoy the name calling and insults. I know it’s kind of a sadistic way of getting kicks, but my guess is that many people read these arguments and LTAO. I’m sorry, but I actually see the humor in all of this.
That said… I hate to actually be involved in all of the bickering. I know it’s not right and it’s a weakness, similar to why people watch ultimate fighting, yet would never actually do it. I think these threads gain popularity when all the "fighters" show up! And they get kind of dead when certain people quit posting.
By the way, I've always enjoyed reading everything you post, but I’m REALLY enjoying your posts in this thread! Go get em!!!
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Doggie,
To you - its "stirring the pot".
To me - it is just telling the truth.
You still havent answered a single question with a direct answer - in 4 years. LOL
At least rshard/infopimp/etc... answers with specific opinions. They come with insults - but at least they are specific.
You keep posting - and I will keep "stirring" - and life on earth will continue to go on, my man.
To you - its "stirring the pot".
To me - it is just telling the truth.
You still havent answered a single question with a direct answer - in 4 years. LOL
At least rshard/infopimp/etc... answers with specific opinions. They come with insults - but at least they are specific.
You keep posting - and I will keep "stirring" - and life on earth will continue to go on, my man.
Blah, Blah, Blah.
Same old same old.
As PG said - at least when you two guys come on and do the internet troll thing - you generate interest in the subject.
Better than nothing I guess. LOL
Same old same old.
As PG said - at least when you two guys come on and do the internet troll thing - you generate interest in the subject.
Better than nothing I guess. LOL
Love him or Hate him, you gotta give Infopimp some respect.
He holds the Guiness record for being banned the most times from one message board (this one). If you look up persistence in the dictionary you’ll find a picture of infopimp. Sooner or later he will once again be banned and as always he shall return with yet another brand new user name (he has a lot more names stored up for future use).
He’s kind of like a severe storm… Comes through as Hurricane Linear and wreaks havoc and leaves (gets kicked off). Then he comes back as Hurricane Infopimp (category 5) ready to cause more destruction to all those in his path.
I happen to like the guy, but don’t have the pull necessary to keep him off MN-Mom's sh*t list. He is very, very naughty at times!!!! Bottom line… You can’t stop him… You can only hope to contain him. On second thought… You can’t even contain him!
He holds the Guiness record for being banned the most times from one message board (this one). If you look up persistence in the dictionary you’ll find a picture of infopimp. Sooner or later he will once again be banned and as always he shall return with yet another brand new user name (he has a lot more names stored up for future use).
He’s kind of like a severe storm… Comes through as Hurricane Linear and wreaks havoc and leaves (gets kicked off). Then he comes back as Hurricane Infopimp (category 5) ready to cause more destruction to all those in his path.
I happen to like the guy, but don’t have the pull necessary to keep him off MN-Mom's sh*t list. He is very, very naughty at times!!!! Bottom line… You can’t stop him… You can only hope to contain him. On second thought… You can’t even contain him!
PG
I agree.
Its like trying to keep algae out of a pond.
It aint happening.
rshard - Linear - infopimp - and so many other ids I cant even recall.
LOL
The Energizer Bunny of the HSBBWEB.
I agree.
Its like trying to keep algae out of a pond.
It aint happening.
rshard - Linear - infopimp - and so many other ids I cant even recall.
LOL
The Energizer Bunny of the HSBBWEB.
Here is my swing with 4 different clips. All and any help/suggestions welcome just keep it in layman's terms.
http://www.putfile.com/baseball13
http://www.putfile.com/baseball13
no shoulder load...no hip coil...late connection to pull side only.
thanks swingbuster anyother tips infor on what I should do?
quote:Originally posted by the next...1:
thanks swingbuster anyother tips infor on what I should do?
You might want to start a new thread here in the hitting section with the clip. I think you'll get more comments that way.
My $.02.....you don't seem to have much bat speed.
Ya I will get a couple of more this weekend and post in a new thread.
