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I don't know about the rest of you but I have become absolutely nauseated at the repeated reports of professional athletes involved in domestic abuse/assault. And not long thereafter do we seem to hear a few months later that they have been cleared or all charges have been dropped. Eh, whatever. We all know what THAT latter one is about, but okay, sure - charges dropped magically. Staring us right in the face currently is Johnny Football, Mr. Manziel. Busts his girlfriends eardrum? Attends Browns camp hungover and they cover for him saying it was the result of a concussion? Are these teams SO afraid of losing their investments that covering for these thugs and abusers becomes more important than cutting strings with them immediately??

Ok, ok, this is a baseball site so I'll bring it closer to home. According to USA Today "Oh, and let’s not forget that since the domestic abuse policy was implemented in September, there have been three incidents. Rockies shortstop Jose Reyes was arrested in Hawaii for allegedly punching his wife in November, and Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig recently had an alleged altercation with his sister." The other being Mr. Aroldis Chapman of the Reds, no, wait....the Dodgers.....my bad, I mean the Yankees. You know, I was REALLY about to become a HUGE Dodger's fan when I learned that after showing interest in Chapman and his arrest coming to light they begin to back off immediately. Even the RedSox after expressing some interest but found out in November went another direction and signed Craig Kimbrell. I was like "finally, a team putting the interest, safety, and well being of females ABOVE that of a (thug) athlete!" And then here comes the good 'ole Yankees! He signs and then the next thing we here is the charges are.....GASP.....dropped! Are you kidding me?? I mean who else on earth can get away with (according to police reports) " according to the report, Chapman allegedly choked his girlfriend, shoved her against a wall, fired his handgun eight times in his garage and punched out the window of his SUV — all with their 4-month-old daughter inside the house." Would it be safe to say at this point that if it were regular ole Joe Schmo (you and me) that we'd STILL be sitting behind bars singing the blues? 

I almost forgot about this one. Shame on me. It was just a year ago that the Reds traded Alfredo Simon to the Detroit Tigers, and few even blinked that he was the same guy who was cleared of involuntary manslaughter charges in a 2010 New Year’s Eve killing and was accused of rape two years ago — eventually settling a civil suit with his accuser.

And now for the cherry on top! Good ole Dusty Baker. What were his thoughts on Chapman? From USA Today "Washington Nationals manager Dusty Baker, who praised Chapman’s character from his days with the Reds and was immediately ripped on the Internet and the airwaves.

"He’s a heck of a guy," Baker said. "I mean, a heck of a guy. I’ll go on record and say I wouldn’t mind having Chapman. He is a tremendous young man with a great family, mom and dad, and what he went through to get here and what his family had to go through to get here.

"There was a couple times when I had to stop him from quitting or going back to Cuba because he was lonely for his family. I got nothing but love for the young man. 

And, yes, knowing Chapman, Baker found it hard to believe.

"I mean, who’s to say the allegations are true, No.1," Baker said. "And who’s to say what you would have done or what caused the problem."

Baker praised Major League Baseball’s domestic abuse policy when asked, even saying that it shouldn’t be specific to men.

"I think it’s a great thing," Baker said. "I mean, I got a buddy at home that’s being abused by his wife. So I think this policy needs to go further than the player. I think the policy should go to whoever’s involved. Sometimes abusers don’t always have pants on."

Baker’s comments titillated the Internet, and before he knew it he was Twitter’s top trending topic. He later clarified his remarks, but the damage was done.

SAY WHAT...????

This what I am about to say has NOTHING to do with being born and raised in the South. My dad raised me to NEVER hit a girl. No matter what. And as I've gotten older the thought occurred to me what possibly could ever evoke me to WANT to hit or hurt a woman AT ALL? 

I realize under our infamous Justice system across this land that everyone is innocent until proven guilty (cough) but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably - a duck! These thugs should be suspended until a full investigation by authorities and (insert Professional team) has been exhausted and concluded. Quit letting money, fame, ticket sales, popularity, athleticism, et al continue to be the "Get out of Jail free" card. Immediately kick them off the team and include in their contract upon signing  "if found guilty of such a charge" they forfeit every red cent owed to them. The more coddling they do with these dregs of society then the more they will feel entitled and privileged without fearing any discipline or repercussions whatsoever.

In closing, I thought I would throw in this golden gem in case you missed it a couple of years ago. Maybe this is just me throwing gasoline onto the fire. Eh, arrest me for mental abuse! lol

Aroldis Chapman arrested after police clock him going 93mph (in his car) on suspended license.

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Yahoo Sports

As his lawyers no doubt will argue at trial next month, the speed at which police clocked Aroldis Chapman traveling in his Mercedes early Monday is not what matters. Any Major League Baseball player can drive 93 mph. It's all about control.

 At least that's the story his defense (attorneys Franklin and Bash?) ought to be preparing after theCincinnati Reds' would-be closer was arrested in Grove City, Ohio, for driving on a suspended license with a citation for speeding. WLTW reports that:

Chapman, 24, was pulled over after he was recorded speeding in a black 2010 Mercedes S63 on Interstate 71 North near Interstate 270 about 12:42 a.m. Monday.

Chapman was arrested after the officer discovered he had a suspended Kentucky driver's license, according to a police report.

Our client must have been confused, your honor.

After all, we know the vanity license plate for Chapman's Mercedes reads "101 mph." No doubt, this stranger from the Caribbean must have thought that gave him the latitude to drive up to and including 101 mph. That's how they do it in Cuba. It's all in the Marx-Engels Reader!

YGD

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YoungGunDad posted:

 

This what I am about to say has NOTHING to do with being born and raised in the South. My dad raised me to NEVER hit a girl. No matter what. And as I've gotten older the thought occurred to me what possibly could ever evoke me to WANT to hit or hurt a woman AT ALL? 

 

If I had that mentality, I'd be dead right now. My daughter would either not have existed or also would be dead. 

RJM posted:

Why would pro athletes be any different from society? There are men who aren't pro athletes who beat their wives/girlfriends. If they have money for top lawyers chances are they walked away from it without jail time. It's not a thug athlete issue. It's a societal issue.

Yes athletes don't become magical saints just because they are pros. There are racists, sexists, psychopaths, alcoholics, drug addicts... Among athletes just like they are among the rest of society. Of course that is not good and law should adress them ( and not let them off the hook because they are rich and famous) but it is stupid to expect that athletes as a group are better than the rest of society.

I don't think that is an athlete specific problem.

It runs wild in the NFL.  Ever wonder how many NFL players would be behind bars if it weren't for football?  The other pro sports can't hold a candle to football.  Yet football's popularity is off the charts. In fact, I also love it.

I never really understood the big penalties involving that bounty thing with the Saints a few years ago.   There was a financial reward offered to hurt someone on the football field.  Haven't they been paying big salaries to players that hurt people for many years.  Did guys like Dick Butkus ever want to hurt anyone?  What do we call that player who hurts the most opponents?  How about rich and famous or All Pro?  The problem is when they take that game mentality with them when they're off the field. 

 Is domestic abuse allowed or more common in Cuba? Is it ok to slap your wife in the Dominican? What is acceptable force in Venezuela? or S.Korea?  While MLB works so hard to get these cultures into our American pastime, should we expect a little bump in the road from time to time? I know that even if your from Elk Horn Iowa these infractions could happen, its not just the inner city of Chicago or LA.

 I am under the impression that there is less violence in MLB than the NBA and NFL, in a few years when 50-60% of the players are foreign will it still be Americas pastime like we know it?

Speaking as the spouse of a MD who used to log many hours in the ER, abuse cuts across all demographic categories. Speaking as the child of a female judge and male lawyer, abuse has a disgustingly long history of being swept under the carpet. Speaking as a female, I've never understood how a wife/girlfriend could stick in a relationship with an abusive man nor can I understand how teammates/friends of said abusive man could not continually call them out on it. Speaking as a parent of a bb player, I emphasized respect and 'using your words' with my boys. So, finally, speaking as a citizen, I am always glad when cases of abuse go viral or at least public: Airing these ugly deeds helps move the conversation forward, even if only slowly. 

PGStaff posted:

It runs wild in the NFL.  Ever wonder how many NFL players would be behind bars if it weren't for football?  The other pro sports can't hold a candle to football.  Yet football's popularity is off the charts. In fact, I also love it.

I never really understood the big penalties involving that bounty thing with the Saints a few years ago.   There was a financial reward offered to hurt someone on the football field.  Haven't they been paying big salaries to players that hurt people for many years.  Did guys like Dick Butkus ever want to hurt anyone?  What do we call that player who hurts the most opponents?  How about rich and famous or All Pro?  The problem is when they take that game mentality with them when they're off the field. 

... and when that mentality is such a big part of your life and your success, it can be very difficult to separate for many.

I was a DB in high school. I was nasty. I was taught to be nasty. It's the way the game was taught, coached and played. We were allowed to do things to receivers that are very illegal now. 

In college it took at least two years to stop envisioning clothes lining anyone running in the opposite direction on the sidewalk of the campus. But it never dawned on me to hit a woman. 

Its not asking much for an athlete to control their aggression off the field. Most pro athletes do. It's more about what went on in their community and in their house. Many were raised in an environment where violence and money were everything. They weren't raised to think differently. When they receive multiple second chances as pro athletes it makes their behavior acceptable in their minds.

I wholeheartedly agree that this is and has been a societal issue for far too long. And I'm not arguing that point one bit so please know that. RJM is correct in his assessment that what we see with these athletes (and society in general) when domestic abuse/assault occurs happens is somewhat a direct result of their environment and family upbringing at home. As we grow up seeing it and being around it without any repercussions or consequences it's easy to see how one would deem that it is "acceptable" or "okay" in private. Monkey see, monkey do I suppose. But I'm also an avid believe that we also DON'T have to be held captive or be the direct product of our upbringing if we so desire. I have this deep rooted belief that inside us all is a moral compass which speaks to our conscious....our heart that "right is right" and "wrong is wrong"....THAT is our baseline needle on our compass. I don't suppose to think that all think this way but inside me that's always been quite prevalent. 

But honestly, the point of my OP was just to address the disgusting alarm at which ALL sports seem to be dealing with this on some level, how they are dealing with it, our the League in which they belong deal with it, and through it all how it even affects society by watching it at times be swept under the rug or being slapped on the wrist. 

Every time a player faces the music because of his crime only to see them coddle him with a 3 game suspension or the prosecutor dropping all charges what message is being sent back to him? To the abused? To everyone? Even though Chapman can throw a 103mph fastball, LA and Boston gained tremendous respect from me for backing off pursuit of him. I commend them for what they stood up for regardless of the ticket sales and wins he would bring them. 

AL PAL, I genuinely appreciated your post and agree that as long as this topic is brought out and discussed the more aware people can be aware of what is going on, voice their opinions and care, and hopefully somehow make a difference that this is totally unacceptable. I'm just afraid until these professional sports teams begin to take a stand for what is right by forsaking their potential financial losses and/or ticket sells to send a loud and clear, direct message, we will continue to see this over and over again. 

YGD

First, I have been known for my bad temper.  When we wanted to have a child, my wife told me that she had one condition.  I could never lay hands on the child because I just can't stop when I get mad.  I agreed.  I have never laid a hand on my wife or child.  How do you hit someone you say you love? 

What I do believe is that we have created a culture in some communities that give athletes a sense that they are above the law or rules.  I am reminded of a HS game once where a hitter was thrown out at first and thought he was safe.  He dropped his pants to moon the umpire and was ejected.  After the game, I asked the coach what he was going to do to the player.  Long answer short, nothing.  From there, I knew we couldn't play that team anymore.  His players didn't have any consequences for their actions.  That isn't an isolated story across this country. 

I'll wrap up by saying that domestic abuse is a plague in this country.  My nephew who is a Police Officer was just telling me how he had a call to a house and when he got there, he could hear the man inside beating the wife.  He was told to wait for backup.  He couldn't and so, had to go in gun pulled and save the woman.  When backup arrived and they got the guy in handcuffs, the woman said that he had told her he was going to kill her.  He had a glock and 300 rounds of ammo by the bed.  So, it isn't just athletes. 

Please do not take this the wrong way, I am going to say it,  but reality is not only is it a societal issue but also a cultural and ethnic issue.  As far as abuse against woman, this occurs in every society in every part of the word. I know  of a woman here in the US who is here illegally, a professional corporate woman from China, she came here to escape abuse from her husband. There is no such thing as divorce in China. If she went back he would kill her.  Wives and girlfriends of athletes tolerate the abuse because they are forced to stay with their man for financial reasons.  And more than likely they stay with the baby daddy so the children will grow up with a father unlike they did when they were children.    Many of these young guys  from other places grew up with nothing, so this does change their lives and its not always for the best.  

 When you have so much money and dont know what to do with it, it only makes matters worse.

 

Success can bring big paychecks - funny money -for some, Fu money.  All of a sudden, there are people fueling your ego: beautiful women, new people wanting to be your friend, best tables, best parking, first class travel, best hotel, best table in Vegas.  You get all this attention, you're the man.  Challenge is to stay grounded.  Add in societal, cultural, & legal boundaries.  YOU ARE ON EVERYBODYS RADAR.  The average and even above average earner can stay off the radar.  But you're now a target.

The guys that are exposed to this, or the ones that get back into "society's" grace, are the ones that have a spiritual infrastructure in place to slap them back into reality.  

There are no excuses, but these guys who get on the "radar" have it tough; hopefully they have a core group nearby that will keep them in check, not the "group" from the past that will perpetuate the derailing of a talented potential role model for some young kid.

Big money leads to a lot of wrongful influences in your life.  Hard to stay grounded.  Have to have a core group close to you that keeps you in check.

 

 

Football gets a lot of attention with this stuff.  

It gets press because it is easy.  In reality, the crime rate is lower in the NFL than society at large.  Much lower in MLB.  It should be and it is.  

So, I don't care anymore about a ball player smacking his better half than I do some plumber somewhere.  The crime is the same.  Many of the dynamics are the same.  The problem is not with athletes, but, society has an issue for sure.  If you think the story here is about well paid athletes you are letting yourself be easily manipulated.  

Leftside posted:

Football gets a lot of attention with this stuff.  

It gets press because it is easy.  In reality, the crime rate is lower in the NFL than society at large.  Much lower in MLB.  It should be and it is.  

So, I don't care anymore about a ball player smacking his better half than I do some plumber somewhere.  The crime is the same.  Many of the dynamics are the same.  The problem is not with athletes, but, society has an issue for sure.  If you think the story here is about well paid athletes you are letting yourself be easily manipulated.  

I think the point of the OP isn't that there is any more or less of this happening by professional athletes.  I believe he is alluding to the point that they tend to get off with significantly lighter punishment than the general population.  Whether it is their status or using their means to get the best legal counsel, the end result is huge headlines of terrible crimes and subsequent headlines regarding acquittal, second chances, no time served, etc.

And for the record, I agree with your comment that the plumber is as responsible for his actions as the star wide receiver/point guard/pitcher, etc.  I also believe that he punishment should be meted out equally.

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