tips for hitting with more power

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Originally posted by bbscout:
You see what you want to see. I would appreciate it if you did not tell me what I am seeing. The hands and wrists in those clips show them releasing into contact. They are not trying to stop, they are trying to hit the ball.Rotation is part of it, but not all of it.

At the Area Code Games this past year, they tested all the kids hand strength (both hands) and the kids who had the best grip strength also had the most power in BP and the games. You won't find a power hitter who has weak hands.
The most important thing in hip rotation is getting your body and hands in good position (palm up, palm down) to hit the ball.

I didn't mean the hands are trying to stop the bat in the clips of Rose and Robinson. I'm using that analogy to show that sometimes the bat is moving the hands and not the other way around. And, it is impossible for you to conclude that the hands are a factor in the swing using those clips as evidence. They are not evidence of your theory.

And I'm quite surprised that since you believe in palm up palm down that you still believe the hands play a significant role in the swing. Put your hands in that position. Tell me.....what can they possibly do from that position other than transfer energy created somewhere else.

The pics of Rose and Robinson are excellent, because they give us a view that we very seldom get when viewing film. They show the hands and wrists playing a significant role in the swing, along with the hips and shoulders etc. All parts of the body are important in the swing. The hands and body move the bat......the bat can't move anything by itself.

Check the pics of robinson and Rose again. Check the swing when the bat is pointed at the catcher and then watch the hands from that point until contact. They are not along for the ride. They are providing some direction and some power.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Ever shake hands with Henry Aaron ?

I have !!

Not a large man-- powerful forearms, wrists and hands

His record speaks for itself, does it not !!!

Haven't shaken hands with Hank. But, I have shaken the hand of the world arm wrestling champion.

He couldn't hit a lick.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bbscout:
The pics of Rose and Robinson are excellent, because they give us a view that we very seldom get when viewing film. They show the hands and wrists playing a significant role in the swing...QUOTE]

Only because you believe it to be true. There is proof otherwise.

But, you will only believe what you want to believe.

If there is proof, you should show it. You only believe what you want to believe, and it is a shame, because you are an intelligent man.

I remember sitting in the 19th hole in about 1970 listening to two golf pros argue about the swing. One said you hit it with the hands and the other said you hit it with the hips. They went back and forth,hips, hands, hips hands for a while. Finally the guy who liked the hands told the guy who liked the hips to take the club and stick it up his keester and see how far he can hit it.

We will never agree on this but I still like debating with you scout.

I love competition. Worthy competition.

But, to the original premise of this discussion, I bet you will agree that power is not found in wrist flicking.

TEACHERMAN

I offer an example of a baseball player and you talk arm wrestling-- you will never change

I need no go any further-- we are talking arm and wrist strength of baseball players not bulked up arm wrestler

Post your Gurus link again--

I don't even know what wrist flicking is. He may mean something else.

I know that you still swing the bat, so here is something I would like you to try. Get in the box and then go through the start of your swing in slow motion. get to the point where you have taken your stride and your hips and shoulders are opened up most of the way, but your hands and bathead are still back. Stop there and then just swing the bat and see how much bat speed you can supply. You would not be using your hips, as they have already opened. If I was standing 20 feet in front of you, you would take my head off with a line drive. That is the extra that the hands,wrists and arms can supply.

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Originally posted by TRhit:


I offer an example of a baseball player and you talk arm wrestling-- you will never change

I need no go any further-- we are talking arm and wrist strength of baseball players not bulked up arm wrestler

Post your Gurus link again--

I can see you know little about arm wrestling. It's all wrist and forearm.

Scout.

I'm have a minor connection with Rick Sutcliffe. He wouldn't remember my name but we were both pallbearers at a mutual friends funeral in 1975. He played baseball with the deceased in high school. I played with him and roomed with him in college. He died when struck in the head by a pitched ball in summer baseball. He was 20 years old. Hard to believe that is over 30 years ago.

Anyway, legend has it that Sutcliffe was never beaten in arm wrestling. These players traveled around the country playing legion and babe ruth baseball as kids, ended up in bars occasionally and won some big bucks betting on Sutcliffe against some of the bigger lumberjack types they'd ever seen.

Ever hear anything about Sutcliffes arm wrestling prowess????

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Originally posted by bbscout:
I don't even know what wrist flicking is. He may mean something else.

I know that you still swing the bat, so here is something I would like you to try. Get in the box and then go through the start of your swing in slow motion. get to the point where you have taken your stride and your hips and shoulders are opened up most of the way, but your hands and bathead are still back. Stop there and then just swing the bat and see how much bat speed you can supply. You would not be using your hips, as they have already opened. If I was standing 20 feet in front of you, you would take my head off with a line drive. That is the extra that the hands,wrists and arms can supply.

C'mon scout, "your hips and shoulders are opened most of the way". The little they aren't opened, that will open, adds temendously to that line drive.

Try this. Put your arms in a vise on the work bench in the garage. Leave your wrists free. Have someone throw to you. Can you hit it out of the garage????

Never heard about Sutcliffe as an arm wrestler, but when Greg Maddux was first called up to the big leagues, Sutcliffe had him live with him and would not let Greg pay for anything. It was a classy thing to do.

Meanwhile, go do the drill that I asked you to do.

C'mon scout, "your hips and shoulders are opened most of the way". The little they aren't opened, that will open, adds temendously to that line drive.


Open them all the way and do the drill.

Teacherman, Rshard, Richard, etc....,

Your posts are boring, to say the least. They never change, unless of course you go back two years, to the batspeed board. You're "better than all of us" mentality, goes along with your physical height.....a small man, with small thoughts.

Go back to your local little league park, where they buy into your garbage. Please......teach me, Teacherman.

Be good......err...wait, that's not possible.
David

TEACHERMAN

You dance well-- quick toes---Yes I know about arm wrestling but those who do do not play baseball-- your analogy is not realitic, not to mention logical--hey do they have steroid testing in arm wrestling?

Can I have the link again-- I want to compare what your Guru says to that which SBK has posted

Teach I think you have to get into the real world and get "experience_ not info from sites with claymotion models--

You argue with bbscout and all he does is deal with baseball players --real live baseball players-- I think I will listen to him==

As for Sutcliffe--wasn't he a pitcher?--- I think so -- and a good student of the game regarding pitching

Teach are you comparing Sutcliffe to Aaron???

Really now

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Originally posted by bbscout:
C'mon scout, "your hips and shoulders are opened most of the way". The little they aren't opened, that will open, adds temendously to that line drive.


Open them all the way and do the drill.

You miss the point scout. In your drill you haven't eliminated all of the hips, torso, and arms and everything else that contributes.

To equate what the wrists do, you have to do that. My vice example is much better than yours to determine what power comes from the wrists. Come up with something that eliminated everything else and I'll try it.

Until then, I live by my vice.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
TEACHERMAN

You dance well-- quick toes---Yes I know about arm wrestling but those who do do not play baseball-- your analogy is not realitic, not to mention logical--hey do they have steroid testing in arm wrestling?

Can I have the link again-- I want to compare what your Guru says to that which SBK has posted

Teach I think you have to get into the real world and get "experience_ not info from sites with claymotion models--

You argue with bbscout and all he does is deal with baseball players --real live baseball players-- I think I will listen to him==

As for Sutcliffe--wasn't he a pitcher?--- I think so -- and a good student of the game regarding pitching

Teach are you comparing Sutcliffe to Aaron???

Really now

Will someone in this guys family pull the plug. Scout and I can talk and disagree and both at least make sense when we type.

This guy, try as he might, know little about anything except how to expose players to schools. Everyone says he's good at it. Good for him.

I have never gotten into his area of expertise to my knowledge because I know little about it.

If I have, I apologize. I'll stay away.

However, he continually goes where he knows nothing and makes even less sense.

He continually claims I don't work with kids which I do, every day. I have more "on field" experience than he does.

After all, in his own words, he said "that's what his coaches are for".

By not trying the drill, you are not trying to learn. What do you have to lose by trying it? I also did not say just WRISTS. I said hands, wrists and arms, and I can hit the ball well over 200 feet doing it, and I am older than you and have had about 7 operations, including major heart surgery.

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Originally posted by bbscout:
By not trying the drill, you are not trying to learn. What do you have to lose by trying it? I also did not say just WRISTS. I said hands, wrists and arms, and I can hit the ball well over 200 feet doing it, and I am older than you and have had about 7 operations, including major heart surgery.

NOW NOW NOW.

You're pulling a fast one on me. Our area of disagreement has always been the role of the hands. Not the arms.

Of course you can hit the ball like that with the arms. But, it still doesn't show much.

Because good hitters have it all (body, hands, arms etc) connected into a unit. And, this unit turns by rotation. A one piece swing. Nothing 2 piece or multi piece about it.

I could put my hips in a vise and still hit the ball hard.