27 of the first 30 players selected have been to Perfect Game showcases. Also 10 of the first 25 picks were Aflac All Americans last summer.
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It’s kind of our way of keeping score. 108 of the first 136 picks were kids who participated in Perfect Game events. Maybe others find it boring. Or maybe they understand just how unusual and unprecedented it is.
well if you have 5,000 hs players attend a PG tournament or showcase, pretty likley you will have a number of draft picks out of it
quote:well if you have 5,000 hs players attend a PG tournament or showcase, pretty likley you will have a number of draft picks out of it
We hope to break last years record of 823 draft picks this year. That's a lot of real good players, no matter how many you start with. 27 of 30 first rounders and 11 of the 14 sandwich picks came out of those events. Compared to everything else there is, these are huge numbers!
Seeing players like Max Sapp, Chris Parmelee, Jeremy Jeffress, Colton Willems, Billy Rowell, Jason Place,etc. become millionaires is really very rewarding to us and I don't mean financially rewarding.
How much does a PG showcase cost per player?
futurecatcher27,
When my son attended in high school, I believe the PG showcases were in the $295 to $495 range depending on the specific event. (My son attended a small regional event that was in the lower end of that range.) PG is not among the cheapest, but we thought it was an excellent value. They have a large fulltime, year 'round professional staff that supports the quality of their events. As you can see from the numbers above, most of the very best players attend at least one PG event, as do many MLB scouts.
Since most of their events are by invitation, I don't think they publish the event prices on the site. There is a link you can click to request an invitation at www.perfectgame.org. Good luck!
When my son attended in high school, I believe the PG showcases were in the $295 to $495 range depending on the specific event. (My son attended a small regional event that was in the lower end of that range.) PG is not among the cheapest, but we thought it was an excellent value. They have a large fulltime, year 'round professional staff that supports the quality of their events. As you can see from the numbers above, most of the very best players attend at least one PG event, as do many MLB scouts.
Since most of their events are by invitation, I don't think they publish the event prices on the site. There is a link you can click to request an invitation at www.perfectgame.org. Good luck!
PGstaff
you act like a kid collecting trophies throwing out all of the numbers on players that have been to PG and been drafted... who cares...
all you did was charge money and set up schedules for teams that come in to play. How about giving kudos to the real people out there actually doing something... like their pitching instructors, or hitting instructors.. or the kids themselves who had the talent to get to wwhere they are... any other tourney directors for the summer could claim the same stuff you do just not the high of numbers because they don't have a lot of teams come in by the herd...
can you honestly say that those kids would not have been drafted had they not gone to PG? Nope. Everyone of them would have been drafted. Just like the tourney they went to the week before your or the week after yours...
it's nice to see people out there taking credit for doing nothing but providing a field for these guys and yet they act like thgey've been working on their mechanics and workouts since the players were 12...
PG is just another stage making money for themselves... they have not (one on one) worked with any of these kids but seem to take credit when they get picked...
how convienient...
you act like a kid collecting trophies throwing out all of the numbers on players that have been to PG and been drafted... who cares...
all you did was charge money and set up schedules for teams that come in to play. How about giving kudos to the real people out there actually doing something... like their pitching instructors, or hitting instructors.. or the kids themselves who had the talent to get to wwhere they are... any other tourney directors for the summer could claim the same stuff you do just not the high of numbers because they don't have a lot of teams come in by the herd...
can you honestly say that those kids would not have been drafted had they not gone to PG? Nope. Everyone of them would have been drafted. Just like the tourney they went to the week before your or the week after yours...
it's nice to see people out there taking credit for doing nothing but providing a field for these guys and yet they act like thgey've been working on their mechanics and workouts since the players were 12...
PG is just another stage making money for themselves... they have not (one on one) worked with any of these kids but seem to take credit when they get picked...
how convienient...
Diablo con Huevos,
I work with perfect game on a project called baseballwebtv, so you can dismiss what I say if you'd like, but I believe you definitely have the wrong idea about perfectgame. It seems you have the idea that they just sit back and collect money...I can tell you that this is absolutely not the case. In fact, I think the guys that run a couple showcases a year probably make a ton more money for themselves than Anyone at perfectgame. Trust me, they aren't driving around in cars with rims or living in big houses or anything like that.
And I still don't see why some people complain about the price of a showcase...it makes absolutely no sense to criticize based on price alone. Yeah, you can go to a local showcase for two hundred bucks or whatever and get seen by who? Just like you can advertise on your local cable channel for 2 bucks a commercial. It costs alot more than that to run a commercial nationally. It costs a hell of a lot more to have that ability to get the word out nationally. Shoot, I've seen the web stats when the perfect game servers get flooded - when reports from events like the national underclass go up ... I've seen the numbers and it's seriously mind-boggling. Besides that, if PG likes a player, and they broadcast that on the website, by email, or however they choose, it doesn't take but an hour or so before the scouting DIRECTORS start calling. I've seen that very thing happen multiple times in a matter of months that I've been around PG.
Unless a player has a dad who played in the major leagues or something like that, every player starts out as an unknown. At some point, they have to be exposed to get drafted and I'm sure scouting departments don't get blank checks at the start of the year. Just like every other profession, they try to get the most out of every dollar spent. And how could it possibly be not worth it for scouts to see the best guys playing against each other rather than everyday competition? There's a reason why most of the scouting directors are at the events. And the guys at perfectgame probably saw most of those players before they were considered first round guys. Does it help even the best…how could it not? It’s a national stage. And I doubt too many of the fathers and mothers of those guys drafted today would criticize PG.
There's a difference between tournament ABC and WWBA events, and there's a difference between Smith's Showcase and a PG showcase, and to deny that is ignorant. And I’ve never heard anyone from PG try to take credit from other people, instructors, agents, parents, etc.
You are wrong to make those comments, Huevos. I say that as a person who has seen the dedication and tremendous work that goes into making all of this happen.
Rick Stephenson
I work with perfect game on a project called baseballwebtv, so you can dismiss what I say if you'd like, but I believe you definitely have the wrong idea about perfectgame. It seems you have the idea that they just sit back and collect money...I can tell you that this is absolutely not the case. In fact, I think the guys that run a couple showcases a year probably make a ton more money for themselves than Anyone at perfectgame. Trust me, they aren't driving around in cars with rims or living in big houses or anything like that.
And I still don't see why some people complain about the price of a showcase...it makes absolutely no sense to criticize based on price alone. Yeah, you can go to a local showcase for two hundred bucks or whatever and get seen by who? Just like you can advertise on your local cable channel for 2 bucks a commercial. It costs alot more than that to run a commercial nationally. It costs a hell of a lot more to have that ability to get the word out nationally. Shoot, I've seen the web stats when the perfect game servers get flooded - when reports from events like the national underclass go up ... I've seen the numbers and it's seriously mind-boggling. Besides that, if PG likes a player, and they broadcast that on the website, by email, or however they choose, it doesn't take but an hour or so before the scouting DIRECTORS start calling. I've seen that very thing happen multiple times in a matter of months that I've been around PG.
Unless a player has a dad who played in the major leagues or something like that, every player starts out as an unknown. At some point, they have to be exposed to get drafted and I'm sure scouting departments don't get blank checks at the start of the year. Just like every other profession, they try to get the most out of every dollar spent. And how could it possibly be not worth it for scouts to see the best guys playing against each other rather than everyday competition? There's a reason why most of the scouting directors are at the events. And the guys at perfectgame probably saw most of those players before they were considered first round guys. Does it help even the best…how could it not? It’s a national stage. And I doubt too many of the fathers and mothers of those guys drafted today would criticize PG.
There's a difference between tournament ABC and WWBA events, and there's a difference between Smith's Showcase and a PG showcase, and to deny that is ignorant. And I’ve never heard anyone from PG try to take credit from other people, instructors, agents, parents, etc.
You are wrong to make those comments, Huevos. I say that as a person who has seen the dedication and tremendous work that goes into making all of this happen.
Rick Stephenson
quote:Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
PGstaff
you act like a kid collecting trophies throwing out all of the numbers on players that have been to PG and been drafted... who cares...
I dont think PGstaff is acting like that at all. I think he - and his staff - are proud of what they have built and all the kids they have helped gain serious exposure. As for who cares - all you need to do is go to an event - lots of Baseball people care. .
all you did was charge money and set up schedules for teams that come in to play. How about giving kudos to the real people out there actually doing something... like their pitching instructors, or hitting instructors.. or the kids themselves who had the talent to get to wwhere they are... any other tourney directors for the summer could claim the same stuff you do just not the high of numbers because they don't have a lot of teams come in by the herd...
That is not even close to what PG does - they do alot more than that - you just arent aware of it. Additionally - they arent there to give kudos to instructors. They are there to provide the best collection of competition to the players - and to promote the best players on a national and regional scale.
can you honestly say that those kids would not have been drafted had they not gone to PG? Nope. Everyone of them would have been drafted. Just like the tourney they went to the week before your or the week after yours...
I would bet you alot of money that many players' opportunities to play college or pro ball have been significantly enhanced as a direct result of their performance at a PG event
it's nice to see people out there taking credit for doing nothing but providing a field for these guys and yet they act like thgey've been working on their mechanics and workouts since the players were 12...
Taking credit? I dont see that. Where did he say he was taking credit?
PG is just another stage making money for themselves... they have not (one on one) worked with any of these kids but seem to take credit when they get picked...
If you have ever been to a PG event - you will know how misinformed that statement is.
how convienient...
Let me just add - going to PG events is also alot of fun.
I remember going to my first Jupiter tournament with my eldest son several years ago - and I remain amazed at the talent that was there that year.
When it was all over - I remember my son coming up to me after his last game - he was dog tired and a bit beat up. He strolled on over - and the first thing he said was - "Dad - that was pretty cool".
Two very good posts from Paul and Rick. Paul is right. PG events are just plain fun. Fun for players, parents. College coaches and proball folks seem to have smiles on too. PG coordinates a logistical nightmare with a high level of precision. They routinely manage and produce great events, on time, as promised, every time I have attended.
They have the most thorough, complete database of amateur scouting information available by an extremely wide margin, collected one pitch at a time. That's not cheap, but the best never is.
They have the most thorough, complete database of amateur scouting information available by an extremely wide margin, collected one pitch at a time. That's not cheap, but the best never is.
Diablo,
You are welcome to have your opinion. However, this one smells of agenda. Allow me to ask… Why does this bother you so much???? Here is a small part of an article on our website about last year’s draft. Please tell me where you see us taking credit for anything other than kids attending our events? You should read the entire article… Here is the link… 2005 Draft
2005 draft
First Round ...........24 had attended a PG event
First 21 picks .........17 had attended a PG event
1st Rd Sup ............12 had attended a PG event
Total 1st rd ...........36 had attended a PG event
Total 2nd rd ..........21 had attended a PG event
2nd rd sup ..............3 had attended a PG event
Total 2nd rd ..........24 had attended a PG event
1st 2 rds ................60 had attended a PG event
1st 100 picks .........77 had attended a PG event
1st 5 rds ..............122 had attended a PG event
1st 10 rds ............201 had attended a PG event
1st day 18 rds (560 total players) - 325 have attended a Perfect Game event
Least number of PG participants drafted (9 each in round 48 and 37)
Highest number of PG participants drafted (24 in round 1)
Total PG participants drafted from all 50 rounds - 823
Total PG participants drafted in past 4 years - 2,129
People sometimes think that Perfect Game is only for those prospects who are going into professional baseball. The number of Perfect Game participants who play at the college level is much, much larger than the draft totals.
In the 2004 NCAA DI College World Series, the 8 team rosters included 155 former PG participants. This year the number is even higher at the 2005 College World Series. Many of the top college programs in the country have nearly all former PG participants on their rosters. This includes the two teams playing for the National Championship. Perfect Game also has many players who are continuing their baseball careers at Junior Colleges and other Small Colleges.
Note: Often the PG naysayers get upset when we release these figures. However, they are a very important part of our business. We ask, if anyone else could claim these numbers, would they keep it confidential?
We used to refer to all these draft picks as PG Players. Please everyone, understand that we are not laying claim for these players getting drafted. Our job is to identify talented players, not to develop them, draft them or recruit them. That is why we use the term "attended PG events" rather than "PG Player". We don't deserve any credit for the vast majority of talented players who attend our events and go on to get College Scholarships or become draft picks. We understand that Justin Upton would have been what he is, with or without PG. For the most part, we didn't make them outstanding players. We just were lucky enough to watch them perform.
The credit should go to the many coaches, teams, teammates, instructors, parents and most of all, to the individual players themselves. Many of these players play in excellent summer and fall programs. Some of these draft picks owe a lot to those outstanding high level programs. Without those programs PG would miss a lot of talented players.
Last, but not least, people should really appreciate those who are involved in scouting for Major League Clubs and the many college coaches who scout and recruit hard. Without these people, we would all be wasting our time.
MLB Scouts and College Coaches are the most important people in this whole process. They are the people who make the most important decisions! Lucky for us is that they follow what we do very closely, whether they actually attend the events or not.
You see Diablo... We do not take credit for anything other than what is actually true! If you were in our shoes, would you keep these figures quiet and just keep reading the numbers released by others? We work much too hard to not care about these numbers. They shouldn't bother any GOOD baseball person. They sure don't bother those in the highest places who make the final decisions. In fact, those are our biggest boosters!
You are welcome to have your opinion. However, this one smells of agenda. Allow me to ask… Why does this bother you so much???? Here is a small part of an article on our website about last year’s draft. Please tell me where you see us taking credit for anything other than kids attending our events? You should read the entire article… Here is the link… 2005 Draft
2005 draft
First Round ...........24 had attended a PG event
First 21 picks .........17 had attended a PG event
1st Rd Sup ............12 had attended a PG event
Total 1st rd ...........36 had attended a PG event
Total 2nd rd ..........21 had attended a PG event
2nd rd sup ..............3 had attended a PG event
Total 2nd rd ..........24 had attended a PG event
1st 2 rds ................60 had attended a PG event
1st 100 picks .........77 had attended a PG event
1st 5 rds ..............122 had attended a PG event
1st 10 rds ............201 had attended a PG event
1st day 18 rds (560 total players) - 325 have attended a Perfect Game event
Least number of PG participants drafted (9 each in round 48 and 37)
Highest number of PG participants drafted (24 in round 1)
Total PG participants drafted from all 50 rounds - 823
Total PG participants drafted in past 4 years - 2,129
People sometimes think that Perfect Game is only for those prospects who are going into professional baseball. The number of Perfect Game participants who play at the college level is much, much larger than the draft totals.
In the 2004 NCAA DI College World Series, the 8 team rosters included 155 former PG participants. This year the number is even higher at the 2005 College World Series. Many of the top college programs in the country have nearly all former PG participants on their rosters. This includes the two teams playing for the National Championship. Perfect Game also has many players who are continuing their baseball careers at Junior Colleges and other Small Colleges.
Note: Often the PG naysayers get upset when we release these figures. However, they are a very important part of our business. We ask, if anyone else could claim these numbers, would they keep it confidential?
We used to refer to all these draft picks as PG Players. Please everyone, understand that we are not laying claim for these players getting drafted. Our job is to identify talented players, not to develop them, draft them or recruit them. That is why we use the term "attended PG events" rather than "PG Player". We don't deserve any credit for the vast majority of talented players who attend our events and go on to get College Scholarships or become draft picks. We understand that Justin Upton would have been what he is, with or without PG. For the most part, we didn't make them outstanding players. We just were lucky enough to watch them perform.
The credit should go to the many coaches, teams, teammates, instructors, parents and most of all, to the individual players themselves. Many of these players play in excellent summer and fall programs. Some of these draft picks owe a lot to those outstanding high level programs. Without those programs PG would miss a lot of talented players.
Last, but not least, people should really appreciate those who are involved in scouting for Major League Clubs and the many college coaches who scout and recruit hard. Without these people, we would all be wasting our time.
MLB Scouts and College Coaches are the most important people in this whole process. They are the people who make the most important decisions! Lucky for us is that they follow what we do very closely, whether they actually attend the events or not.
You see Diablo... We do not take credit for anything other than what is actually true! If you were in our shoes, would you keep these figures quiet and just keep reading the numbers released by others? We work much too hard to not care about these numbers. They shouldn't bother any GOOD baseball person. They sure don't bother those in the highest places who make the final decisions. In fact, those are our biggest boosters!
PGJerry....
You and your company do a terrific job and have done so for years.
You are to be commended.
Keep up the good work for the kids.
jp
You and your company do a terrific job and have done so for years.
You are to be commended.
Keep up the good work for the kids.
jp
PG, your org. does a good job. But also let me add.
Those Players would have still been drafted even without attending your events. Thats a fact jack!
Those Players would have still been drafted even without attending your events. Thats a fact jack!
say what you want, pg players get more recognition than anyone else.and thats what it's all about. and my son's never went to a pg event.
PG and his people certainly do not me to stand up for them and their operation but I will
I have nothing but the greatest respect for what they, PG, do and for people to come on here and just throw barbs simply says where their heads are at and I can tell you it is pretty dark in there.
Go for it PG
I have nothing but the greatest respect for what they, PG, do and for people to come on here and just throw barbs simply says where their heads are at and I can tell you it is pretty dark in there.
Go for it PG
No, 20 DAD, its the talent and the tools that are recognized, doesn't matter what event it is!
Vance, it sounds like you are still missing the point. You're right that "its the talent and the tools that are recognized". Of course PG or any other scouting organization will not get a kid drafted if he doesn't have the talent or tools. But he also won't get drafted, OR won't get drafted as high as he should, if the right people don't see him. PG's events attract the best players, which attracts the most scouts, which attracts the best players, which attracts the most scouts ... etc., etc.
It's great having friends!
The truth is, none of us really knows for sure what might have happened if a player did not attend a PG event. We only know what happened to those who did attend!
Who’s to say they might have been drafted in a different position or not at all. Here are some facts.
Our National Showcase has had over 60 first rounders in the past 5 years. For many of these players it is the very first time they’ve been seen by MLB Scouting Directors and top College programs. Yes, it’s their ability that gets them noticed, but the FACT is they’ve just been put on the National Stage! The East Coast Pro and Area Codes then picks up these players, some get selected for the Aflac Classic, and they become even higher profile prospects. It all has to start somewhere.
One thing should be obvious… Nearly every single high school player drafted in the first few rounds has participated in a PG event. So out of the millions who don’t attend PG events, the entire scouting community is finding one maybe two top round players.
We are not claiming credit for this, but don’t you find this rather odd! That nearly every top player has this one thing in common! It doesn’t make sense to think the same exact thing would have happened the same exact way, does it? Everything a player does has some kind of affect on his future.
In my last post you can read who we think is most responsible for the players talent. Someone still has to find them and evaluate them. That is what we do. Our evaluations are regarded highly by MLB clubs and colleges. Even the agents Vance!
Over 350 players who attended PG events were drafted in the 18 rounds yesterday. I can guarantee you, there are some who would not have been drafted in the first 18 rounds no matter what! Then there are many who might have been drafted, but in a different slot. Listen… Scouts, scout players. We respect scouts and what they do. We provide information to the scouting community. We have two thirds of the 30 MLB Scouting Directors on our committee. Guess someone could say we have nothing to do with the process, but that’s because they just don’t get it! We get way too many emails and calls thanking us for what has happened to their son. We tell every one of them... Thank your son, he is who is most responsible!
I don’t want to argue about this. I personally am not involved because of money so I wish that wasn't mentioned. If I were we wouldn’t spend as much as we do to improve what we do and we wouldn't live in such a high stress situation. Money is not enough of an incentive for me.
Watching young players succeed is what it’s all about. The draft is just one of many ways a young player can be successful. There are several former PG participants who later ended up working for us. It’s not all about pure talent, it’s about young men, especially good young men.
Here is an email I received yesterday (we get tons of them). This one is from a father who played professional baseball for 20 years including in several years in the Big Leagues. He has a son who was drafted yesterday. I asked him for permission to post this here, because this is what it’s all about. Go ahead and call it a trophy if you want!
Dear Jerry, Betty, Andy, Jason & the rest of the PG Family,
On behalf of my wife, Glenn and myself I wanted to drop you a note and thank you for all that you have done to enhance Glenn’s opportunities over the past few years. If it were not for the Sunshine East a couple years back I would not have even thought to put Glenn in these events. The entire experience led to him being drafted today and I cannot begin to describe the joy in his face. I am not sure what will happen from here, none of us do, but I do know that without people like yourselves not even this day could have been possible.
Thanks again
The Gibson Family
The truth is, none of us really knows for sure what might have happened if a player did not attend a PG event. We only know what happened to those who did attend!
Who’s to say they might have been drafted in a different position or not at all. Here are some facts.
Our National Showcase has had over 60 first rounders in the past 5 years. For many of these players it is the very first time they’ve been seen by MLB Scouting Directors and top College programs. Yes, it’s their ability that gets them noticed, but the FACT is they’ve just been put on the National Stage! The East Coast Pro and Area Codes then picks up these players, some get selected for the Aflac Classic, and they become even higher profile prospects. It all has to start somewhere.
One thing should be obvious… Nearly every single high school player drafted in the first few rounds has participated in a PG event. So out of the millions who don’t attend PG events, the entire scouting community is finding one maybe two top round players.
We are not claiming credit for this, but don’t you find this rather odd! That nearly every top player has this one thing in common! It doesn’t make sense to think the same exact thing would have happened the same exact way, does it? Everything a player does has some kind of affect on his future.
In my last post you can read who we think is most responsible for the players talent. Someone still has to find them and evaluate them. That is what we do. Our evaluations are regarded highly by MLB clubs and colleges. Even the agents Vance!
Over 350 players who attended PG events were drafted in the 18 rounds yesterday. I can guarantee you, there are some who would not have been drafted in the first 18 rounds no matter what! Then there are many who might have been drafted, but in a different slot. Listen… Scouts, scout players. We respect scouts and what they do. We provide information to the scouting community. We have two thirds of the 30 MLB Scouting Directors on our committee. Guess someone could say we have nothing to do with the process, but that’s because they just don’t get it! We get way too many emails and calls thanking us for what has happened to their son. We tell every one of them... Thank your son, he is who is most responsible!
I don’t want to argue about this. I personally am not involved because of money so I wish that wasn't mentioned. If I were we wouldn’t spend as much as we do to improve what we do and we wouldn't live in such a high stress situation. Money is not enough of an incentive for me.
Watching young players succeed is what it’s all about. The draft is just one of many ways a young player can be successful. There are several former PG participants who later ended up working for us. It’s not all about pure talent, it’s about young men, especially good young men.
Here is an email I received yesterday (we get tons of them). This one is from a father who played professional baseball for 20 years including in several years in the Big Leagues. He has a son who was drafted yesterday. I asked him for permission to post this here, because this is what it’s all about. Go ahead and call it a trophy if you want!
Dear Jerry, Betty, Andy, Jason & the rest of the PG Family,
On behalf of my wife, Glenn and myself I wanted to drop you a note and thank you for all that you have done to enhance Glenn’s opportunities over the past few years. If it were not for the Sunshine East a couple years back I would not have even thought to put Glenn in these events. The entire experience led to him being drafted today and I cannot begin to describe the joy in his face. I am not sure what will happen from here, none of us do, but I do know that without people like yourselves not even this day could have been possible.
Thanks again
The Gibson Family
