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Hey Batter,
I'm under no illusions that this administration will be moderate. I would have readily voted for a moderate democrat, especially given the conservative makeup of congress. Unfortunately, all we seem to get to choose between is a conservative republican or a liberal democrat. I believe that Clinton was electable because he was able to project himself as more of a moderate.
I told myself I was going to stay out of this thread but the ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY is just too much (ON BOTH SIDES).

In particular: HeyBatter !!!!

I've hereby demoted you to the status of "TROLL".

You've been complaining of the republicans of casting democrats as some for of demon when you are doing exactly the same thing. Not everyone is going to agree with your interpretation of things. The only people who do agree with you are the idiotic 13% of the nation who thinks Bush "STOLE" the 2004 election.

Concerning your question about the 18-24 year olds: I have spoken to 6 voters in the 18-24 year old range that did vote and another 12 who didn't.

The 12 who didn't were barely aware an election was taking place. They were a bit too self-absorbed to pay much attention to life outside of their particular self-interest area. Not what you would call "informed voters" ... for some, if it's not on MTV, they don't know about it.

Of the 6 who did vote, 4 voted for Bush ...

So go play your 60's political activism and troll away .... The rest of the nation has decided that the 60's ended in the 60's. The reason for the protest at the U of Col today is probably guilt that they didn't bother to participate in the election themselves.

To the other side:

You have NO MANDATE.... Government is about something that is sadly lacking in this thread. Compromise and co-operation. In the past 20 years the two parties have not demonstrated the ability to work together on anything. This is what has to cease. Good laws generally reflect concern for everyone. If one side decides not to participate, it's to everyones detriment.

I'm about ready for a Constitution Amendment banning both the Republicans and the Democrats and starting over with two NEW parties. The issues will remain the same, but the past history could be ignored.

If you're in the mood to leave the country because the Republicans won, then by all means do so ... if you have so little desire to ever participate in cooperative government where both sides have a voice, then you are of little value to any nation you may wish to live in.

Specifically for HeyBatter again. As I posted on another thread, posting your frustrations can be a bit CATHARTIC (adj 1: emotionally purging [syn: psychotherapeutic] 2: emotionally purging (of e.g. art) [syn: releasing] 3: strongly laxative [syn: evacuant, purgative] n : a purging medicine; stimulates evacuation of the bowels [syn: purgative, physic, aperient]) but I've had about all the "emotional bowel purging" I can stand.
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Originally posted by CADad:
CoachB25,
Isn't it time to convert them to your faith? (You are a practicing baseballer, I presume.) Smile


Everything you need to ever know about me can be found in the game of baseball. I do practice that! Having faith is a good thing. In my job, being a fanatic can undo so much good. I used to have the team pray before every game until I hurt one of my kid's feelings. He was of the Jewish faith. I NEVER WANT TO HURT ANY OF MY KIDS - FEELINGS OR OTHER WISE. I would never profess this election to be one of religion alone. The spin now is that the moral majority swung the tide. I hope our President realizes that, as with every relationship, there are demands. Congratulations to our PRESIDENT. Now, I'm back to baseball.
The above cartoon is the reason why President Bush won. It represents what the left wing liberals and old time media think of the average American. Real America knows that things are not nearly as bad as the democrats portrayed them. In fact we understand that things are overall pretty decent considering what this country has been through.

In my area unemployment is relatively nonexistent. It’s tough to find a place to park at the mall and good restaurants are packed. New houses are going up all over the place. And today comes the news that well over 300,000 new jobs were created this past month. In addition, revisions in the previous 2-month job reports proved many more jobs were actually created than previously recorded.

Anyone that understands basic economics should be amazed that the economy today is as strong as it is. The Bush administration inherited a recession and soon after 9-11 happened and its negative effects reverberated through the economy.

So anyway, the cartoon is outdated and as accurate as the early exit polls. It’s time for the liberals to quit wishing misery and failure upon the country and start working with us to create a safer, more moral and prosperous country for our children.
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370,000 new jobs in October. Nobody is coming to convert anybody. We are moving forward not backwards. The sky is not falling! Some of you (HeyBatter) seem near suicidal with depression. Get some prozac, boys. How do you expect anyone to work with your side when you guys are convinced that Bush is the Anti-Christ? Your predictions would be funny except that you actually seem to believe it which makes it just plain sad.
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Phoenix Dad- Thank you soooooooooooooooooooo
much for proving my point. I don't agree with you and so I should go away. biglaugh

And thanks for proving one of my other points. Throw a label on something/someone (troll) and that way you can just dismiss or kill it/them. That's an old tactic to dehumanize your "enemy" and allow you to "attack" them without conscience.

Anyway, thanks again.

And BTW is that you Bulah still taking shots at me. Why don't you go read the patriot act and get back to me later.
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Question to ponder: Why is it that if I agree with the political views espoused by the leaders of liberal thought that I am considered tolerant, but if I agree with views espoused by conservative leaders I am considered extremist?

And another: Why are the tolerant liberal thinkers so intolerant of conservative ideas & opinions?
HeyBatter,

You gotta start to lighten up, man. Your letting this get to you way too much and your creating scenarios in your mind that just aren't going to happen. We conservatives understand as we had to endure 8 years of the immoral shenanigans of Bill Clinton and I remember being really bummed when he got re-elected. We survived without defecting to Canada and you will too. Assume the lotus position and breathe. (I see liberals do that in movies and it always seems to help them relax.)
KellerDad,
Now you've found one of my hot buttons. One of the things that annoyed me most about the election coverage was when they were interviewing someone in the Kerry camapaign who was insisting that Kerry still had a chance in Florida and Ohio because the big cities still had their votes coming in. I had just checked the voting in Florida and the big city votes were already in and there was absolutely no chance of a change in the results. Even in Ohio enough votes were counted in the democratic counties that there was no way the results were going to change. Yet there he was lying about what was going on. I find it very hard to believe that someone high enough in the campaign to be their spokesman on national television wouldn't know what the trends were.

I believe by then the polls had closed on the West Coast so there wasn't even a reason to lie.
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HS- thanks for the advice Wink.

You know it's quite unfortunate in your ongoing comments about me, personally, that you don't really know anything about me. You continue to reach grotesquely incorrect conclusions, because you've presumed to label me (there goes that labeling again) as a liberal and we all know what those liberals do biglaugh

I appreciate your concern though.

I would also add that I respect that you think that George Bush is a good man and is doing the right thing. But he or through his father, has surrounded himself with people that give me pause for great concern. Quite simply in these people I see and feel I have witnessed the worst of the McCarthy era and Nixon administration/watergate administration come back to life (and then some).

The bottom line of my concern is that these are people who truly feel they know best, know better than the constitution etc. and wish to force their will and way of thinking upon this country and the world and without tolerance of differing ways. Just look at this thread and who clearly support Bush and who is telling who to "go away". I haven't told anyone to go away, I haven't told anyone not to post, I haven't discouraged anyone with asserting their position, all I've done is just assert mine and that doesn't seem to be tolerated. That's the whole problem and you can see from one post above the specific reference that tolerance got us into the mess we are in today. I see it exactly the opposite.

You, I, this thread, we all just have differences of opinion, that is what makes this country great. I'm not bothered that you or anyone else has a difference of opinion and my "fight", if you will, is that we keep being allowed to have those differences. I think the administration (and many posting on this thread) wants to homoginize us and that is, IMO, unamerican.
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HeyBatter,

Again, no one is plotting to take away your freedoms. As to labeling you, well, it's real safe to say you're not a conservative. You're in utter fear of a return to McCarthyinsm and/or the Nixon era, you believe the president is surrounded with Orwellian villains, so I'm gonna say your not exactly acting as a moderate. That leaves...liberal. Plus you're from LA, remember, what passes as moderate in LA is considered far left to the rest of us, so it's possible that you think your moderate comapred to your neighbors in LA but in reality your a liberal and didn't even realize it. Cool Lucky for you, I have incredible powers of preception and strong midwest values to help explain things to you. Big Grin
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There have been a few references about a "mandate" for George Bush from this election because he received 52% of the vote and naturally Kerry supporters correctly make their
point that 47% of the voters clearly did not want Bush to be president. Using the same logic-in 1992 nearly 57% of voters did NOT want Bill Clinton to be president and in 1996
over 50% did not want Clinton yet all we heard was "mandate" because of the wide gap in
electoral votes. You can't have it both ways. The majority of voters clearly wanted Bush
over Kerry by at least 5%.

I see posters with blinders on from both sides here---not unlike a parent evaluating their
son at a tryout. Looking for the positives and ignoring the negatives.

Facts are facts, period. And opinions are opinions, not necessarily based on facts.

No one's going to change their opinions about this election or Bush or Kerry by it sure
has brought out the worst in a lot of us.
After the Democratic Convention the HSBBWEB discussed the election ad-infinatum...

I predicted that Kerry would get skunked but no one would believe me.

After all is said and done most American people have a good idea that our culture is based upon moral constructs given to us by our founding fathers and those serve as a compass to keep us centered against to much decadence.

As long as the Demos continue to push their radical culture agenda including same se~x marriage they will remain mainly an East & West Coast Regional Party. Zell Miller has it right when he says that the Demos are no longer a National Party.

This country would have had conservative presidents from Reagan to GW Bush if it hadn't been for Ross Perot bleeding off so many Republicans during the Clinton, vs HW Bush campaigns.

The only people who really think they have a lock on influencing a liberal agenda on our American culture are the news media types. We all witnessed how dishonest, deceitful and down-right treasonous they are in their attempts to shove their Hollywood **** down our throats.

I won't say I told you so...but what the hey, I told you so!
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Originally posted by BlueDog:
"You may want to look up the word bigot in the dictionary."

Nah........I'm just one of the many who just put Bush back in office.......You know, the majority.......Now, we'll fix the problem in our courts by appointing some new judges......Oh, and you're welcome!!!.... Smile



You're welcome? For what the soon to come shredding of the constitution? The gutting of the bill of rights? Rape of the environment? Obliteration of the wall between chruch & state. Creating the Christian version of Iran? Thanks a whole *&^%ing lot. If I salute it will only be with part of my hand. Care to guess which part?
quote:
Originally posted by voodoochile:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueDog:
"You may want to look up the word bigot in the dictionary."

Nah........I'm just one of the many who just put Bush back in office.......You know, the majority.......Now, we'll fix the problem in our courts by appointing some new judges......Oh, and you're welcome!!!.... Smile



You're welcome? For what the soon to come shredding of the constitution? The gutting of the bill of rights? Rape of the environment? Obliteration of the wall between chruch & state. Creating the Christian version of Iran? Thanks a whole *&#%ing lot. If I salute it will only be with part of my hand. Care to guess which part?
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quote:
Originally posted by voodoochile:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueDog:
"You may want to look up the word bigot in the dictionary."

Nah........I'm just one of the many who just put Bush back in office.......You know, the majority.......Now, we'll fix the problem in our courts by appointing some new judges......Oh, and you're welcome!!!.... Smile



You're welcome? For what the soon to come shredding of the constitution? The gutting of the bill of rights? Rape of the environment? Obliteration of the wall between chruch & state. Creating the Christian version of Iran? Thanks a whole *&#%ing lot. If I salute it will only be with part of my hand. Care to guess which part?
quote:
Originally posted by voodoochile:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by voodoochile:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueDog:
"You may want to look up the word bigot in the dictionary."

Nah........I'm just one of the many who just put Bush back in office.......You know, the majority.......Now, we'll fix the problem in our courts by appointing some new judges......Oh, and you're welcome!!!.... Smile



You're welcome? For what the soon to come shredding of the constitution? The gutting of the bill of rights? Rape of the environment? Obliteration of the wall between chruch & state. Creating the Christian version of Iran? Thanks a whole *&#%ing lot. If I salute it will only be with part of my hand. Care to guess which part?

Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%).

The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues.

At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3 chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the 2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
(Montana House) is still undecided.

Over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore. Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of surprise in 2008.
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