Anyone know the specifics on the reason?
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Investigation to last several months....
Doesn't sound good.
From UC Davis statement sounds like it was an issue within the team as they are looking to "determine the best path forward to provide a safe and inclusive experience for all team members".
For a safe and inclusive experience everyone needs to get in a circle, hold hands and sing Kumbayah.
Geez! Life isn’t always fair. Instead of cowering in a corner man up and figure out how you’re going to overcome the obstacles.
No wonder so many kids come out of college soft now!
@RJM posted:No wonder so many kids come out of college soft now!
I guess I’m just lucky, but the young people I know who have graduated college in the past 10 years (and those who haven’t) are far and away much better people and citizens than my generation (low bar?). They’re smarter, more resourceful, more adaptable, more thoughtful, better parents, and much kinder… much much kinder.
If it's hazing, that's a fine line for me.
Some say making the rookie walk to the bullpen at the start of every game with a pink Hello Kitty backpack full of gum and stuff is hazing. To me, that's crap. That's not hazing, it's tradition.
That being said, I recall a NJ HS football program getting in trouble because upper classmates were pinning down freshman in training camp and sticking bananas in their rectums. Now, that's hazing and cannot be tolerated at all.
@MidAtlanticDad posted:I guess I’m just lucky, but the young people I know who have graduated college in the past 10 years (and those who haven’t) are far and away much better people and citizens than my generation (low bar?). They’re smarter, more resourceful, more adaptable, more thoughtful, better parents, and much kinder… much much kinder.
Omg 100% on this.
@Francis7 posted:If it's hazing, that's a fine line for me.
Some say making the rookie walk to the bullpen at the start of every game with a pink Hello Kitty backpack full of gum and stuff is hazing. To me, that's crap. That's not hazing, it's tradition.
That being said, I recall a NJ HS football program getting in trouble because upper classmates were pinning down freshman in training camp and sticking bananas in their rectums. Now, that's hazing and cannot be tolerated at all.
If it's was the latter wouldn't the police be investigating? For all parties involved, I hope some mom upset about her kid's playing time and crappy freshman year (wasn't UC Davis remote learning all year?) is choosing to focus her frustrations on some perceived hazing. I"m hoping it was the backpack
Hopefully it is not a relative of "IAMTHATGUY" that was the whistleblower.
@LousyLefty posted:From UC Davis statement sounds like it was an issue within the team as they are looking to "determine the best path forward to provide a safe and inclusive experience for all team members".
Wow. Cancel culture strikes again - at least that’s what it sounds like. Most people would be amazed at some of the things that go on in a college athletic program (both good and bad). But if you aren’t part of the program it’s really none of your business.
@MidAtlanticDad posted:I guess I’m just lucky, but the young people I know who have graduated college in the past 10 years (and those who haven’t) are far and away much better people and citizens than my generation (low bar?). They’re smarter, more resourceful, more adaptable, more thoughtful, better parents, and much kinder… much much kinder.
In my personal experience I would agree. It’s probably because we’re around kids who are/were mostly disciplined athletes with goals. But in general too many college kids are coming out soft with helicopter and/or snowplow parents.
@adbono posted:Wow. Cancel culture strikes again - at least that’s what it sounds like. Most people would be amazed at some of the things that go on in a college athletic program (both good and bad). But if you aren’t part of the program it’s really none of your business.
Baylor basketball says hi!
@2022NYC posted:Hopefully it is not a relative of "IAMTHATGUY" that was the whistleblower.
We fully support hazing as long as it's in good fun.
@OskiSD posted:Baylor basketball says hi!
Some of the things that went on at Baylor under Dave Bliss (who appears to be certifiably nuts) were horrific. So they got rid of Bliss and the problem players and moved on. They didn’t cancel the program. Don’t get me wrong - I’m not a Baylor apologist. I don’t care for Baylor in the least. I’m just not in favor of folding up a program when times get tough.
@adbono posted:Wow. Cancel culture strikes again - at least that’s what it sounds like. Most people would be amazed at some of the things that go on in a college athletic program (both good and bad). But if you aren’t part of the program it’s really none of your business.
"Part of the program" would include the actual university, with its rules and policies. It is certainly their business.
@anotherparent posted:"Part of the program" would include the actual university, with its rules and policies. It is certainly their business.
I agree with that
@MidAtlanticDad posted:I guess I’m just lucky, but the young people I know who have graduated college in the past 10 years (and those who haven’t) are far and away much better people and citizens than my generation (low bar?). They’re smarter, more resourceful, more adaptable, more thoughtful, better parents, and much kinder… much much kinder.
Yeah I'd say your really lucky, or....
I work at a job where I've employed a lot of HS/college kids over the years. A lot.
So back to the "or", or you are a really pathetic human being. Because I've found 99% of those kids I've employed to be lazy, all about me, and resoundingly incompetent.
@SomeBaseballDad posted:Yeah I'd say your really lucky, or....
I work at a job where I've employed a lot of HS/college kids over the years. A lot.
So back to the "or", or you are a really pathetic human being. Because I've found 99% of those kids I've employed to be lazy, all about me, and resoundingly incompetent.
You just provided evidence MidAtlanticDad observation about Gen Z is correct. No need to call someone pathetic. It does nothing to persuade anyone and it’s not kind. A comment like that isn’t what this board is about.
@LousyLefty posted:You just provided evidence MidAtlanticDad observation about Gen Z is correct. No need to call someone pathetic. It does nothing to persuade anyone and it’s not kind. A comment like that isn’t what this board is about.
Stop being a meanie…I need a safe space now
@old_school posted:Stop being a meanie…I need a safe space now
Don't worry you are safe here!
I don't think that LL was being a meanie, just truthful.
@SomeBaseballDad posted:Yeah I'd say your really lucky, or....
I work at a job where I've employed a lot of HS/college kids over the years. A lot.
So back to the "or", or you are a really pathetic human being. Because I've found 99% of those kids I've employed to be lazy, all about me, and resoundingly incompetent.
How pumped up do you expect an employee to get for $10-12 per hour? If you fire them there are plenty of other jobs available.
Heard a rumor through some ballplayers who "know some players" (so take that for what it's worth). What they described to son would be a little bit more than Hello Kitty backpack, but def not what I would consider on the level of the banana situation. As with all pranks, there are ways I could see it going sideways and someone getting hurt, as can happen with a game of tag really. I tend to believe this is somewhat close to the truth as the UC Davis police are not involved in the investigation, which (I think) rules out drugs, drinking, assault of any kind, as those would all be a criminal investigation.
Hopefully this is true and they can move on quickly during a critical recruiting period for an already struggling program.
Edited: removing my post; it doesn't belong here with the rest of the civil discourse
Maybe you guys should take this "discussion" to private messages. One thing to consider taking into those discussions. It's possible - if not likely - that both @SomeBaseballDad and @MidAtlanticDad speak some truth. I have been a hiring manager for about the last 15 years. It's not at all unfair to generally categorize the generation in question as "lazy, all about me, and incompetent." My experience shows the majority are this way. It's far more true than not. "Much kinder… much much kinder."? Yes, that's also the case, but being kind doesn't do anything to make a person less lazy, less entitled, or less incompetent. Being kind is a GREAT trait and I'm glad the world is getting more of it, but being kind is a helluva lot easier to pull off than hard work and competence. I'll take it one level deeper. I love my son DEARLY. He gets good grades, stays out of trouble, is kind to others, and works extremely hard for BASEBALL. He is an overall good person. More positive than negative. But he is very much part of this lazy generation. He is too often "all about me" and is largely incompetent when it comes to things outside of school and baseball. It's going to take a lot more than kindness for him to navigate successfully through life.
@DanJ posted:He gets good grades, stays out of trouble, is kind to others, and works extremely hard for BASEBALL. He is an overall good person. More positive than negative. But he is very much part of this lazy generation. He is too often "all about me" and is largely incompetent when it comes to things outside of school and baseball. It's going to take a lot more than kindness for him to navigate successfully through life.
Change the pronoun and sport and you are describing ME as a senior in HS. I think it's more an age/maturity thing than generational. (and also I noticed in the absence of my sport in my mid-20's, the same competitive drive transferred to work/projects/etc. Maybe "drive" has finite levels?)
Too bad there aren't archived internet boards of the the previous generation saying the same things about US. I'm guessing they thought we were losers too
Oh, I am definitely not holier than thou. Did my father's generation think me and my generation was less than his? Absolutely. But he was right. I am nowhere near the person my father is when it comes to drive, self-reliance and competence. And my father can't touch his father when it comes to such things. There's a clearly visible trend here and it won't give anyone warm fuzzies for the future. We can be restating what previous generation's parents said, and still be right.
@DanJ posted:Oh, I am definitely not holier than thou. Did my father's generation think me and my generation was less than his? Absolutely. But he was right. I am nowhere near the person my father is when it comes to drive, self-reliance and competence. And my father can't touch his father when it comes to such things. There's a clearly visible trend here and it won't give anyone warm fuzzies for the future. We can be restating what previous generation's parents said, and still be right.
How do I like this response more than one time?! Spot on IMO
I have to remind myself who is raising this next generation. Mine. We are teaching our kids, as a whole, manners, respect, work ethic, maturity, and decision making skills. We allow them to sit around and play video games rather than the things my generation where I was raised were taught. this generation did not create the everybody gets a trophy, we did.
However there are many exceptions and my oldest son is one of them. I’m a fairly successful man and at 27 he has done incredible things with his professional life already that far exceed what I have done. There is no way that he could work any harder or be more responsible. If I listed his accomplishments to date most on here wouldn’t believe it. So I won’t. I do worry about lack of balance in his life though as his social and dating life take too much of a backseat to his business interests.
I think the young generation is more stratified than past generations. The hardest working of this generation are truly amazing - they are far more advanced and accomplished in any area I can think of - mathematics, computer science, theater, art, sports... you name it. But many, many young people are unequipped to succeed as adults and are being left behind for any number of reasons - lazy parenting, helicopter/lawn mower parenting, single person parenting, poverty, poor adult examples, poor effort in the classroom, entitlement... again, you name it. The difference in skills, capabilities and effort between the top and rest is going to drive income disparity further than it is today.
I think a lot depends where you live and how you raise your children.
If you do everything for them, they become lazy. Both my daughter's friends of her generation (GenX) and sons, Millenium are successful, well educated and very nice people. That's not to say that at some point they were lazy and just wanted to be kids.
That has absolutely nothing to do with coming by every once in a while with a nasty attutude. You get back what you give out.
JMO
I'll add to this thread drift......
I think that there is truth on both sides of this argument, we always look fondly on the past generations and skeptically on the current generation(s). Isn't this the way it always goes?? Generational change is hard on all of us.
What gives me comfort is knowing that many of these young men and women are not soft and self centered.....
I'm very fortunate to have the privilege of flying these young people all over the world to their duty stations and back. I deliver selfless warriors to some of the crappiest places on earth to defend all of us and these young people are good at it!! We are all very lucky to have these kids on the front line, protecting of our country and the freedom we enjoy here.
Don't be fooled, just because their skill sets are different than ours, that doesn't mean that the job isn't getting done.......... I sleep well at night knowing that our youth are on watch, and hope that you do as well.
PS. The best part of my job is bringing these kids back to the USA!!!!
I will say that my 2021 college grad has grown up as much in 2 months of the real world the as he did in 4 years of college. He has already learned that many of his professors had no clue and that his drive and killer networking will drive his career….I wasn’t impressed with academia before he went to school and I less impressed now.
I do think playing baseball was outstanding lessons for him as he translates them to the real world.
@2020Lefty posted:I'll add to this thread drift......
I think that there is truth on both sides of this argument, we always look fondly on the past generations and skeptically on the current generation(s). Isn't this the way it always goes?? Generational change is hard on all of us.
What gives me comfort is knowing that many of these young men and women are not soft and self centered.....
I'm very fortunate to have the privilege of flying these young people all over the world to their duty stations and back. I deliver selfless warriors to some of the crappiest places on earth to defend all of us and these young people are good at it!! We are all very lucky to have these kids on the front line, protecting of our country and the freedom we enjoy here.
Don't be fooled, just because their skill sets are different than ours, that doesn't mean that the job isn't getting done.......... I sleep well at night knowing that our youth are on watch, and hope that you do as well.
PS. The best part of my job is bringing these kids back to the USA!!!!
That is very cool!
@2020Lefty posted:I'll add to this thread drift......
I think that there is truth on both sides of this argument, we always look fondly on the past generations and skeptically on the current generation(s). Isn't this the way it always goes?? Generational change is hard on all of us.
What gives me comfort is knowing that many of these young men and women are not soft and self centered.....
I'm very fortunate to have the privilege of flying these young people all over the world to their duty stations and back. I deliver selfless warriors to some of the crappiest places on earth to defend all of us and these young people are good at it!! We are all very lucky to have these kids on the front line, protecting of our country and the freedom we enjoy here.
Don't be fooled, just because their skill sets are different than ours, that doesn't mean that the job isn't getting done.......... I sleep well at night knowing that our youth are on watch, and hope that you do as well.
PS. The best part of my job is bringing these kids back to the USA!!!!
I wonder if these kids, raised on Twitter and Reddit, will be able to keep their threads on topic? 😇
@2020Lefty posted:I'll add to this thread drift......
I think that there is truth on both sides of this argument, we always look fondly on the past generations and skeptically on the current generation(s). Isn't this the way it always goes?? Generational change is hard on all of us.
What gives me comfort is knowing that many of these young men and women are not soft and self centered.....
I'm very fortunate to have the privilege of flying these young people all over the world to their duty stations and back. I deliver selfless warriors to some of the crappiest places on earth to defend all of us and these young people are good at it!! We are all very lucky to have these kids on the front line, protecting of our country and the freedom we enjoy here.
Don't be fooled, just because their skill sets are different than ours, that doesn't mean that the job isn't getting done.......... I sleep well at night knowing that our youth are on watch, and hope that you do as well.
PS. The best part of my job is bringing these kids back to the USA!!!!
I employ many of these kids after they are done their service, I don't find them to be much different then any other kids of the generation. Some are great and highly motivated but many more aren't, my biggest issue would be most are focused on the now and short term items and have no concept of the long game...they don't understand it takes time to learn, build and cultivate relationships. If it doesn't happen immediately they are ready to cut and move. I guess it is a lesson that needs to be learned but time is different at age 22 vs 40 or 60.
FWIW, I'm 58. Worked my tail off my entire life since I was 14. But, I have two buddies from HS who are the same age who have never worked a real job for more than one year in their life. So...go figure.
The one thing that I do believe is true is that MOST (but not all!) are younger today maturity wise than previous generations.
In 1958, being 18 was the equivalent of being 27 today. In 1980, being 18 was the equivalent of being 25 today. And, today's 18 year olds are like being 14 in 1980 or 12 in 1958. Again...in terms of maturity and emotionally.
I think it's because people had in rougher in the past and living FOR MANY today is easier...except for the unfortunate.
The Pareto principle will also apply to the kids in this discussion, since we are al using anecdotal observations, I will not show my numbers getting to 80/20.