would a D1 school provide a recruit with an NLI if at time of doing so HS player was far below academic standards (classroom and standardized test scores)to be admitted into same school?
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quote:Originally posted by ne14bb:
would a D1 school provide a recruit with an NLI if at time of doing so HS player was far below academic standards (classroom and standardized test scores)to be admitted into same school?
Not sure I fully understand your question, but should be under no circumstances if the player is not D1 eligible by Clearinghouse.
Years ago many players got in under the wire, but with new NCAA limits on rosters and scholarship, coaches want to recruit players they know will remain eligible at that particular school.
I am not understanding why someone would want to attend a program that is not a good academic fit.
sounds like someone might have told them that a certain player signed an NLI at a school, but they know that the player is not a great student and the school is a very good accademic school and they are wondering if the school would really offer that player...am I close ne14bb?
Yes that pretty much is the situation. Could question the skill for the level and tough conference especially but poor grades have never been a secret.
So why would a school offer an NLI and scholarship even with null and void academic clauses protecting them?
Is there such a thing as "feel good" NLI offers or courtesy offers when colleges know they won't have to honor them? BTW, I sure hope not but this is not making much sense.
So why would a school offer an NLI and scholarship even with null and void academic clauses protecting them?
Is there such a thing as "feel good" NLI offers or courtesy offers when colleges know they won't have to honor them? BTW, I sure hope not but this is not making much sense.
do you know for a fact that they signed an NLI or is it just by someones word right now? Cant always believe what people say about scholarships, did the school post their signing class online yet?
quote:Originally posted by ne14bb:
Yes that pretty much is the situation. Could question the skill for the level and tough conference especially but poor grades have never been a secret.
So why would a school offer an NLI and scholarship even with null and void academic clauses protecting them?
Is there such a thing as "feel good" NLI offers or courtesy offers when colleges know they won't have to honor them? BTW, I sure hope not but this is not making much sense.
Couple of things, do you know for a fact that the player signed? Is it listed with the school or somewhere else.
Maybe 3FG will say I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that the player, if he signed had to have been D1 eligible. A player can have poor grades, but if he has taken advanced classes, he would get by the clearinghouse. Could be he is borderline, and the NLI will give him incentive to have a good senior year.
With so many good players out there, with good grades, not sure why a coach would sign a player he felt may not attend, but it is possible if he is eligible.
Yes, that is what raised the initial questions. The D1 team website just posted a release and this player is not listed or even mentioned as a prospect.
And yes, could be the NLI has been offered as an incentive to improve upon his grades. However, this is a player who every HS season has had to sit out games due to academic problems and it is a soft class load. I don't know NCAA clearinghouse eligibility criteria but the whispers are this player would have difficulty reaching them.
Just not adding up aside from average skills with what has been pictured and printed in papers about signing an NLIwith scholarship.
Not for nothing but we all know bigger deceptions and hype jobs have happened before just hope that is not the case and some kind of NLI arrangement that makes sense really took place.
And yes, could be the NLI has been offered as an incentive to improve upon his grades. However, this is a player who every HS season has had to sit out games due to academic problems and it is a soft class load. I don't know NCAA clearinghouse eligibility criteria but the whispers are this player would have difficulty reaching them.
Just not adding up aside from average skills with what has been pictured and printed in papers about signing an NLIwith scholarship.
Not for nothing but we all know bigger deceptions and hype jobs have happened before just hope that is not the case and some kind of NLI arrangement that makes sense really took place.
I know of a player who commited to a top DI school this summer and was told he will have to wait till June to sign his NLI, so he has the time to get his grades up and make it through the clearing house, however his skill level is not in question at all and will surely be drafted this June just a matter of how high. You seem to feel this player does not have the skill or the grades to be signed by the school in question, but if its just a matter of grades it could be a simular situation where they are making him wait till june to see if he can make it through the clearing house
Suppose for sake of trying to figure this out, I change the question to where he has the skills but poor grades remain as that is not speculative. It still begs the question why he would be in paper during early signing period (not June) with college gear on signing what is said to be an NLI and that college team makes no mention of him in NLI signings. Press picture gives the perception it is legitimate but perception is not always reality.
A player can sign an NLI without having been accepted yet to the school. If the player does not get accepted to the school, the NLI is voided.
I'm not sure why anyone would want a player to wait until June to sign an NLI. If the player doesn't get accepted, that scholarship money opens up, NLI or not.
The only proviso with the clearinghouse, is that you be registered when you sign your NLI. Final certification doesn't occur until after graduation.
I'm not sure why anyone would want a player to wait until June to sign an NLI. If the player doesn't get accepted, that scholarship money opens up, NLI or not.
The only proviso with the clearinghouse, is that you be registered when you sign your NLI. Final certification doesn't occur until after graduation.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ne14bb:
Yes, that is what raised the initial questions. The D1 team website just posted a release and this player is not listed or even mentioned as a prospect./QUOTE]
There ya go, no mention of the signee, no NLI, someone is jerking you around.
It's been a long time since son was registered with the clearinghouse, but I remember them putting down at the time what divisions he was eligible for, with the information they received, true, nothing is written in stone until you et clearing house approval, but isn't this sort of a tool for coaches to figure out who to recruit and who not too?
Yes, that is what raised the initial questions. The D1 team website just posted a release and this player is not listed or even mentioned as a prospect./QUOTE]
There ya go, no mention of the signee, no NLI, someone is jerking you around.
It's been a long time since son was registered with the clearinghouse, but I remember them putting down at the time what divisions he was eligible for, with the information they received, true, nothing is written in stone until you et clearing house approval, but isn't this sort of a tool for coaches to figure out who to recruit and who not too?
quote:A player can sign an NLI without having been accepted yet to the school.
That coupled with TPM's logic where the college team makes no mention of the player as an early NLI signee (or at all), adds up to my perception there has been a deception.
This will play out publicly I am sure and sadly yet aptly, will leave a black-eye on player, parents and HS. If so I don't get it why anyone would put their kid through this as it goes against the basics of parenting in trying to protect your child from such scrutiny. Just boggles the mind with hopes it is not a sign of the times.
Unfortunetly, there are cicumstances where parents cannot face the truth.
It could very well be that an agreement was made, for the player to try to improve his senior year, and an NLI presented later on.
Again, I am not sure if an NLI can be signed outside of the two signing periods, 3FG can help with this one so that means he must improve by then if so.
Recently, a player commited to UF was ineligible, I do not know whether an NLI was signed, though reports were there was a commitment on the schools part. The player was drafted, but I think chose the JUCO route.
It could very well be that an agreement was made, for the player to try to improve his senior year, and an NLI presented later on.
Again, I am not sure if an NLI can be signed outside of the two signing periods, 3FG can help with this one so that means he must improve by then if so.
Recently, a player commited to UF was ineligible, I do not know whether an NLI was signed, though reports were there was a commitment on the schools part. The player was drafted, but I think chose the JUCO route.
quote:I do not know whether an NLI was signed,
Yes, it was.
TPM,
"IF" pans out to be a deception I agree about parents not facing the truth. As mind boggling as that is how about the HS publicizing the "NLI Signing and offer of a scholarship" and HS coach doing same. Both had to know the players academics would make it difficult if not impossible to get admission into this college yet they are the ones promoting it on their HS website.
Note- picture shown was not taken at the HS but looks like players home. There is no proof from picture he is signing an NLI or scholarship offer so these are smaller red flags of deception.
The REAL BIG RED FLAG being if an NLI was signed there is NO mention of it from college. Two WEBSites offering two different stories makes this too easy...
"Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive."
"IF" pans out to be a deception I agree about parents not facing the truth. As mind boggling as that is how about the HS publicizing the "NLI Signing and offer of a scholarship" and HS coach doing same. Both had to know the players academics would make it difficult if not impossible to get admission into this college yet they are the ones promoting it on their HS website.
Note- picture shown was not taken at the HS but looks like players home. There is no proof from picture he is signing an NLI or scholarship offer so these are smaller red flags of deception.
The REAL BIG RED FLAG being if an NLI was signed there is NO mention of it from college. Two WEBSites offering two different stories makes this too easy...
"Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive."
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Again, I am not sure if an NLI can be signed outside of the two signing periods...
Signing is only permitted within the signing periods.
Wow, if this really is deception, how sad for the player.
I was told that an NLI signing ceremony must take place at the high school. Is that true?
I was told that an NLI signing ceremony must take place at the high school. Is that true?
quote:Originally posted by 2Bmom:
Wow, if this really is deception, how sad for the player.
I was told that an NLI signing ceremony must take place at the high school. Is that true?
Not sure if that is true, a player can sign anywhere he wants, just not near the coach who signed him, I do beleive he needs a witness though.
Isn't the last signing period in April? If so, then the player who said he committed and will sign in June is wrong.
Ok, here's my understanding, a player that has eligibility issues has all summer after graduation to become eligible to get grades up or improve his tests scores, right up until first day of school.
Signing players with issues is not common, but not uncommon either.
However, the player signing is still recognized as a signee, and DOES NOT have to be announced along with the other signees.
Signing players with issues is not common, but not uncommon either.
However, the player signing is still recognized as a signee, and DOES NOT have to be announced along with the other signees.
The normal (as opposed to early) signing period falls between April 14, 2010 and August 1, 2010. So there is a big window in which to sign a NLI.
This thread discusses ways in which an apparent non-qualifier can end up being a qualifier. As TPM says, some deficiencies can be corrected, provided it is done before entering college.
I know of one player who obviously didn't have the grades to qualify, and was belatedly diagnosed with learning disabilities. With that diagnosis, and some remedial study, he could have entered a D1 college, although he chose to go the JC route.
This thread discusses ways in which an apparent non-qualifier can end up being a qualifier. As TPM says, some deficiencies can be corrected, provided it is done before entering college.
I know of one player who obviously didn't have the grades to qualify, and was belatedly diagnosed with learning disabilities. With that diagnosis, and some remedial study, he could have entered a D1 college, although he chose to go the JC route.
Great thread link 3finger.
Seems possible this player could sign an NLI which may have some provisional roadblocks from the college to make it null and void.
Also seems possible given the great feedback on here, and posters who are aware of similar public NLI promotions, he did not sign an NLI but may have been told college is interested if he gets grades up etc..
As it seems all bases as to why a college might consider this have been covered here fairly well and it does seem possible it can and has been done.
Last questions for posters then time to close this out from my end at least.
What are the chances a D1 college respected for its baseball as well as its academic standards, would hand over to the HS player described an NLI "to sign" in the early signing period?
Offer a %: of chance that could happen?
Second %: would be chance this player will be admitted into same college?
Third %: chance they will survive academically and keep playing BB?
Feel free to end this minus any need for %%%%%!
Seems possible this player could sign an NLI which may have some provisional roadblocks from the college to make it null and void.
Also seems possible given the great feedback on here, and posters who are aware of similar public NLI promotions, he did not sign an NLI but may have been told college is interested if he gets grades up etc..
As it seems all bases as to why a college might consider this have been covered here fairly well and it does seem possible it can and has been done.
Last questions for posters then time to close this out from my end at least.
What are the chances a D1 college respected for its baseball as well as its academic standards, would hand over to the HS player described an NLI "to sign" in the early signing period?
Offer a %: of chance that could happen?
Second %: would be chance this player will be admitted into same college?
Third %: chance they will survive academically and keep playing BB?
Feel free to end this minus any need for %%%%%!
There's a kid from our high school who has signed to play football at an academically prestigious southern college in a major conference. If you talk to the kid you walk away thinking he's dumber than a bag of rocks. He's not the least bit articulate. He once assaulted a police officer. I don't know if he's secured an adequate SAT score to be eligible yet. He gets B's in remedial classes. For some college coaches, they see what they want and it's about winning. I have my money down on he doesn't return for soph year if he even gets there in the first place.
Based on great feedback and great links to others this HS player "could have" signed an NLI and the college is either hoping he raises his academics prior to attending or has clauses to make the NLI null and void. Sounds like he may also have other ways of bypassing his grades and getting in (though the talent would not warrant it).
Seems most posters agree the % is too high this college with a solid academic reputation and a top level D1 baseball program would have "signed" this level of player with academic baggage in an early signing period. Then ignore mentioning him on their website....but... it does seem remotely possible so he gets the benfit of the doubt where the truth will play out good, bad or downright ugly months from now. Thanks for feedback.
Seems most posters agree the % is too high this college with a solid academic reputation and a top level D1 baseball program would have "signed" this level of player with academic baggage in an early signing period. Then ignore mentioning him on their website....but... it does seem remotely possible so he gets the benfit of the doubt where the truth will play out good, bad or downright ugly months from now. Thanks for feedback.
Sorry, did not mean to be redundant in last post. I did not see a previous post (similar) posted when I added the last one.