for a 9/10 year old pitcher, what is average and what is above average? And what is expected increase year after year? Thanks
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It depends on if you're talking about a general population or elite level players. I don't think anyone has stats on the general population. It would vary pretty widely anyway. As far as more elite players the guy has done some research I guess. http://www.yougoprobaseball.co...should-i-be-pitching
I can't even believe that I am going to respond to this, but here I am. Why on earth and everything under the sun would anyone be interested or concerned about the velocity of a 9/10yr old pitcher?? What possibly could the velocity of that age matter or that anyone could even notice? I swear I think some parents have TOTALLY lost it sometimes when it comes to their kids especially when it comes to their athletic abilities. Be more concerned about how much fun he's having with his friends or pet dog. And as far as "elite level" 9/10yr old ball players? I couldn't think of a better oxymoron than that. lol
Okay, I feel better now.
YGD
Eric Cressey tweet from 2013: "Putting a radar gun on a 14-year-old pitcher is the very definition of studying for the wrong test"
Brensdad posted:for a 9/10 year old pitcher, what is average and what is above average? And what is expected increase year after year? Thanks
Honestly, there is no way to tell and I wouldn't concern myself with it. The hardest throwers, biggest hitters, etc. at younger ages can almost always be attributed to physical maturity. I have seen a big stong kid (5'10") throw 70 mph at 11 years-old and still be 5'10" at age 13 and throw 72 mph. My point is that things don't even out until around 16 years-old so just focus and solid fundamentals and make sure that your kid has fun playing in a positive and healthy environment.
The best velocity measurements for 9/10 year olds is how fast you let them take time off in the off-season to do anything besides baseball.
This is the HIGH SCHOOL BB Web people. All of this stuff about 9/10's and "elite" 13/14 travel teams belongs on the Baseball Fever board.
Can we stop with the snotty responses? The guy just asked a question. We need to stop reading into people's motives and directing their lives.
Teaching Elder posted:Can we stop with the snotty responses? The guy just asked a question. We need to stop reading into people's motives and directing their lives.
@Teaching - Agreed!
Well lets see, just a question, some of you a little too fired up. There is not one of you who was not curious enough to ask when your 9 year old first started playing competitive ball. So lets just chill out, a simple question as to whether 30 mph is average or 80, or likely in between.
And regardless of what is posted above there is likely some correlation between early velocity and later velocity. No doubt, not an exact science, but certainly an indication of things to come.
And if you ask why would a person want to know... Well that question could be asked up and down these forums.
MTH posted:This is the HIGH SCHOOL BB Web people. All of this stuff about 9/10's and "elite" 13/14 travel teams belongs on the Baseball Fever board.
I guess I have to come back next year! I think what belongs on here is whatever people want to have fun talking about. Including 9/10 year old velocity. Feel free to think its not wise to worry about but if some people want to talk about it what's wrong with that? To the OP 50mph at 9 is pretty fast. There we answered his question without insulting him! That wasn't so hard was it? Now we can feel free to give him additional advice at which point he can heed it or reject it. Its a free country. Just a side note, the kids my son has played with at 9 and 10 who threw hard are the same kids throwing hard at 14! Now we will see what happens over the next few years. The high school years! I will then be able to talk about it on this site legally!
hshuler posted:Teaching Elder posted:Can we stop with the snotty responses? The guy just asked a question. We need to stop reading into people's motives and directing their lives.
@Teaching - Agreed!
Just saw these two responses after making my post... good for both of you! Agree or disagree we should be welcoming to new posters. And every human being deserves some simple kindness.
I have seen no indication that velo of sub-teens correlates with later velo (e.g., HS velo).
What I did notice is that the "higher velo" sub- teen pitchers got well used - really really well used.
Looking back, my S did begin pitching as a nine year old. He was able to get the ball to the catcher on a fairly regular basis - with a noticeable arc. He did get low keyed lessons from guys who just taught him reasonable form and no breaking pitches.
I freely (though sheepishly admit) that I was the dad who bought the cheap radar gun when he was 10. While I now understand how ridiculous it looked - for the first kid going through the baseball process, there was no road map and it can get pretty intense.
Measuring velo doesn't get you anywhere; building enthusiasm, playing catch, hitting grounders and fly balls to your son, and decent low keyed lessons bring big dividends and create wonderful parent/son bonding experiences.
Welcome to the site! We can all be gruff looking backwards in time; but enjoy that first journey; perhaps it's a first step to a decades long family activity!
Brensdad! Strikes at just about any velocity are great pitches at 9/10. Play keeps moving, fun for the kids, fun for the parents. Certainly more skill development when the ball is moving around and in-play. In most games, the team with the least walks plus the least errors will almost always win the game.
Do heed the multiple posts about not pitching any one kid very much. Read up and follow ASMI guidelines for pitch counts. Educate the other parents if you can. http://www.asmi.org/research.p...on=positionStatement I am sure there are many parents on this board who would do things differently if they could go back in time.
If you stick around, you will hear this a lot.....Enjoy the Ride!
Some of the kids who threw hard at 9/10 are absolutely still some of the hardest throwers at 14, which is my son's age. As a mentioned in my previous post, some haven't gained much velocity since. Now, that doesn't mean that they won't make a big jump in velocity over the next couple of years.
There are also some kids with average arm strength who have gained tremendous velocity in a short period of time. A local kid (10th grader) picked up 5-6 mph between last spring and fall and received a D-1 offer. Conversely, a kid who set the velocity record at a 13U PG event at 84mph topped out at 85 three years later.
The are just so many variables (genetics, early vs. late puberty, proper strength and conditioning, mechanics, etc.) that determine development and make it impossible to identify a foolproof method for gauging future arm strength.
GOOSEGG - it takes a big person to admit when they were wrong. By the way, what was his max velocity that first year?
Probably best, when dealing with brand new posters, to draw them in with a little bit of kindness. Once you get them hooked, then you can begin to explain why your opinion is the right opinion. As to the comment about the better 10yo pitchers getting used too much - have to agree with that one. Not sure who it was on this board, but they swear they never let their 10yo set foot on the mound because they knew he would be the best pitcher - but realized it would not be in the 10yo's best interest.
hshuler posted:Some of the kids who threw hard at 9/10 are absolutely still some of the hardest throwers at 14, which is my son's age. As a mentioned in my previous post, some haven't gained much velocity since. Now, that doesn't mean that they won't make a big jump in velocity over the next couple of years.
There are also some kids with average arm strength who have gained tremendous velocity in a short period of time. A local kid (10th grader) picked up 5-6 mph between last spring and fall and received a D-1 offer. Conversely, a kid who set the velocity record at a 13U PG event at 84mph topped out at 85 three years later.
The are just so many variables (genetics, early vs. late puberty, proper strength and conditioning, mechanics, etc.) that determine development and make it impossible to identify a foolproof method for gauging future arm strength.
If you can tell me my son will be at 85 at 16 I will take it right now!
hshuler posted:There are also some kids with average arm strength who have gained tremendous velocity in a short period of time.
The are just so many variables (genetics, early vs. late puberty, proper strength and conditioning, mechanics, etc.) that determine development and make it impossible to identify a foolproof method for gauging future arm strength.
Add drive, determination and hard work to your variables. Son got tired of hearing about his lack of arm strength. His MPH from SS position improved 16 mph from freshman to junior years of HS.
2020dad posted:hshuler posted:Some of the kids who threw hard at 9/10 are absolutely still some of the hardest throwers at 14, which is my son's age. As a mentioned in my previous post, some haven't gained much velocity since. Now, that doesn't mean that they won't make a big jump in velocity over the next couple of years.
There are also some kids with average arm strength who have gained tremendous velocity in a short period of time. A local kid (10th grader) picked up 5-6 mph between last spring and fall and received a D-1 offer. Conversely, a kid who set the velocity record at a 13U PG event at 84mph topped out at 85 three years later.
The are just so many variables (genetics, early vs. late puberty, proper strength and conditioning, mechanics, etc.) that determine development and make it impossible to identify a foolproof method for gauging future arm strength.
If you can tell me my son will be at 85 at 16 I will take it right now!
@2020 - Saw a 2020 kid with my own eyes hit 90 last July. Now, obviously this is the exception but super arm talent.
Ripken Fan posted:hshuler posted:There are also some kids with average arm strength who have gained tremendous velocity in a short period of time.
The are just so many variables (genetics, early vs. late puberty, proper strength and conditioning, mechanics, etc.) that determine development and make it impossible to identify a foolproof method for gauging future arm strength.
Add drive, determination and hard work to your variables. Son got tired of hearing about his lack of arm strength. His MPH from SS position improved 16 mph from freshman to junior years of HS.
Good for him!