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Every one in a while the balance of this website goes a bit off; I would like to think that, as a community, we could take a step back and think about what we could each do to continue its continuance as the best source for baseball players and their parents on the web....or anywhere else, for that matter.

TG offered an excellant analogy in one of the recent contentious threads:

"Joining a board is like walking into a party full of strangers with the one person you know. In this case the partner we all know is baseball. You have to feel your way and find a comfort level."

At that party, you know nothing of the backgrounds or credentials of any of the other attendees. You don't know how long they've been there. You know nothing about what has built that party to the place it now holds. You know nothing of the experience of the party as a whole. And there's no reason to believe that the party is being held in your honor.

At one time or another (and currently), we've had hs & college coaches, professional scouts, owners of showcases, players of all ages, parents of players of all ages, pro ballplayers, pro ballplayers' parents. Of the members, I would venture to guess the majority have coached youth ball at some point. Unless you're Joe Torre or Dave Duncan (I bring him up as he likes forums Wink), you aren't bringing anything new to the party.

You are, however, most welcome if you enter in with courtesy and with a mindset of maintaining mutual respect.

Of course I'm addressing this primarily to the newbies. Anyone who has been around for a while already knows the expectation level.

I would like to think you wouldn't enter any party beginning your coversation primarily about how wonderful your son the ballplayer is, particularly if you remembered that everybody at the party has a wonderful ballplayer son, too. Or reminding everyone about your coaching skills as that's a common trait here as well. Or speaking up without the recognition that 'opinion' and 'fact' are not synonyms.

Now, the one big advantage that party has over a message board is that facial expressions and voice inflection colors the words said. Try saying 'You look good' to your partner....appreciative or sarcastic?

Rather than hitting that keyboard with what you've decided someone else meant, take a moment to consider that there might have been alternate intentions. In the recent Pre-HS thread, much was made of a comment regarding a 9 year old: "he's got a long way to go". Now, does that mean the child has limited skills....or does it mean that, as he hasn't even hit puberty yet, lighten up and enjoy the moment?

Should you feel attacked, perhaps it would be a good idea to go back and read your own posts objectively (not just to remind yourself of your own cleverness Wink). Did you type anything unclearly that could have been taken the wrong way? Are you guilty of what you are about to accuse the other poster of? Have you elected to answer their question, or simply continue the atmosphere of attack? And why are you doing this?

I suggested in that thread to read the Board Manners. I truly wonder how many of us have sometimes. Here they are: Board Manners

As in any gathering, it's very easy to acquire a reputation quickly. The rep you establish will color responses to you for some time.

Everyone on this board has something to contribute --- from the Old Timers it's experience, roadmaps through some of the more daunting bits, warnings about mistakes made, contacts. For the newbies, it's the changing landscape of youth baseball and the opportunities available. The tone of your posts will color how seriously you are taken, whether asking for advice or giving it.

Nobody "owns" this site; it's a co-operative. Nobody dictates who can post unless that post breaches the rules lain out in Board Manners. If you feel somehow unappreciated, you are free to leave.

But if you stay in the spirit in which this site was created, you'll learn a great deal, enhance your son(s)' experience, and will have the satisfaction of helping other people.

All the best to all of you.
"They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance." --- Terry Pratchett
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Originally posted by Orlando:
Every one in a while the balance of this website goes a bit off; I would like to think that, as a community, we could take a step back and think about what we could each do to continue its continuance as the best source for baseball players and their parents on the web....or anywhere else, for that matter.


What could I do to continue its continuance? Well Orlando...since it is now the fall season...and I do need a new fall jacket...I suppose I could go shopping...

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Orlando,

Good thoughts, well said, thanks for the invite. Smile I always have found that when these things happen, it puts the HSBBW's purpose into perspective and everyone is a bit more tolerant of each other, old and new.

I am responding to go on record, that my comment to the parent with the video was in no way meant to be condescending, I have apologized and I am saddened that this became part of the debate because someone else tought I meant it that way. He obviously didn't see it that way according to his reply.

TPM

O,
Now you know how I felt last season looking for a team. Frown
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Orlando - that was a fine post!

It is amazing how a thread can pop up out of nowhere on practically any forum and generate controversy. This week was the pre-high school forum. A few weeks back was the draft forum. Next week might be the Illinois forum Eek Big Grin

Actually, I kind of like threads with a little juice in them sometimes and it is nice when people can step back and let things cool down after vigorous debate.

The best advice I have seen for posting was from Fungo. If your argument was sound to begin with, let it ride. People are smart enough to get your point the first time. If you keep chiming in making the same point or rephrasing it or remphasizing it, it only diminsishes the original one.

The power of this site is the power of the group. Those who contribute to the group by asking novel or relevant questions, or by adding honest opinions, it doesn't matter whether or not you spell that well or even if English is your first language. Somehow the party will figure out the message and it will indeed be welcomed.
CD, I love a bit of controversy myself (oh, really Wink) and would hate to see the party go all vanilla pudding and no jalapeno. (Ok, Ok, the metaphor is played out, let it go!)

But there are a few triggers that really get my back up --- patronizing posts, personal agendas, overt rudeness....its' insistence that the Mets are somehow more than an Uppity Expansion Club Wink.
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Originally posted by Orlando:

But there are a few triggers that really get my back up --- patronizing posts, personal agendas, overt rudeness....)

That's happened around here?!?!?! Big Grin The nice thing about the site is, unlike some "real" parties, you can ignore those folks. A bit more difficult with the obnoxious neighbor that won't go home!
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Excellent thread, Orlando! And some terrific advice recapped by ClevelandDad:

"The best advice I have seen for posting was from Fungo. If your argument was sound to begin with, let it ride. People are smart enough to get your point the first time. If you keep chiming in making the same point or rephrasing it or remphasizing it, it only diminsishes the original one."

I have observed many times through the years, that often the reason a thread goes from interesting debate to ugly argument, is when one or more of the participants can't stop hammering home their point after each time a dissenting view is posted. As CD and Fungo said, "People are smart enough to get your point the first time." I'll add: ...even if the other guy in the thread keeps insisting you are wrong. And continuing to insist that you are right and the other is wrong is almost never going to change that other guy's mind anyway. Smile

Peace, love, ice cream...

Julie
Orlando, TG, and all the rest of you HSBBW party animals,

Thank you, so much, for your kind invitation!

I would really enjoy dropping in every once in a while to visit and enjoy your company.

I must admit, however, that, as much as I enjoy the company, I am a newbie, and, sometimes I am awkward and a little shy. Sometimes I say things that don't come out the way I meant them. Sometimes I say things when I am anxious that I later wish I could take back.

So, I am going to try to relax and remember that we are all friends here. I will try to think first, take a deep breath, and post later. I would be most grateful if you would be a little patient with me and, when I need it, give me a gentle reminder to relax.

I have received some really wonderful PM's from some old timers that have warmed my heart and really made me feel welcome. I hope that someday I will have the opportunity to pay it forward to the next generations of newbies.

For me, a bad day of baseball (or of the HSBBW) is better than the best day of (fill in the blank).

Thanks for throwing such a great party. (Now who is going to get up that red wine stain and sweep up all those peanut shells and seed hulls?)
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