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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

An AED can be had for under $1,000 and many times schools would be able to get them for less. CPR/AED training for the coaches is also very easy and should be a requirement.


I agree. Perhaps, instead of custom embroidered team jackets, boosters could consider purchasing an team AED. Get the jackets next year.

bulldog, do you know if AEDs have to be re-certified after they are used, or do you just plug them back in?
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bulldog, do you know if AEDs have to be re-certified after they are used, or do you just plug them back in?


I don't know for sure actually. I do know that they are able to be used right away if needed. As long as the battery is good, it should be operational. But I know that when an AED is used, it records a lot of information. That information needs to be analyzed after an incident.
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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
For example, at our school, the baseball field and softball field are next to each other. This means 1 AED is needed for the two fields. If a school cannot manage this, then I have to question their ability to field athletic teams.

At my sons old HS the Varsity, JV, and Frosh for softball and baseball practice at different facilities. Tennis jv/frosh are different locations than varsity. Rugby, and Lacrosse are off campus. Track is 1/4 mile from any other sport and if you really want to go outside the box any golfer may be 17 holes from each other. In this case I could count up to twelve AED's needed for Spring sports and that does not include those that would be mandatory in the gym, pool, weight room, and field house for other athletes that are conditioning. I applaud the concern but implementation would be a big headache with too many "what ifs" that would fall right back in the lap of the schools.

300ft.......I would hate to be a school district that has to explain to a parent and/or a civil court that the device was 500ft away, or was not charged, or was vandalized. Red Face I'll guess that in most cases the team trainer will be put in charge Roll Eyes. Then again, the little guy would be a great scapegoat for a classmates death.

I really dislike government mandated rules that lack reality, full thought and are nothing more than a weak attempt to cover their own a$$......In the IL example I wonder if some politician who has his fingers in the pot of an AED manufacturer pushed this legislation.......again jmo and food for thought, we tend to do that in WI

More power to those schools who have the resources to have these luxuries but my bet is many school districts are all ready scratching in mom/dads pockets for athletic fees that are not fully funded by the schools.
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An echocardiogram would be required to detect something like this. This will not happen large-scale because it just is not possible.

1) Too expensive
2) Too many false-positives
3) Too many false-negatives
4) Too time-consuming


I do not know about this particular boy.I posted a couple years ago about the importance of all athletes having this test done.It is mandatory in Japan for all athletes.

It is not tha expensive, AND most insurance comopanies do cover it as a routine test.

The test does not take that long, and should ABSOLUTELY be mandatory for every young athlete to have to rule out an enlarged heart.
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So do you then mandate it be done after every viral illness? They are postulating this young man,for instance, was ok until his preceding viral illness ie a pre participation echo would have been normal.



I said that I didnt know this particular case.
Had the boy had a previous echocardiogram? I absolutely would mandate that all athletes havean echocardiogram to rule out an enlarged heart.This happens more than people know.

I believe the echocardiogram should be a routine screening test done on ALL children, not just athletes.

Ask your doctor for one for your child.They will order the test.
Here is a Press Release that discusses the law in Illinois.

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SPRINGFIELD – Governor Rod R. Blagojevich today signed legislation requiring outdoor football stadiums, s****r fields, baseball fields and other outdoor facilities to have an automated external defibrillator (AED) on hand to help save lives in the event of a medical emergency. House Bill 1279, sponsored by State Representative Daniel J. Burke (D-Chicago) and State Senator Martin A. Sandoval (D-Cicero), adds outdoor physical fitness and sports facilities to the list of facilities currently required to have defibrillators.

The bill is known as the R.A.W. Initiative, named after Northwestern University football player Rashidi Wheeler who died during practice in 2001. It was determined that if an AED had been onsite, Wheeler’s life could have been saved.

“The death of Rashidi Wheeler was a devastating loss for his family, the community and Northwestern University, and it could have been prevented with a defibrillator. By making defibrillators available at athletic and sporting facilities, we hope to save lives in the future and prevent these kinds of tragedies from happening,” said Gov. Blagojevich.

The bill was championed by Sean Wieber, a former Northwestern University football star and a recent high honors graduate at Chicago-Kent law school. Wieber, currently an associate at Winston Strawn, LLP, was the starting free safety on Northwestern’s 2000 Big Ten Championship football team, and a teammate of Rashidi Wheeler’s. Wheeler died in Wieber’s arms on the practice field on August 3, 2001. The bill grew out of a law school class in legislative advocacy and is the only suggested bill in the history of the class to have been enacted into law.

“Governor Blagojevich’s signing of HB 1279 shows that elected officials throughout Illinois understand the importance of protecting Illinois’ citizens by making AED’s readily available in areas where they can have an immediate impact. I am grateful not only to Gov. Blagojevich, but to the General Assembly, especially Representative Dan Burke, for supporting this initiative. I strongly believe that this new law will save lives, and its mandate--when compared to other states’ laws--puts Illinois in the forefront of AED implementation,” said Sean Wieber.

“Rashidi is smiling from Heaven today! The strength of character demonstrated by Sean Wieber, serves as a testament that the power of love, respect and determination, when accompanied with a desire to do the highest good, is the best recipe for what we, Rashidi’s family, see as a modern day miracle. Sean’s actions, and the signing of House Bill 1279, ensures that his friend’s tragic loss of life is not in vain and ensures that other students and their families will have the opportunity to pursue their dreams in a far safer environment. There are no words to express our gratitude, we are so humbled and comforted in knowing that people like Sean Wieber, still exist in today’s society,” said Linda Will, Rashidi Wheeler’s mother.

When taking action on HB 1279, the Governor used his power of amendatory veto (AV) to change part of the legislation. At the request of the American Red Cross and the American Heart Association, and with full support of the bill’s sponsors, the Governor AV’d the bill to ensure all indoor and outdoor park district facilities are covered by the law. As written, the legislation would have exempted outdoor facilities from the obligation to have AED’s on hand. Rep. Burke will file a motion to accept the AV, from which point he and Senate sponsor Martin Sandoval will work their leadership to schedule a vote to accept the AV, thus enacting the law.

“Defibrillators save lives. Having more defibrillators will save more lives. We’re grateful to the Governor for his support on this bill and we are particularly grateful for the change he recommends in his amendatory veto. We hope that this bill can indeed become law in the near future with the General Assembly’s concurrence,” said Mark Peysakhovich, Senior Director of Advocacy, American Heart Association.

“This law will greatly increase the availability of Automated External Defibrillators, which will help save lives,” said Fran Maher, CEO of the American Red Cross of Greater Chicago.

The defibrillator must be stored in an accessible building within 300 feet of the outdoor facility and the building’s entrances must have signs with directions to the AED. If there is not a building within 300 feet, the supervisor of the activity must make sure a defibrillator is available during the event or activity. Physical fitness facilities that are owned or operated by the forest preserve district or conservation district, such as hiking trails in nature preserves, are exempt.

The new law also requires any indoor or outdoor physical fitness facility to ensure a trained AED user is present during all physical fitness activities. Currently the law only requires facilities to have a trained AED user on staff. The Illinois Department of Public Health will adopt rules to encourage coaches, instructors and any other anticipated defibrillator operators to be trained as AED users.

Last summer Gov. Blagojevich signed legislation amending the Emergency Medical Services Systems Act and the Good Samaritan Act so that any person, acting in good faith, who provides emergency medical care involving the use of an AED is not liable for civil damages. This legislation makes it easier for people to provide emergency medical care, and help save lives without fear of retribution.

Every privately owned outdoor physical fitness facility must comply with this bill by July 1, 2009.

Public entities that own four or fewer outdoor physical fitness facilities must comply by:
July 1, 2009 for the first facility
July 1, 2010 for the second facility
July 1, 2011 for the third facility
July 1, 2012 for the fourth facility
Public entities that own more than four outdoor physical fitness facilities must comply by:
July 1, 2009 for 25% of those facilities
July 1, 2010 for 50% of those facilities
July 1, 2011 for 75% of those facilities
July 1, 2012 for 100% of those facilities
HB 1279 becomes effective upon acceptance by the General Assembly of the Governor’s amendatory veto.


http://www.illinois.gov/pressr...Num=6500&SubjectID=1

It's a great law and one that I hope continues to spread. These requirements really are not as difficult to follow as people want to make them out to be. Public entities in Illinois were given a period of time to comply with the laws. Improvements are needed all around, but it's a start in the right direction.
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Not knowing all about this case do we know if an aed would have worked in this situation?


The issue is that we do not know if an AED in the first few minutes would have done anything. An AED was used, but it was at least 10 minutes after his heart stopped. And it appears that it likely had some sort of benefit as he was not pronounced dead until ~2 hours later.

We will never know if an AED used in the first minutes would have had a positive result.

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