I don’t get it, am I missing something here. Parents legally separate so that kid can play senior year of football. Kid already has full scholarship at great legendary football program. Kid is ranked 18th overall in the country, he is not going to lose his scholarship. The legal separation can cause all types of issues if something goes wrong. Why!!! Help me understand why not get ready for college and do an early enrollment in the spring?
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I don't know but would not be shocked if the player or family were compensated. The football has always been crazy down there, and the coach is a real piece of work. Many, many years ago my high school played in Valdosta against Lowndes County HS in the playoffs. Supposedly all their kids went to 8th grade twice. They beat us and won state. Valdosta = Title Town
Thanks for sharing the article. I don't think you're not missing a thing. People have differing priorities and will sacrifice anything to achieve those priorities. Their single-mindedness and determination is pretty extreme.
I can't say I'm too surprised. I see quite a few people in my area move to different area high schools for football and basketball. I see lots of kids reclassify from public to private high schools to get an additional year and a shot at an athletic scholarship. In some cases, it is very understandable given that is their best shot at getting into college. Separating from your spouse and moving cross country is a whole new level.
As always, JMO.
Just might mess around and lose your wife, but hey Junior is playing football at Big State U, so life is good.
I had to stop watching the video after grandpa died SMH So maybe I missed it too?
He looks good in Cardinal & Gold! I hope Clay Helton can get him back to Southern California before those SEC schools start offering free housing for his parents. Oops!
If the SEC coaches are smart, they will keep telling him they are playing and PAC is not. They will keep yelling Covid is not going away. He is in the heart of UGA, FSU, and UF territory.
If you've ever been concerned you might be the crazy parent, you can rest easy tonight.
It's pretty easy for me to understand, but then I don't suffer from TPDS. He wants to play. Joe Burrow, Jalan Hurts, Dylan McCaffrey, I could go on. All QB's who lost the starting job and transferred. Seems the top programs don't recruit just one bluechip QB. So this kid is going to go into fall competition against a couple of ranked players who very well may have played their senior year after sitting out his. You don't get better sitting on your azz. Coach isn't going to award points because the parents made a decision that appeased some parents on a baseball forum.
The family of a kid from our high school pulled the “divorcing parents” move to transfer to a rival high school known for placing some players in the NBA. The problem was the kid didn’t make varsity.
Dad thought junior was overlooked and “screwed” by the coach at our high school. He wasn’t. At our high school at least the kid would have got garbage time minutes senior year.
@PABaseball posted:If you've ever been concerned you might be the crazy parent, you can rest easy tonight.
That is absolutely the truth!!!
@RJM posted:The family of a kid from our high school pulled the “divorcing parents” move to transfer to a rival high school known for placing some players in the NBA. The problem was the kid didn’t make varsity.
Dad thought junior was overlooked and “screwed” by the coach at our high school. He wasn’t. At our high school at least the kid would have got garbage time minutes senior year.
You're comparing that player to a kid ranked 18th overall???? At 18th there are millions of dollars on the line.
@Around_The_Horn posted:That is absolutely the truth!!!
Blinded by That Parent Derangement Syndrome
@SomeBaseballDad posted:You're comparing that player to a kid ranked 18th overall???? At 18th there are millions of dollars on the line.
I’m not comparing the players. I’m comparing the parents. Both have their own set of delusions.
For all of the people who think they are crazy there are just as many who say I would do something similar to get that advantage. If you can imagine he is playing for one of the top 10 teams in the nation while the P12 school players where he will go in the spring is not playing at all. He might come into the program in January and be the top player if they play a spring season. He got game reps and his teammates will not. I don't agree with the divorce thing but I understand the passion thing. Other than the divorce part, what is different than paying $85,000 to go to IMG for a year. I know a dad who sent two sons down there and neither played varsity. I could go on and on with the crazy stories. Most just can't afford to do crazy stuff. If he makes it to the pros or starts this spring then he will say it was worth it.
If he makes it to the pros or starts this spring then he will say it was worth it.
For every story of someone who makes it behind the scenes and unheard are the thousand who are now in therapy or are in bad need of therapy. Tiger Woods is a good example even for a person who made it.. Look how his life unraveled as soon as his father wasn’t there to manage it for him.
@PitchingFan posted:For all of the people who think they are crazy there are just as many who say I would do something similar to get that advantage
And they are equally as crazy
I am being asked to shell out thousands so a 15 year old can get a customized player development program that includes nutrition, S&C, throwing program...what the hell is wrong with me?
@2022NYC posted:I am being asked to shell out thousands so a 15 year old can get a customized player development program that includes nutrition, S&C, throwing program...what the hell is wrong with me?
What’s crazier is there are parents doing this for preteens. I remember being at a cocktail party when all the boys were twelve.
Dads were bragging about all the training their kids were getting in various sports. There were dads bragging about agility training. I wasn’t seeing any difference in agility at all. Then I was asked after staying silent. I was trying not to laugh.
“He just plays the games.”
My son was big on reps relating to the sport whether with me or by himself. Spending money on physical development and agility training is for after puberty AND recognition a kid has legitimate athletic ability.
Speed and agility are great tools to have. But paying for getting those things developed is craziness. A better solution (that costs nothing but a good pair of shoes) is to start playing pick up basketball with older, better players. If you want to stay on the court you will get quicker and more agile.
Us parents are crazy, huh? Ha!Ha! I will always remember being at a practice for a coach pitch league, so I guess the kids were 7 or 8 years old, and another father says to me, "You know my Junior is a pro prospect". I kind of chuckled and before I knew he was serious I said "Well I think at this age, depending on how you look at it, either all of them are prospects or none of them are prospects". We all think our children are special. And they really are! Maybe just not how we think they are. We so want them to have every possible chance to excel.
@LBmom2021 posted:Legally separating in order to cheat the system and moving across county for one season of a sport is crazy. I am surprised the family was willing to be featured in this article, given all the criticism they are likely to get. To each their own, but this is insanity.
"Criticism" = Free Publicity = More SEC Looks
As the parent of an only child, I don't really see anything wrong with the moving to GA part, but the separation to appease the transfer rule is a bit much.
My wife and I probably spend too much on our son's baseball, but he likes it and we are fortunate to be in a position to spend, so we do it. My first metal spikes were from a Play It Again, along with pretty much every bit of gear I had in HS. My family had no money growing up. I would look at the nice Rawlings Gold Gloves and know that I would never use one. Just bought my son a Pro Preferred IF/P glove this weekend and he's primarily a C. Now that I think about it, maybe some of the crap I buy him is just as much for me as it is for him, lol.
I found a number, 24k HS in the US, so let's go with that. I don't know if all of them have a football team so let's say 20k do. That 20k HS football QB's. This kid is ranked 18th.
Quarterback salaries. Contract and per year. If money were not an issue would I do it, damn straight. IDK about the divorce part. Surely there was someplace to play that didn't necessitate that. But move my kid so he could stay on the field his senior year, that's a no brainer. Yes, he could get hurt, yes a meteor could wipe out all life on earth, yes he could decide to become a flamingo dancer. Worth the risk.
| Patrick Mahomes | Chiefs | 25 | $450,000,000 | $45,000,000 | |||
| Deshaun Watson | Texans | 25 | $156,000,000 | $39,000,000 | |||
| Russell Wilson | Seahawks | 32 | $140,000,000 | $35,000,000 | |||
| Ben Roethlisberger | Steelers | 38 | $68,000,000 | $34,000,000 | |||
| Aaron Rodgers | Packers | 37 | $134,000,000 | $33,500,000 | |||
| Jared Goff | Rams | 26 | $134,000,000 | $33,500,000 | |||
| Kirk Cousins | Vikings | 32 | $66,000,000 | $33,000,000 | |||
| Carson Wentz | Eagles | 28 | $128,000,000 | $32,000,000 | |||
| Dak Prescott | Cowboys | 27 | $31,409,000 | $31,409,000 | |||
| Matt Ryan | Falcons | 35 | $150,000,000 | $30,000,000 | |||
| Ryan Tannehill | Titans | 32 | $118,000,000 | $29,500,000 | |||
| Jacoby Brissett | Colts | 28 | $27,975,000 | $27,975,000 | |||
| Jimmy Garoppolo | 49ers | 29 | $137,500,000 | $27,500,000 | |||
Before throwing around nine figure contracts there are plenty of five star recruits who flop in college before even receiving the opportunity to flop in the NFL. Garcia is not a five star recruit.
2005-2014 ... Ryan Perrilloux, Mitch Mustain, John Brantley, Dayne Crist, Russell Sheppard, Jeff Driskell, Gunner Kiel, Max Browne
Of course everyone should base their decisions on the failings of others. "That guy failed so I probably will too". Joe Burrow was a dumdass for leaving OSU because look at all the other QB's that transferred and washed out right? If Burrow's parents would have came here looking for advice you'd have told him keep your kid at OSU, have him get a degree, get a regular job. Quit chasing a dream, obviously he's not as good as you think he is. I know what you are going to say, "that was a one time thing". Guess what, it wouldn't have even been a one time thing if they came to this board looking for advice.
anyone else taken aback by 4 high schools in 4 years? plus, he hasn't played a whole year yet between sitting behind a stud, sitting out a few games after transferring, school sanctions and now, covid.
@SomeBaseballDad posted:Of course everyone should base their decisions on the failings of others. "That guy failed so I probably will too". Joe Burrow was a dumdass for leaving OSU because look at all the other QB's that transferred and washed out right? If Burrow's parents would have came here looking for advice you'd have told him keep your kid at OSU, have him get a degree, get a regular job. Quit chasing a dream, obviously he's not as good as you think he is. I know what you are going to say, "that was a one time thing". Guess what, it wouldn't have even been a one time thing if they came to this board looking for advice.
What I posted is don’t start throwing around nine figure contracts just because someone is a four star prospect.
RJM sometimes you just cant apply logic to what people believe. Let the man play with his dreams and sons future and act shocked when it ends poorly...
Number 18 on ESPN Top 300. Now let's go four years back and four years forward top 18. That puts this kid in the top 150 over a 8 year period. That's pretty dam good I don't care how many stars he is. Go further down that list I referred to and you'll see some pretty mediocre QB's making millions of dollars. This kid is good enough to be given every chance to play at that level.
He's going to college not the NFL. Sometimes you need to call it like it is - getting a divorce and moving 3000 miles away from home to "get some live reps" is crazy.
Playing for a high school coach who has been removed from two high schools for ethics violations should help prepare Garcia for college football. Can’t beat a quality, moral upbringing! Sounds like the kid fits right in playing for four high schools in four years. He’s definitely a loyal kid (sarcasm). The Valdosta coach and the kid appear to be a moral, ethical match made in heaven.
One of his other high school coaches was also removed for ethics violations, it said.
@RJM posted:Playing for a high school coach who has been removed from two high schools for ethics violations should help prepare Garcia for college football. Can’t beat a quality, moral upbringing! Sounds like the kid fits right in playing for four high schools in four years. He’s definitely a loyal kid (sarcasm). The Valdosta coach and the kid appear to be a moral, ethical match made in heaven.
to get technical about it, he attended 4 hs but only played for 3 (maybe only suited up and didn't actually get on the field for one of them). but yeah...what RJM said
@SomeBaseballDad posted:I found a number, 24k HS in the US, so let's go with that. I don't know if all of them have a football team so let's say 20k do. That 20k HS football QB's. This kid is ranked 18th.
Quarterback salaries. Contract and per year. If money were not an issue would I do it, damn straight. IDK about the divorce part. Surely there was someplace to play that didn't necessitate that. But move my kid so he could stay on the field his senior year, that's a no brainer. Yes, he could get hurt, yes a meteor could wipe out all life on earth, yes he could decide to become a flamingo dancer. Worth the risk.
Patrick Mahomes Chiefs 25 $450,000,000 $45,000,000 Deshaun Watson Texans 25 $156,000,000 $39,000,000 Russell Wilson Seahawks 32 $140,000,000 $35,000,000 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers 38 $68,000,000 $34,000,000 Aaron Rodgers Packers 37 $134,000,000 $33,500,000 Jared Goff Rams 26 $134,000,000 $33,500,000 Kirk Cousins Vikings 32 $66,000,000 $33,000,000 Carson Wentz Eagles 28 $128,000,000 $32,000,000 Dak Prescott Cowboys 27 $31,409,000 $31,409,000 Matt Ryan Falcons 35 $150,000,000 $30,000,000 Ryan Tannehill Titans 32 $118,000,000 $29,500,000 Jacoby Brissett Colts 28 $27,975,000 $27,975,000 Jimmy Garoppolo 49ers 29 $137,500,000 $27,500,000
..stomps feet stomps feet stomps feet....
"IT'S FLAMENCO DANCER!! FLAMINGO IS A BIRD!!"
..waives arms over head and dramatically stomps feet some more..
@PABaseball posted:He's going to college not the NFL. Sometimes you need to call it like it is - getting a divorce and moving 3000 miles away from home to "get some live reps" is crazy.
If the parent have the money then so be it. The separation thing is a little out there but short of that, I'd do the same thing. You don't get better sitting on your azz. Who's to say he won't go from 4 stars to 5. Of course, he could go lower based on play. It's a gamble. Props to them for taking it. He's also just a commit and the Pac-12 isn't the SEC. If he lights it up I wouldn't be surprised to see him de-commit. And from the articles I've read, he's going to college then the NFL barring a collapse. I read he is compared to Ryan Tannehill, which isn't Tom Brady but that pay scale (4 years 118 million) is still a few dollars more than mine.
Playing for a high school coach who has been removed from two high schools for ethics violations should help prepare Garcia for college football. Can’t beat a quality, moral upbringing! Sounds like the kid fits right in playing for four high schools in four years. He’s definitely a loyal kid (sarcasm). The Valdosta coach and the kid appear to be a moral, ethical match made in heaven.
One of his other high school coaches was also removed for ethics violations, it said.
to get technical about it, he attended 4 hs but only played for 3 (maybe only suited up and didn't actually get on the field for one of them). but yeah...what RJM said
Wow. So this forum has become nothing more than a platform for virtue signaling. Those posts probably don't put this forum in the best light. Maybe exhibit A when someone asks "300 guests and 6 members online. Why don't more post here?"
@SomeBaseballDad posted:If the parent have the money then so be it. The separation thing is a little out there but short of that, I'd do the same thing. You don't get better sitting on your azz. Who's to say he won't go from 4 stars to 5. Of course, he could go lower based on play. It's a gamble. Props to them for taking it. He's also just a commit and the Pac-12 isn't the SEC. If he lights it up I wouldn't be surprised to see him de-commit. And from the articles I've read, he's going to college then the NFL barring a collapse. I read he is compared to Ryan Tannehill, which isn't Tom Brady but that pay scale (4 years 118 million) is still a few dollars more than mine.
Playing for a high school coach who has been removed from two high schools for ethics violations should help prepare Garcia for college football. Can’t beat a quality, moral upbringing! Sounds like the kid fits right in playing for four high schools in four years. He’s definitely a loyal kid (sarcasm). The Valdosta coach and the kid appear to be a moral, ethical match made in heaven.
One of his other high school coaches was also removed for ethics violations, it said.
to get technical about it, he attended 4 hs but only played for 3 (maybe only suited up and didn't actually get on the field for one of them). but yeah...what RJM said
Wow. So this forum has become nothing more than a platform for virtue signaling. Those posts probably don't put this forum in the best light. Maybe exhibit A when someone asks "300 guests and 6 members online. Why don't more post here?"
It’s how I see it. I don’t have any problem owning this post. I’ve been through the journey with two kids. None of the kids I coached were like this. But I saw and heard about plenty of them. I don’t recollect it ever ending well. The kid has character flaw flags all over him. Bailing on USC would just be another red flag.
I watched "Draft Day" (the movie- about football) last week.
'Character' wound up being a deciding factor in the story. It's a good movie, btw.
We should stop commenting now and resurrect this (next year and) in 4 years and see where the young man winds up.
RJM. Ever heard of a kid by the name Bryce Harper. His parents rented him out every week from the time he was 12 to 18. He was a pay to play kid. People and SI called them crazy but I'm guessing IMO it worked out pretty good for him financially. Still don't care for his antics on the field like I didn't at 12 but oh well. I'm not saying it will work out for this kid but there are plenty out there that it worked out for. I'm also willing to bet the apartment they live in is very cheap in Valdosta Georgia. They are a powerhouse for the past 30 years. When Nick Hyder was alive, they pulled the same things back in the 80's so it is the school not the coach. They are known for doing whatever it takes to win.
His parents publicly admitted to a legal separation for the sole purpose of bypassing the transfer rule. Can the GHSA still go after them?
@PitchingFan posted:RJM. Ever heard of a kid by the name Bryce Harper. His parents rented him out every week from the time he was 12 to 18. He was a pay to play kid. People and SI called them crazy but I'm guessing IMO it worked out pretty good for him financially. Still don't care for his antics on the field like I didn't at 12 but oh well. I'm not saying it will work out for this kid but there are plenty out there that it worked out for. I'm also willing to bet the apartment they live in is very cheap in Valdosta Georgia. They are a powerhouse for the past 30 years. When Nick Hyder was alive, they pulled the same things back in the 80's so it is the school not the coach. They are known for doing whatever it takes to win.
Harper was seen as a potential once in a lifetime talent. There are other variables at play with this kid. I’m not going to get more into it. Let’s remember his name, if we can.
I’m going to stop posting on this subject. We’re breaking one of hsbaseballweb’s unwritten rules regarding discussing negatives of teen amateur athletes.
My excuse is I think the parents are crazy. While it’s only a paper transaction of convenience they must not have a lot of respect for their marriage.
@2022NYC posted:His parents publicly admitted to a legal separation for the sole purpose of bypassing the transfer rule. Can the GHSA still go after them?
One can only hope so. Ban the kid from playing, maybe arrest the parents. God that would be great, and teach every parent who might consider giving their kid every opportunity, as long as they can afford it, a serious lesson.
What the hell is wrong with you people???
@RJM posted:My excuse is I think the parents are crazy. While it’s only a paper transaction of convenience they must not have a lot of respect for their marriage.
No one cares what you think. You do you and let them do them.
Man, these chips are salty.
A bunch of Hawaii kids moved to Utah with a parent to play this fall. I don't think they were ranked like this dude and no one's saying whether the parents had to be separated. And that's even further than L.A. to Valdosta.
Salty indeed and choking on a bit of assumption...what the hell is wrong with some posters.
Valdosta QB Garcia ruled ineligible ...
Well that answered my question
" A bunch of Hawaii kids moved to Utah etc....." @smokeminside what the heck am I missing
This may be classic case of the plural of anecdote is not data, but I know several ex Alohas state Pats that relocated to the Beehive state.
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:" A bunch of Hawaii kids moved to Utah etc....." @smokeminside what the heck am I missing
This makes perfect sense. The LDS church sent early missionaries to the Polynesian islands and specifically Hawaii. Hawaii has two temples and the LDS owned Polynesian Cultural Center which is located next to BYU Hawaii campus.
My immediate reaction to the Hawaii-Utah situation was, “Are they Mormon?”
@RJM posted:
Valdosta QB Garcia ruled ineligible ...
Should have just kept their mouths shut. But the lure of national exposure through an ESPN article beckoned. (Not advocating, just mentioning).
Do football players in high school have agents/advisors? Just wondering.
@keewart posted:Should have just kept their mouths shut. But the lure of national exposure through an ESPN article beckoned. (Not advocating, just mentioning).
Do football players in high school have agents/advisors? Just wondering.
It was definitely a lay low situation. But the kid probably wanted all of the SEC and ACC to know he was in GA and check him out.
I don’t know about direct advisors. College is extending their amateur career three more years. However, I read the dad was a QB at Nebraska. He’s probably very tuned into advice connections.
An agenda?
Jake Garcia who is the leading prospect at quarterback for the Miami Hurricanes in the Class of 2021 has been ruled ineligible by the Georgia High School Association according to a report by ESPN. Garcia who is currently committed to USC transferred from his home in California following the cancellation of their football season.
** As a side note are there any English teachers in the crowd cringing over this sentence? The person who wrote this is drawing a paycheck for this lack of writing skills.
hawaii has a long lived pipeline to utah and nevada. there's been a number of kids who have moved there over the years, looking for more exposure. The current year's situation increased that number a little since Hawaii isn't playing until spring but Utah is playing now. it isn't way off scale, though. every year there's a couple who leave to play and attend school out of state.
@RJM posted:An agenda?
Jake Garcia who is the leading prospect at quarterback for the Miami Hurricanes in the Class of 2021 has been ruled ineligible by the Georgia High School Association according to a report by ESPN. Garcia who is currently committed to USC transferred from his home in California following the cancellation of their football season.
** As a side note are there any English teachers in the crowd cringing over this sentence? The person who wrote this is drawing a paycheck for this lack of writing skills.
Well there is a god. Thank god this whole affront to all that is good has been brought to light. Let this be a lesson to any other young player who is pursuing their dreams to just don't. Can't they understand they are upsetting the sensibilities of woke people everywhere? Can Georgia pursue criminal charges against all involved? God I hope so.
ok, somebaseballdad. I see where you got set off now. I don't think this is an overwhelming group saying don't pursue your dreams. That said, if I lived in California and they cancelled everything, (and we had the means to move somewhere for a year where my kids could actually attend school and play sports) I'd do it. No excuses of a separation, but I see no problem with that at all. I would likely never move back...
@SomeBaseballDad posted:Well there is a god. Thank god this whole affront to all that is good has been brought to light. Let this be a lesson to any other young player who is pursuing their dreams to just don't. Can't they understand they are upsetting the sensibilities of woke people everywhere? Can Georgia pursue criminal charges against all involved? God I hope so.
Step one of supporting your son’s dreams ....
Make a farce of your marriage. And yes, there could be charges to force the Garcia family to pay for attending school in Valdosta under false pretenses. It’s cheating the taxpayers of the town.
To move somewhere to play legally and pursue the dream would be fine. My apologies. I’m just weird. I like to act legally and above board with integrity. All this kid had been taught is how to beat the system in a sly manner. It’s the lowest form of parenting.
I wonder, on a side note, if the players from Hawaii can play in Utah then transfer back to Hawaii for the spring season.
I think the only problem I have with Garcia playing is the marriage part. But that opens a lot of cans that prevail into above reproach, cheating, and on and on. If they just moved to Ga and were eligible to play without the divorce, temporary divorce, separation or whatever then it would be okay. But that changes everything.
@keewart posted:Should have just kept their mouths shut. But the lure of national exposure through an ESPN article beckoned. (Not advocating, just mentioning).
Do football players in high school have agents/advisors? Just wondering.
I'm not sure I'd call them agents or advisors, maybe handlers? The more stars, the more the "handlers" are involved and get paid (by bagmen) just to set up visits. The few handlers I've met over the years were the scummiest dudes you could ever imagine. There was a blog a few years ago about college football recruiting and bagmen. I'll see if I can find it later.
If anybody is curious, after he was ruled ineligible he transferred to Grayson in GA (top 5 national ranking). He decommitted from USC during signing week and flipped to Miami - as many suspected.
As bizzare as the whole situation is, it worked out the way they wanted it to in the end
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