If I have anything like what you characterize as an "attitude," mifdaddy, it's because I've seen something in a post that indicates that a parent or player is about to run headlong into a brick wall. Having seen too many of them do exactly that and blunt their chances for the sort of college experience the player has worked so hard to achieve, call me "stupid;" but, I'd like to try to help them avoid the wall.
Sometimes people seem to be their own worst enemies. When I think a parent is putting himself or herself in a position that's potentially detrimental to their son, I suppose I can't remain silent. It's the son's goal, and I don't want to see the parent hinder its achievement. It happens all too often, and there are far too many excellent players out there to take the son's place.
Best wishes to your son.
I was thanking you for NOT having attitude. Thank you!
I got your point, mifdaddy.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:quote:Has anyone had an early first offer that went up as they got older?
Nope, not here.
Not here either
We have not been through this process so just asking for clarification. When you hear a 50% offer or 25% offer....50% of what? Is that tuition? Books and tuition? The total estimated cost of one year at that school? Maybe it varies? Wondering because 50% of tuition at a CSU school would be drastically different that say a 50% offer that covered all anticipated expenses. Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully it will help us ask the right questions.
The school will consider all school related expenses, which include tuition, room and board, books and fees. They don't consider personal spending money. When in the verbal stages, they often talk in terms of %. So if all of the expenses for a school add up to $30k and they tell you 50%, you will have another $15k to cover. Athletic guys usually talk in terms of athletic money, but make sure of it. Once you have the academic money identified, they will likely send you to the admissions/financial aid office with your official (if near graduation) or unofficial (if junior or sophomore) transcript to find out if you can also get "non-coutable" academic money. They only look at core classes to determine GPA, so that A in gym class doesn't help GPA! "Non-coutable" means that the money does not go against their athletic scholarships, so you end up with both athletic and academic money.
Thanks mifdaddy
alll offers differ----50 percent does not alwaysequal fifty percent
Of course, and you would be silly to not ask the question...
TR -- 50 percent does not always equal fifty percent -- huh?
If someone says "50% of tuition," surely you should realize they don't mean "50% of total cost of attendance."
But if someone just says "50%", I think you should be able to depend on that meaning "50% of total cost of attendance."
If someone says "50% of tuition," surely you should realize they don't mean "50% of total cost of attendance."
But if someone just says "50%", I think you should be able to depend on that meaning "50% of total cost of attendance."
Kbearma - sent you PM
MIDLO
that is not necessarily so
that is not necessarily so
If it isn't, then I would be inclined to conclude that someone was trying to mislead me intentionally, and that would be important information for me to digest.
MIDLO
after you have dealt with as many players paents as I have you find that 50% has a multitude of meanings all of which satisfy daddys ego
after you have dealt with as many players paents as I have you find that 50% has a multitude of meanings all of which satisfy daddys ego
Sorry, I thought we were talking about when coaches mention numbers.
I agree, parents love to exaggerate/brag.
I agree, parents love to exaggerate/brag.
We ARE talking about offers! That is how these discussions get hijacked.
so am I
quote:Originally posted by kbearma:
We have not been through this process so just asking for clarification. When you hear a 50% offer or 25% offer....50% of what? Is that tuition? Books and tuition? The total estimated cost of one year at that school? Maybe it varies? Wondering because 50% of tuition at a CSU school would be drastically different that say a 50% offer that covered all anticipated expenses. Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully it will help us ask the right questions.
Offers differ from what type of program they are coming from and what you are referring to. There are different type of scholarships, athletic and academic, am not sure what your post is referring to.
If D1 athletic, it has to be specific in terms and 25% minimum cost of attendance for one semester (or none at all). D2 awards their scholarships differently as does JUCO and NAIA and D3 has no athletic dollars to give.
I think the point here is that if you listen to parents you may not always get the correct percentage, but do know that when a coach is making an offer, it cannot be given as to mislead you, and at any time you can ask them exactly what will be covered by the offer.
Of the scholarship offers my son received, they came in two basic forms:
XX% - clarified to be XX% of school's estimate for tuition+books+fees+room+board - then you get the "but we feed you after weight training and before & after games and you get so much while on the road, etc so its really more"
He also received a "we'll pay XX% of tuition, books and fees and give you $XX towards room & board" never talking about a percentage of the total cost.
Bottom line, I liked the latter offer type better because it was easier to understand. "We'll pay this, you pay that. Good luck with academic money, we don't get involved other than to provide you the contact information for the person who handles it for the athletic department."
He had schools peddling academic money as athletic scholarship, "You'd be getting $XX in academic money that is just as good as athletic money".
Not if you get both...
XX% - clarified to be XX% of school's estimate for tuition+books+fees+room+board - then you get the "but we feed you after weight training and before & after games and you get so much while on the road, etc so its really more"
He also received a "we'll pay XX% of tuition, books and fees and give you $XX towards room & board" never talking about a percentage of the total cost.
Bottom line, I liked the latter offer type better because it was easier to understand. "We'll pay this, you pay that. Good luck with academic money, we don't get involved other than to provide you the contact information for the person who handles it for the athletic department."
He had schools peddling academic money as athletic scholarship, "You'd be getting $XX in academic money that is just as good as athletic money".
Not if you get both...
Folks.....
There have been numerous mentions of the "cost of attendence" in this thread.
No baseball scholarships are based on the cost of attendence.
Percentages are based on an equivalency
For most schools the difference is $2K or $3K.
An equivalency is tuitiion, fee, room, board, and $400 for books. In August 2012, the book portion will increase to $800.
The COA is a higher amount calculated using guidelines set by the Federal Government for use in determining need-based financial aid, and is much closer to the amount that would be actually needed by a thrifty student.
There have been numerous mentions of the "cost of attendence" in this thread.
No baseball scholarships are based on the cost of attendence.
Percentages are based on an equivalency
For most schools the difference is $2K or $3K.
An equivalency is tuitiion, fee, room, board, and $400 for books. In August 2012, the book portion will increase to $800.
The COA is a higher amount calculated using guidelines set by the Federal Government for use in determining need-based financial aid, and is much closer to the amount that would be actually needed by a thrifty student.
Great to read some very useful comments. Thanks!
3FG,
I understand what the difference is. Equivilency is relative to athletic aid,correct.
When a coach offers a 25% scholarship, does he say it in terms that this is what it will cost for a semester (everything from soup to nuts included) and we will pay 25% or does he say this is what a semester will cost and the percentage is based on equilvency (according to what you have stated).
When we received the bill, all of the charges from soup to nuts were charged (more than equilvency) and they paid their percentage and we paid the balance, no government dollars came into the picture, it was a percentage of total cost to attend for one semester.
I understand what the difference is. Equivilency is relative to athletic aid,correct.
When a coach offers a 25% scholarship, does he say it in terms that this is what it will cost for a semester (everything from soup to nuts included) and we will pay 25% or does he say this is what a semester will cost and the percentage is based on equilvency (according to what you have stated).
When we received the bill, all of the charges from soup to nuts were charged (more than equilvency) and they paid their percentage and we paid the balance, no government dollars came into the picture, it was a percentage of total cost to attend for one semester.
From my experience and those who I've talked to about this, coaches just name a percentage and don't mention what the total is a percentage of, but it turns out to be a percentage of an equivalency.
But 11.7 schlarships means 11.7 equivalencies, and the minimum 25% is based on an equivalency. There is nothing to stop a school from quoting a percentage of total billed cost, but they'll have to convert it into a percentage of an equivalency when reporting it to the NCAA.
Note also that the total billed by a school is less than the COA.
But 11.7 schlarships means 11.7 equivalencies, and the minimum 25% is based on an equivalency. There is nothing to stop a school from quoting a percentage of total billed cost, but they'll have to convert it into a percentage of an equivalency when reporting it to the NCAA.
Note also that the total billed by a school is less than the COA.
mifdaddy, My son's offer was full tuition up to 28 hours per year. All other expenses were on him. Since he took 15 hours in the fall and 12 hours this spring, he had one hour of unused tuition money that I assume will not roll forward to summer. I need to check on that. They provided him with a list of all expected costs so he could compare his offer to others. It took all the confusion out of the offer. Now if you put it in percentages, the amount they paid was about 30% of his total expenses for his first year of school. He is a freshmen shortstop. The coach indicated that pitchers usually get the most money (usually up to 60%). I have no experience with JUCOs so a larger scholarship offer may be more common at JUCOs. Hope this information helps.
Thanks for all the great info. I can see how offers can take on a lot of different looks, but equivalency is how they all are measured. Thanks for clarifying equivalency as the measure and the specifics on particular offers. An offer of full tuition from a private school or out of state school would change the percentages dramatically. I have heard of out of state schools offering in state tuition, which works out to 25-40% overall.
Out of state schools sometimes have out of state waivers for test scores/grades, etc, allowing an out of state guy to pay in state tuition. Son's school also had a state program that paid for tuition for most in-state players. Scholly money mostly went to out-of-state guys. Most everyone on the team got tuition, books and a few bux for room and board.
Offers can disappear without notice. Sometimes they are offered to multiple players at the same time. First to commit gets the deal. It's musical chairs. A few exceptional players can always take their time. That's why they are exceptions.
Offers can disappear without notice. Sometimes they are offered to multiple players at the same time. First to commit gets the deal. It's musical chairs. A few exceptional players can always take their time. That's why they are exceptions.
quote:Originally posted by mifdaddy:
Thanks for the reply without the attitude, Prepster.
Mifdaddy, where would ever get the impression HSBBWebsters have attitude???? We are all one big happy family of baseball experts, lol.
I know of a player who was given a combination of athletic money with academic funds that equal 100%. And yes he is doing well in school and is the head bullpen catcher. Having a big offer does not guarantee anything except free education. So if x school can afford to waste scholarship money on a bullpen catcher look on the bright side, no loans.
D1 baseball is a dog eat dog world, where most freshman (non drafted out of HS) ride the pine. I can't tell you the number of D1 transfers son had at JC. And these were good players too. Over recruiting is still a problem, no matter what the NCAA says.
over recruiting in many casesiin the mind of parents
whose son gets cut or is on the bench
whose son gets cut or is on the bench
I wish you would get off the fence and be more forthcoming with your opinion of parents TR...... 
D-1 College baseball coaches do sign more players than they have scholarhips for. They do this for the same reason airlines frequently sell more tickets than they have seats on the plane: The reason? Not everyone shows up.
The airline people can run statistical models to tell them how many people traditionally don't show up on which flights on which days, so they can determine exactly (statistically speaking) how many 'extra' tickets they can sell before they have to start paying people to take a later flight. Most of the time, they're right. Sometimes they aren't.
The college coach gets one sample a year to base his decision on. Offer too few and you have money left over and (theoretically) a weaker team. Offer too many and he has to fix the problem somehow.
I wonder if the changes in the MLB draft will actually have more kids than 'normal' choosing college next fall. I suspect it will and we'll have more cuts than 'usual' next fall
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
The airline people can run statistical models to tell them how many people traditionally don't show up on which flights on which days, so they can determine exactly (statistically speaking) how many 'extra' tickets they can sell before they have to start paying people to take a later flight. Most of the time, they're right. Sometimes they aren't.
The college coach gets one sample a year to base his decision on. Offer too few and you have money left over and (theoretically) a weaker team. Offer too many and he has to fix the problem somehow.
I wonder if the changes in the MLB draft will actually have more kids than 'normal' choosing college next fall. I suspect it will and we'll have more cuts than 'usual' next fall
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
I wish you would get off the fence and be more forthcoming with your opinion of parents TR......
Dado4, you are right on, you never know where you stand with TR!
Too add to my previous post, the point here is baseball can help pay for your college. If the school has your field, go with the school that has that program and offers the best assistance. Son so far has no loans to worry about.
quote:Originally posted by Pop Up Hitter dad:quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
I wish you would get off the fence and be more forthcoming with your opinion of parents TR......
Dado4, you are right on, you never know where you stand with TR!
Too add to my previous post, the point here is baseball can help pay for your college. If the school has your field, go with the school that has that program and offers the best assistance. Son so far has no loans to worry about.
That's really the beauty part of the whole deal. With the average student loan debt for bachelor degrees nearly $30K, starting out with a small or no loan balance is very nice. I know that has been helpful to our family, our son particularly.
yessssssssssssss----two more non fans ---since I HAVE beenSLAPPED ON THE WRIST TOO MANY IMES FOR TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR not what they want to hear---- IN FACT I HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED--- NOW CAREFULLY CHOOSE MY WORDS BUT I STILL GET THREATENING EMAILS AND PMS---if I get suspended again my wife has told me she will take my computer away me say this with me what you see is what you get--- there are other posters on here who have you all foole---theytell you what you think you need to hear and what you need to hear
A lot of us actually really like to hear the truth, because we know it is a waste of time to have smoke blown up our...nostrils, yeah, nostrils. That might even be why we are on this discussion board. The assumption by some of these posters that they actually know EVERYTHING and there is no other opinion is bizarre and might indicate deep issues. The fact that some of them enjoy blasting people anonymously by telling them what they "need to hear" is just weird. This is a very dynamic game and the path to enjoying some financial assistance with school is confusing. If you can't add anything constructive, don't add anything.
gap---if you cannot find anything constructive in my posts then I DO NOT WHAT TO TELL YOU
quote:Originally posted by mifdaddy:
I'm not sure when my post was "snotty" at all. We also joined on the same day, but don't paint me with the gappower brush.
quote:Originally posted by gappower:
A lot of us actually really like to hear the truth, because we know it is a waste of time to have smoke blown up our...nostrils, yeah, nostrils.
Ok, here's some "truth." Stop trying to blow smoke up everyone else's 'nostrils' by posting under two different names and acting like you don't know what we're talkin' about.
who is thjat last post directed to ?
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
who is thjat last post directed to ?
If you're talkin' about mine...not you.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
who is thjat last post directed to ?
If you're talkin' about mine...not you.
Humor has taken over where guidance was lost!
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
yessssssssssssss----two more non fans ---since I HAVE beenSLAPPED ON THE WRIST TOO MANY IMES FOR TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR not what they want to hear---- IN FACT I HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED--- NOW CAREFULLY CHOOSE MY WORDS BUT I STILL GET THREATENING EMAILS AND PMS---if I get suspended again my wife has told me she will take my computer away me say this with me what you see is what you get--- there are other posters on here who have you all foole---theytell you what you think you need to hear and what you need to hear
TR, I look forward to your posts, sometimes harsh but you get to the point.