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roger has been the rocket since the 80's.but i'm a red sox fan.
What I thought was kind of amusing was that everyone kept saying what a stand up guy, honest guy, a guy of the highest integrity, religious guy Andy Petite was! Didn't he use illegal drugs too? Didn't he cheat too? The only difference is that he and Knoblock were dumb enough to admit doing it! If they would have denied it, this whole mess would have been over! When Mitchell said his recommendation was to not punish people for wrong deeds in the past, but to move forward and fix things for the future, that's what should have happened! This report should not have been made public and no names should have been included unless both sides were investigated.
I agree with what Clemens said yesterday, "using HGH or Steroids is a self imposed punishment." I think it's a stupid thing to do just like taking any other illegal drug, but BASEBALL should have taken care of the problem long ago and should now. The Government has no business sticking their noses in this situation. As long as we have 12 million people in this country defying our laws to become legal citizens and the Executive Branch sits by and does nothing, this incident is small potatoes!
I agree with what Clemens said yesterday, "using HGH or Steroids is a self imposed punishment." I think it's a stupid thing to do just like taking any other illegal drug, but BASEBALL should have taken care of the problem long ago and should now. The Government has no business sticking their noses in this situation. As long as we have 12 million people in this country defying our laws to become legal citizens and the Executive Branch sits by and does nothing, this incident is small potatoes!
quote:Originally posted by hokieone:
Fox News is reporting tonight the Feds have filed documents showing Barry Bonds tested positive for steroids in 2000.
And I was holding out hope
Sometimes all this is just worth a chuckle among all the sadness. I mean, we are to believe that Roger didn't know that McNamee gave his wife a shot of HGH in the butt in his master suite of his mansion. The bizarre gets more bizarre. That story was made up by Rusty Hardin because they knew there was new proof his wife took HGH. This is AFTER Roger denied his wife took HGH. My head is spinning after reading some of these congressional documents.
Several thoughts and observations and questions
1. If someone can guarantee this congressional hearing stuff can guarantee that in the future it will stop 95% of college, high school or youth league players from using steroids or HGH then let's go on with it. If it's not going to lead to any real change then let's drop it.
Also, this is not my idea. I got this from another thread and I think Trojan Skipper said it about helping kids - if I have given the credit to the wrong person then I apologize.
2. They are all liars and cheats. How in the world can we really tell who is the most truthful person talking?
3. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't steroids and HGH illegal to use, possess, sell or administer without having a real live from a real college / univeristy doctor administer it? Since McNamee has admitted to giving steroids why isn't he being arrested for breaking the law? Why isn't Pettite and Knoblauch being arrested for taking an illegal substance?
Just becaust it wasn't banned by MLB doesn't mean it's not against the law. MLB rules don't trump federal, state or local laws.
4. Nobody is going to jail. The physical evidence is not strong enough to convict anyone. Seriously gauze, needles from 8 years ago, a golf receipt from 10 years ago is not that credible. The people who would be testifying have lied on several occasions and have some sort of shady pasts.
1. If someone can guarantee this congressional hearing stuff can guarantee that in the future it will stop 95% of college, high school or youth league players from using steroids or HGH then let's go on with it. If it's not going to lead to any real change then let's drop it.
Also, this is not my idea. I got this from another thread and I think Trojan Skipper said it about helping kids - if I have given the credit to the wrong person then I apologize.
2. They are all liars and cheats. How in the world can we really tell who is the most truthful person talking?
3. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't steroids and HGH illegal to use, possess, sell or administer without having a real live from a real college / univeristy doctor administer it? Since McNamee has admitted to giving steroids why isn't he being arrested for breaking the law? Why isn't Pettite and Knoblauch being arrested for taking an illegal substance?
Just becaust it wasn't banned by MLB doesn't mean it's not against the law. MLB rules don't trump federal, state or local laws.
4. Nobody is going to jail. The physical evidence is not strong enough to convict anyone. Seriously gauze, needles from 8 years ago, a golf receipt from 10 years ago is not that credible. The people who would be testifying have lied on several occasions and have some sort of shady pasts.
quote:4. Nobody is going to jail. The physical evidence is not strong enough to convict anyone. Seriously gauze, needles from 8 years ago, a golf receipt from 10 years ago is not that credible. The people who would be testifying have lied on several occasions and have some sort of shady pasts.
The evidence is not important in this situation. McNamee only brought that forward AFTER the "Clemens team" chose to air the taped conversation on national TV which ticked of McNamee because of his son's medical condition.
The evidence, in my eyes, doesn't mean a thing and will probably never ever see the light of day. It's too old. McNamee would not have a chance of getting that admitted in a court of law.
I don't think this will get that far anyway. It's obvious that Clemens took HGH and I think this can just die where it is. No need for more tax dollars spent on this. Clemens and McNamee were made to look pretty foolish. No need to drag this out more. HGH/Steroids were very prevalent for a period of time and that's a fact. It was too easy to get and too easy to reap the rewards of recovery and strength from the drugs. Clemens "secret" is now out and we all know something took place.
I watched the hearing from start to finish and Clemens did not come off as very intellectual. He had several prepared answers that he gave regardless of the question. He was not sure of himself whenever he got forced into a corner but his lawyers were right there to help him.
On the other hand, McNamee never seemed to have to think about his answers. Despite his record of lying, he seemed to me to be answering the questions without hesitation, which is easier to do when telling the truth.
Of course, McNamee is a proven liar and a good one, but Clemen's didn't seem to have the candor of an honest man.
The one annoying part of the hearings for me was the Pedestal the Pettitte was placed on. He's just another liar and cheat who hides behind God.
First Pettitte denied taking steroids or HGH, then when they had proof of a couple of injections he broke down and confessed to taking HGH for just two days. He also said how sorry he was. Then we find out he admits to more usage when placed under oath. Then he tells the court he has to answer to God. Give me a break, why wasn't he answering to God from the beginning.
In my opinion, Pettitte has ZERO credibility.
Also, Pettitte's wife gave meaningless testimony since she offered nothing except to repeat what her husband told her.
Bottom line, Clemen's did not prove his innocence(not that he could have) but he also did not present himself as the more believable man.
On the other hand, McNamee never seemed to have to think about his answers. Despite his record of lying, he seemed to me to be answering the questions without hesitation, which is easier to do when telling the truth.
Of course, McNamee is a proven liar and a good one, but Clemen's didn't seem to have the candor of an honest man.
The one annoying part of the hearings for me was the Pedestal the Pettitte was placed on. He's just another liar and cheat who hides behind God.
First Pettitte denied taking steroids or HGH, then when they had proof of a couple of injections he broke down and confessed to taking HGH for just two days. He also said how sorry he was. Then we find out he admits to more usage when placed under oath. Then he tells the court he has to answer to God. Give me a break, why wasn't he answering to God from the beginning.
In my opinion, Pettitte has ZERO credibility.
Also, Pettitte's wife gave meaningless testimony since she offered nothing except to repeat what her husband told her.
Bottom line, Clemen's did not prove his innocence(not that he could have) but he also did not present himself as the more believable man.
quote:What do you think about Roger Clemens?
Again, the list of users and abusers will end up larger than the non-users.....
MOVE ON