What happened to all the experinced High School coaches?

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Originally posted by PGStaff:

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PG with all due respect when you say a player needs to "deal with these kind of issues"-what suggestions can you provide that will help them to deal with this level or similar levels of incompetence from their coach?

It is easy to sit back and just say they must deal with it- how about some real world answers about how best to deal with it and I do hope your answer does not involve how they should just pay into the PG showcases for all the recognition they need.

ne,

No suggestions other than to play hard each and every time out no matter who is in the crowd.

Yes, it is easy to sit back and say deal with it. There are thousands of players who have overcome that obsticle. Of course thousands of others fail because they didn't or couldn't deal with it. Do you think every major league player or even DI player had the luxery of great high school coaches?

I wouldn't want a player to pay PG anything if they suffered from excuse problems. If things didn't work out they would blame us. Your coach is not responsible for making you a good player or securing your future. We can't help everyone, save your money.

I can't see any reason why knowing a college coach was in attendance could make any difference in what that college coach ends up seeing. When I was a college coach I would watch many players without them knowing I was there. In fact, I prefered it that way. Good players are good players no matter who is watching.

So my suggestion is... Every time out, play like every scout and college coach in the country is watching you. If the incompetence of the coach makes you an incompetent player... You don't have what it takes! Take responsibility for your own actions! What else can you do?

The above is a great reply to copy and keep handy when one's player enters HS.
IMO, too many people think that it is the HS coaches job to prepare for the next level, some do but most don't.
Not one college coach that I am aware of came exclusively to watch son play, and FWIW, we couldn't have cared less whether they did if anyone told us or not.
It's very difficult for other parents to be sitting in the stands knowing that one player is getting lots of attention and others aren't, I think the coach did the right thing (not mentioning it). Who needs a parent in the stands telling everyone that guy from the D1 is here to see MY player.
Player and his parents need to deal with these issues.

JMO.

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Originally posted by ne14bb:

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He overlooked son's game preparations, work ethic, productivity, his numbers and team contributions surpassed his pet player stats by a wide margin

In line with PG - the visiting D1 AD did not overlook the above and it was what ultimately got son recruited. But were it not for some targeted marketing of son to D1 coaches we did, this college team never would have known son existed. Just did not appreciate having done the legwork to get colleges interested to then have HS coach ignore that interest came a calling (3X we know of) and it was real.

Which goes to need for parents to be proactive in recruiting stages and as is well covered in recruting threads-to not ever rely on HS coaches to get your kid to the next level.

I just saw this.
You seem to be pretty outspoken. I don't know the coach so have no clue whether your son's coach is how you portray him. However, mentioning that he didn't let anyone know tells me more about how he does things than you realize. Appears that you felt that your son deserved the attention from the 3 visits, I think I can understand why you all weren't told.

And there is absolutely NO reason why a school should alert anyone that XYZ is coming to see a particular player. If a player signs, then by all means go ahead and shout it out to the world.

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Perhaps the very reason (need) for the abundant non HS season teams, tourneys (i.e East Cobb) and showcases available today that provide higher level evaluations and opps for recruiting.

Or perhaps the fact that these teams have been built up the way they have is the reason good coaches have left the high school ranks. It's too much of a hassle to deal with parents who think their kid is the next Albert Pujols because this "select" team says he is going to be.

And there is absolutely NO reason why a school should alert anyone that XYZ is coming to see a particular player. If a player signs, then by all means go ahead and shout it out to the world.[/QUOTE]

You don't know is correct. Son already had the interest of this college from summer clinic he went to plus as noted, our follow up contacts and among other colleges, he had already had early acceptance letter from this college. Add he told his HS coach all about this and 2 other schools in Fall ball of his senior year.

Visiting AD never asked to be kept a secret and "thought" HS coach did or would have been more outspoken about his visits to see our son. Especially when he learned our son almost committed to a different college because he felt the AD's school lost interestin him.

As noted, he was shocked to find out later HS coach never said a word to our son, to anyone.

You can think there was some underlying justifiable reason why he would keep this to himself but per OP, these kind of coaches do exist. Making excuses for them or blaming parents who DID get their kids noticed in spite of a HS coach; does not belie the fact many HS coaches have their own personal agenda's that can prove detrimental to some players getting to the next level. That is the reality players are going to have to "deal with" and PG made great points in line with mine on how best to do that.

ne14bb- I don't believe it is very appropriate to come here, bash your son's high school coach, and then bash a poster who tries to outline the situation as a devil's advocate. Is your son's coach right or wrong? No one here can know because no one here knows the situation more than what you've outlined in your previous posts. No need to get defensive

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Originally posted by TPM:
You seem to be pretty outspoken.

That's funny.

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TPM Posts: 14716

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Originally posted by SultanofSwat:

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Originally posted by TPM:
You seem to be pretty outspoken.

That's funny.

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TPM Posts: 14716

That is funny? What have you contributed to this board lately that is meaningful and of some value? Tell me, clue me in, please. You think it's ok to bash a HS coach?

What I meant is that ne appears to be very angry.
Is he really all that angry just about not telling his son an AD made a visit from a school son was interested in? Since when do AD's recruit, can they do that? Did he visit during a dead or quiet period?

ne,
I am with JH, I also think it's unfair to bash anyone who is not here to defend themselves. Your son could have been in contact with coach and they could have been with him as well. Did the AD ask to let your son know he was coming? If your son was not a senior he couldn't talk to him anyway, could he have?

I am going to assume this is water under the bridge, am I correct, your son is playing college ball now?

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Originally posted by TPM:
That is funny? What have you contributed to this board lately that is meaningful and of some value? Tell me, clue me in, please.

Wow. Bitter doesn't become you.

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Originally posted by SultanofSwat:

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Originally posted by TPM:
That is funny? What have you contributed to this board lately that is meaningful and of some value? Tell me, clue me in, please.

Wow. Bitter doesn't become you.

Sorry, I didn't find your post humorous or of any value to the discussion. So what do you think? Do you think it's fair to coach bash here on the HSBBW? Do you think that the coach should have informed the player and parent that an AD was coming? Don't you think that the coach from the D1 could have called the player and told him the AD was coming? Why didn't he do that? Do you think that we know the entire story, Sultan what is your opinion on this? Do you think that ne has the right to be so upset that he should bash a coach here?

The exposure aspect of recruiting is not the responsibility of a player's high school coach. It is the responsibility of the player. PG's sentiment about playing hard and allowing yourself to be appealing to a college coach or professional scout is right on, but is not the only thing a player can do in order to put themself in a position they want to be in. If a player is interested in a school, why not keep in contact with the coach? Email him, call him, etc. Ask him when he's coming to watch you play, send him your schedule, etc. Why sit back and just wait for the coaches to come see you and hope they do? Put yourself in the best possible situation for YOU to be successful. No one in life is capable of making you happiest except you. No need to leave your future in the hands of someone else and have no control over it.

Also, another question for ne14bb. If all that you said was true, and the college coach/AD was THAT interested in your son, why wouldn't they just contact your son directly?

I am confused as to who was recruiting the player, the AD or the coach?

Why did an AD have to show up 3 times to see the player?

You are suggesting that your son's HS coach didn't do for your son because he was jealous?

Just seems that you have an axe to grind against the coach, as you posted negatively he suggested D3 for your son (what was wrong with that), overlooked him while he paid attention to his pet player.

What did you want him to do actually?

Where does your son play?

I have seen where a couple of people have asked why the coach or ad did not reach out to the player. Please remmber that NCAA rules leave a very small window of opportunity for a player to be contacted directly. That's part of the reason a coaches interaction and information is vital. If a player knows that a coach is interested that gives them time to contact the coach themselves. The coaches of these colleges are expecting the coaches of the high schools to pass the information to these players that they are interested so the player will take the initiative to contact. You cannot act on what you do not know.

If ne14bb's son was a senior in high school at the time of this occuring, then the coach had ample time to contact him. From July 1st of the summer previous to a student's senior year of high school and further, coaches are permitted to contact players. There is never a time prior to this date that a college coach cannot write, email or call a prospective recruit.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...+Recruiting+Calendar

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Also, another question for ne14bb. If all that you said was true, and the college coach/AD was THAT interested in your son, why wouldn't they just contact your son directly?

I addressed this and other things in different rants. AD was also a former HC of baseball he was sent as coaches were in middle of their own seasons. This AD also knew the area and had acquaintances in the area. The rest seems moot at this point.

To the original poster (OP), as I have learned, keep in mind when you come to this site that you are seeking feedback with a lot of current coaches and former coaches from all levels. Though I myself am going on 27 years of coaching also fit into that group though no more at HS level- it seems I broke some kind of protocol or code by daring to tell of real experiences my son and I dealt with from his now former HS coach.

If that kind of coach needs to be protected by the frat here then so be it. I went against the grain on the forum feedback and can handle the criticisms.

BTW, wife and ground our axe already. I was responding, call it re-grinding, to the OP about our experiences with coaches like he described.

My wife and I (both career teachers and coaches) with parent booster support, dealt directly with that coach, and his administration on this issue when it came to light as the season was drawing to a close. After he was tongue tied in a meeting we called prior to graduation where it would FINALLY be noted, to explain to his AD and Supt why they were never made aware my son was being sought after then recruited by this college- (while other players were so noted during season by coach) he was given a good tongue lashing by same. My son got his forced insincere apology from the coach as did we.

There is some agreement on here these kind of coaches exist as well as it is agreed there are plenty more coaches that go above and beyond for their players. Protecting and or somehow defending this type of coach as if he is some how connected to your respected frat or visits this site and could be a regular contributor leaves me chuckling.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I simply asked why, if your son had the skill set to be able to play at this particular school, did the coaching staff not contact him directly. I didn't question the AD coming or your motives coming here. I don't care what happened behind closed doors between you and the coach and I don't particularly care that the coach seemed unsympathetic to your son's self-proclaimed predicament. To me, you come off as just another whiny parent that tries to undermine a coach and his authority, right wrong or indifferent. If I were running a program and knew of a player with a parent who speaks out the way you have, I'd certainly have second thoughts welcoming that young man into my program.

And for the record, I don't know what "frat" you mentioned. I'm a college pitcher who despised my high school coach and went about things myself to get where I am. I shut up, played, and was happy with my result. I didn't need an apology or a school board to get back at my coach because it wasn't important to me.

why was the player or his family notcalled by the college coach, ad prior to the visit iknew evry time one of my sons was going tgo have a college coach come to see thrm play--- and thesame goes for the kids on our travel team also I do not know of too many ad's,if any who make recruiting trips such as described herein.

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And for the record, I don't know what "frat" you mentioned. I'm a college pitcher who despised my high school coach and went about things myself to get where I am. I shut up, played, and was happy with my result. I didn't need an apology or a school board to get back at my coach because it wasn't important to me.

Well put. There are some mediocre to bad high school coaches out there but if you have baseball ability you can get to a college of your choice without his assistance. If he tries to undermine your efforts, then recruiters can see right through the bull ****. My son talked with college pitching coaches and head coaches all the time and knew where he stood without the high school coach getting involved. I'd rather have it that way than be drinking buddies with the guy anyway. Credit where credit is due, at least your son doesn't have to tell anybody how he owes his success to the high school coach.

Hey, he could be headed for Iraq or Afghanistan. Now that's something to get upset about.

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Originally posted by ne14bb:
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To the original poster (OP), as I have learned, keep in mind when you come to this site that you are seeking feedback with a lot of current coaches and former coaches from all levels. Though I myself am going on 27 years of coaching also fit into that group though no more at HS level- it seems I broke some kind of protocol or code by daring to tell of real experiences my son and I dealt with from his now former HS coach.

If that kind of coach needs to be protected by the frat here then so be it. I went against the grain on the forum feedback and can handle the criticisms.

No one has really addressed the OP. I happen to agree with him, there are probably many coaches, at many different levels, that shouldn't be coaching, however his post wasn't as personal as yours. We are not protecting anyone.....however I have been here a very long time (why so many posts), usually one can tell the difference between when someone has a personal ax to grind and someone who genrally just needs to let off steam. What I think is that your son's coach didn't have the confidance in him that you think he should have, but hey, that happens very often, to many others, but as JH states, you do what you have to do and move forward and do not place blame on anyone for anything but yourself.

I too find it strange that the coach never contacted the player to tell him the AD was coming (he could, as the player was a senior). Coaches that really want players will find the time and ways to contact them, regardless of the time of year it is.

TR has been around a long time and if says he never heard of an AD coming to see a player (past coach or not) I beleive it.

BTW, where did your son end up?

Yep, there's lots of us bad hs coaches who don't throw a huge cake party every time there is a college AD at the ballpark.

I get it, he didn't promote your kid to your liking but it sounds like kids talent promoted himself just fine so it worked out fine. Good luck.

Hey everyone don't forget the frat function over at my apartment later tonite... It's going to really be rad!

I'm calling BS on this story....1st of all it's illegal for someone other than the 3 designated recruiting coaches to go out on official recruiting visits off-campus....if an AD is stupid enough to do that, then i'd question going there in the 1st place...2nd, if the college coach didn't call and say "we're coming to see you play" then maybe, just maybe he wasn't there to see your kid play....maybe his nephew is on the team, maybe he was bored, I don't know...after reading your posts, I find it obvious why the Coach didn't speak to you about this (or anything for that matter).

Give me a break...