This is an issue. It is tough to find a coach who is willing to put in the time required when financially they make peanuts.
Also, if you are relying on your coach or AD to assist you in the recruiting process I think you are making a big mistake. The athlete and his family need to take on this responsibility. Again, I see a lot of coaches who are not willing to do this because of the time commitment.
A coach told me once it's pretty hard to help the few who truely have the skills to go onto the next level and not the others. I think that is why most don't. In this case, seems like the parent resented that he helped one and not others, I understand, but with how the year ended, I could see why the coach wanted to stay away. It's a shame, the son probably is very nice and respectful and probably not as upset as the parent.
I am not really sure I understand, the player had only 3 HR in 3 HS seasons, if a really good student why would a suggestion of a D3 be a bad thing? Did you know that our own JH plays for a D3 program and he does pretty well for himself. I would suppose he fund recruiting tough in HS as well as most but like he has written here, he took care of his own business and made it happen and never laid blame on anyone, even the HS coach he didn't care for.
The scenerio continues as this is the same type of parent that gets upset when he finds out that a scout came to watch and no one told him/her he was there.
I am also curious why ne posted a while back about a player who signed but not announced on teh website, was this the player who was the coaches pet? If it was, shouldn't one just worry about their own player, not what does or doesn't happen with another? As I said all of these things seem to tie into one, the parent upset with the coach, the parent upset others are getting attention and not their player.
I asked, ne, where did your son end up, which type of program, was it the one with the recruiting AD? If so, I am not sure I understand the beef, that would make it old news correct?
I am not really sure I understand, the player had only 3 HR in 3 HS seasons, if a really good student why would a suggestion of a D3 be a bad thing? Did you know that our own JH plays for a D3 program and he does pretty well for himself. I would suppose he fund recruiting tough in HS as well as most but like he has written here, he took care of his own business and made it happen and never laid blame on anyone, even the HS coach he didn't care for.
The scenerio continues as this is the same type of parent that gets upset when he finds out that a scout came to watch and no one told him/her he was there.
I am also curious why ne posted a while back about a player who signed but not announced on teh website, was this the player who was the coaches pet? If it was, shouldn't one just worry about their own player, not what does or doesn't happen with another? As I said all of these things seem to tie into one, the parent upset with the coach, the parent upset others are getting attention and not their player.
I asked, ne, where did your son end up, which type of program, was it the one with the recruiting AD? If so, I am not sure I understand the beef, that would make it old news correct?
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
When I was a college coach I would watch many players without them knowing I was there. In fact, I preferred it that way.
Nothing wrong with the ninja approach. If you fall head over heels for a kid, you can stick around. If you see him as a possible recruit, you can follow up, later. If you're not impressed, you can simply move on. No one gets false hope. No one's feelings get hurt. I understand your desire to fly low.
One time, a guy shows up in the middle of a game wearing a blue baseball cap. Big, athletic dude. He stood along the RF fence, by himself. Looking at his watch. Writing stuff down. Seemed to know the other team's coach. Waved to the right fielder. On his cell phone. Watching the game and writing stuff down.
Whispers in the crowd. The word gets around he's a scout for UDelaware, checking out some players.
Next thing you know, I see a dad from our team go over, introduce himself, shake the guy's hand... (I'm sure this dad thought it was his son that was being watched.) Dad was there for less than a minute. He comes back.
"Well...?" his wife asks.
"That's the other team's bus driver. He's doing a crossword puzzle."
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No. 8 down: Tricked or deceived. Five letters. Starts with "D".
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No. 8 down: Tricked or deceived. Five letters. Starts with "D".
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Antzdad, now that's funny!
Who's to say whether a HS Coach is good or bad? A HS coach, in any sport, as many concerns and responsibilities far removed from the actual teaching of the game's skills.
He must teach sportsmanship, team work, ethics and morals as well as the sport specific skills. He must teach pre-planning and travel behavior. He must teach that the players are representing their team and their school more so than themselves. He must teach that a player's behavior and "play" reflects on the school.
I believe, in the recent years where many are playing on more competitive travel teams that the basic requirements for a quality HS Coach have been forgotten.
While I of course like to see quality top notch baseball being played and taught I firmly believe that it is more important that a HS coach teach gentlemanly competitive behavior and strong team skills along with a quest for academic excellence.
Who's to say whether a HS Coach is good or bad? A HS coach, in any sport, as many concerns and responsibilities far removed from the actual teaching of the game's skills.
He must teach sportsmanship, team work, ethics and morals as well as the sport specific skills. He must teach pre-planning and travel behavior. He must teach that the players are representing their team and their school more so than themselves. He must teach that a player's behavior and "play" reflects on the school.
I believe, in the recent years where many are playing on more competitive travel teams that the basic requirements for a quality HS Coach have been forgotten.
While I of course like to see quality top notch baseball being played and taught I firmly believe that it is more important that a HS coach teach gentlemanly competitive behavior and strong team skills along with a quest for academic excellence.
quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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No. 8 down: Tricked or deceived. Five letters. Starts with "D".
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Duped!
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No. 14 across: Conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate. Seven letters. Starts with "C".
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No. 14 across: Conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate. Seven letters. Starts with "C".
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I have had a lot of players recruited over the years. Sometimes they were kids everyone knew about. College coaches were at many games. All they wanted was a schedule before the season started. If they were a pitcher they called at the start of the week to see when they would be throwing. If they were a position player they just came and there was no need for them to announce it to anyone. Sometimes the player was not a well known player and I made the contact and invited the coach or coaches to come see the kid play. Sometimes another coach told some coaches about one of my players and I did the same many times.
Several years ago I had a good player I thought was a mid major D1 possible a def D2 guy. I told him that UNCG was coming to see him play. The kid was a nervous wreck and stunk it up. Made three errors and pressed at the plate. From that point on I never said a word when I knew a coach was coming to see a player that was not used to having coaches come see him play. Most of the better players spend the entire summer and fall playing in front of college coaches. They are used to it and understand to just play the game. Some kids not used to it struggle. IMO there is no advantage to knowing. A player should approach the game the exact same way regardless.
I have never heard of an AD recruiting or scouting for a college coach. But I dont doubt your story so that is quite unusual. I see no advantage to knowing. If they like your kid they like your kid wether he knows about them being there or not. You sound bitter and angry and I hope your not. It sounds like everything worked out fine for your son. There is no benefit to holding grudges and being bitter. Some coaches do a great job working for their players and some do not.
The player not knowing or being informed that someone is there to watch him has no bearing on future opportunities from that program. His performance when they are watching is all that matters.
Several years ago I had a good player I thought was a mid major D1 possible a def D2 guy. I told him that UNCG was coming to see him play. The kid was a nervous wreck and stunk it up. Made three errors and pressed at the plate. From that point on I never said a word when I knew a coach was coming to see a player that was not used to having coaches come see him play. Most of the better players spend the entire summer and fall playing in front of college coaches. They are used to it and understand to just play the game. Some kids not used to it struggle. IMO there is no advantage to knowing. A player should approach the game the exact same way regardless.
I have never heard of an AD recruiting or scouting for a college coach. But I dont doubt your story so that is quite unusual. I see no advantage to knowing. If they like your kid they like your kid wether he knows about them being there or not. You sound bitter and angry and I hope your not. It sounds like everything worked out fine for your son. There is no benefit to holding grudges and being bitter. Some coaches do a great job working for their players and some do not.
The player not knowing or being informed that someone is there to watch him has no bearing on future opportunities from that program. His performance when they are watching is all that matters.
quote:Originally posted by Harv:
Antzdad, now that's funny!
Who's to say whether a HS Coach is good or bad? A HS coach, in any sport, as many concerns and responsibilities far removed from the actual teaching of the game's skills.
He must teach sportsmanship, team work, ethics and morals as well as the sport specific skills. He must teach pre-planning and travel behavior. He must teach that the players are representing their team and their school more so than themselves. He must teach that a player's behavior and "play" reflects on the school.
I believe, in the recent years where many are playing on more competitive travel teams that the basic requirements for a quality HS Coach have been forgotten.
While I of course like to see quality top notch baseball being played and taught I firmly believe that it is more important that a HS coach teach gentlemanly competitive behavior and strong team skills along with a quest for academic excellence.
That is a great post.
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TPM, because you did not agree with NE, he isn't going to answer your questions.
NE,as a parent during HS, it did not matter to us if anyone was coming. As a matter of fact we don't know to this day if anyone came to watch him. As it turned out, his talent and hard work got him a school to play for. During son's sophomore year at JC, he was told of several coaches coming to see him. Guess what, he stunk it up big time because he knew they were watching him. Some kids do well under those circumstances, others not so well.
I can relate to being upset with HS coach, but in the end a good player doesn't need their help. In a few years you will look back and say "I got upset over nothing". Trust me, been there done that.
NE,as a parent during HS, it did not matter to us if anyone was coming. As a matter of fact we don't know to this day if anyone came to watch him. As it turned out, his talent and hard work got him a school to play for. During son's sophomore year at JC, he was told of several coaches coming to see him. Guess what, he stunk it up big time because he knew they were watching him. Some kids do well under those circumstances, others not so well.
I can relate to being upset with HS coach, but in the end a good player doesn't need their help. In a few years you will look back and say "I got upset over nothing". Trust me, been there done that.
What happened to all the experienced high school coaches is they probably got sick of so many parents telling them how to do their job! If the parents know so much why aren't they coaching?? I have been amazed at the behavior I have seen by parents of athletes.
quote:If the parents know so much why aren't they coaching??
My dad is a high school basketball coach. He has been for most of 35 years in 3 states. In August he got fired. "They" decided to go a different route. Now he is an assistant coach. On a local website, people were ripping him left and right. "He knows knothing, etc." The school ended up begging him to come back because they couldn't find somebody to step up and take the position. After telling them to get lost at least once or twice, he finally agreed to come back. He and the head coach are really good friends and he truly cares about the kids. His JV team ended up going 11-5 this year. The head coach has resigned, but my dad is considering returning next year if the new coach wants him to. He's tired of the cr*p that goes on in the school setting today both as a coach and as a teacher.
My son has a pretty bad coaching situation entring this season. Basically a football coach, wannabe baseball coach. I told him its a 2 month season and your off to your travel/summer team. Suck it up, carry the team and dont expect any favors. My kid catches, pitches, 3b all at high level. The coach has an attitude, my sons got to learn to get through it. Cant do anything about it, it really sucks. I feel for other top notch players in the same situation. If the coach was one of these guys that demanded all players play summer ball for him, Im afrid we would have to change schools, which means MOVE. How bad is that. I could see many kids dropping out of baseball, maybe thats the problem???
CaBB I know many coaches who got out of coaching in HS for that reason. They simply got tired of having to deal with it. They were really good coaches. A couple had coached in college and decided to teach and coach in hs because they were tired of having to travel so much and recruiting. I have been amazed at how some parents will go to war over where there son hits in the line up and never say a word to their kids about poor academic performance or poor behavior.
Yes there are some coaches that are not as good as others. But come on its hs baseball and if a kid is going to excell at this game lets be honest. If he has to rely on the hs coach to push him and develop him in a 3 month time span a year is he really a player? Does he really want it? Does he really have what it takes? The kids that do will. What are you doing those other 9 months of the year? What are you doing on your own? Its just too easy to blame it on someone else. Its too easy to find a scape goat.
Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
Yes there are some coaches that are not as good as others. But come on its hs baseball and if a kid is going to excell at this game lets be honest. If he has to rely on the hs coach to push him and develop him in a 3 month time span a year is he really a player? Does he really want it? Does he really have what it takes? The kids that do will. What are you doing those other 9 months of the year? What are you doing on your own? Its just too easy to blame it on someone else. Its too easy to find a scape goat.
Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
quote:Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
true ....how very true. most of us go through the spell where our blood type is b-negative.
as i tell my workers, you never go to the supply house and hear good story's about other contractors. only the bad stuff sells. worry about what you can control, the rest goes out with the dishwater.
quote:He quit right before my son started high school and I asked him why. He said he got tired of dealing with parents, and the administration taking the side of the parents.
I did it for 25 years and I truly enjoyed it. There were a couple instances the last year or 2 sort of let me see the proverbial writing on the wall. The above statement is one that talking to present coaches comes up more often than you would think. What was great was I coached. they basically left me alone. parents came to the game watched and went home. Now i see where a lot of coaches have a meeting with the parents at the beginning of the season to let them know what is expected of their sons. In all my years never had a meeting. Now you have to explain to parents what being a member of a baseball team entails? and of course you have the parent booster club. Well intentioned but I have heard where in some cases it gets a little iffy.
As a friend says it is what it is. If you can handle it you stick around.
Originally posted by seventhinningstretch:
Where did all of the High School coaches that had some sort of Collegiate, minor league and or professional carreers go?
Almost every head coach in our area fits that mold, and I do not think our part of the country is unique.
I am concerned these guys that sell themselves as coaches and teachers can hurt the seasoned players both physically and mentally.
Well, on the national level, there is no need for you to concern yourself about such things.
In fact I think that some of the players are better educated than they are. Is anyone seeing the same thing?
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I especially like someone questioning my capability as a teacher that has no grasp of the basic rules of capitalization, spelling, and grammar.
Where did all of the High School coaches that had some sort of Collegiate, minor league and or professional carreers go?
Almost every head coach in our area fits that mold, and I do not think our part of the country is unique.
I am concerned these guys that sell themselves as coaches and teachers can hurt the seasoned players both physically and mentally.
Well, on the national level, there is no need for you to concern yourself about such things.
In fact I think that some of the players are better educated than they are. Is anyone seeing the same thing?
No
I especially like someone questioning my capability as a teacher that has no grasp of the basic rules of capitalization, spelling, and grammar.
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Yep.
Find it fascinating that a thread that originally asked the question "What happened to all the experienced coaches?" was in actuality/turned into a ***** session about perceived poor coaches. Doesn't take any great insight to see where the coaches all went...they got tired of spending more time explaining why Johnny hasn't gotten started/ recruited/signed yet...instead of what they wanted and should be doing; coaching/developing/teaching.
Long term…there is little sympathy among long term posters because most all of their have been down that same road…dealt with these situation, these coaches. The good news/bad news is to get used to it, learn to deal with it…use your energy to overcome, rise above, find a way around, wait them out…much as we might find it challenging, these type of supervisors are found all around us…as college coaches, as professors, as bosses, as wives and husbands…the faster our son’s learn to minimize their impact then the faster they move onward and upward...
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quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
CaBB I know many coaches who got out of coaching in HS for that reason. They simply got tired of having to deal with it. They were really good coaches. A couple had coached in college and decided to teach and coach in hs because they were tired of having to travel so much and recruiting. I have been amazed at how some parents will go to war over where there son hits in the line up and never say a word to their kids about poor academic performance or poor behavior.
Yes there are some coaches that are not as good as others. But come on its hs baseball and if a kid is going to excell at this game lets be honest. If he has to rely on the hs coach to push him and develop him in a 3 month time span a year is he really a player? Does he really want it? Does he really have what it takes? The kids that do will. What are you doing those other 9 months of the year? What are you doing on your own? Its just too easy to blame it on someone else. Its too easy to find a scape goat.
Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
Yep.
Find it fascinating that a thread that originally asked the question "What happened to all the experienced coaches?" was in actuality/turned into a ***** session about perceived poor coaches. Doesn't take any great insight to see where the coaches all went...they got tired of spending more time explaining why Johnny hasn't gotten started/ recruited/signed yet...instead of what they wanted and should be doing; coaching/developing/teaching.
Long term…there is little sympathy among long term posters because most all of their have been down that same road…dealt with these situation, these coaches. The good news/bad news is to get used to it, learn to deal with it…use your energy to overcome, rise above, find a way around, wait them out…much as we might find it challenging, these type of supervisors are found all around us…as college coaches, as professors, as bosses, as wives and husbands…the faster our son’s learn to minimize their impact then the faster they move onward and upward...
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Most high school coaches have always been bad. My High School coaches had me teaching the pitchers about mechanics when I played for them. I guess that's where it all started for me. However, with that kind of payroll what do you expect. I think most of them do their best and are very giving of their time, I will give them that.
We do have an amazing coach for Pleasant Grove High School in Utah. He knows a lot about the game and inspires the students.
We do have an amazing coach for Pleasant Grove High School in Utah. He knows a lot about the game and inspires the students.