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Great point infielddad.
He is benefitting from his HGH use.
yellow card to the EH ... premature articulation!!
Thats so funny.ROFLMAO
quote:Originally posted by Beezer:
I'm not saying it's not being used today (probably is). What I am saying is that in this particular case, he was using a prescribed medication for whatever reason that was then banned at which point he stopped. Had he continued using it after it was banned, he's guilty. Since he obtained it legally and ceased using it, I don't think he's guilty. Just my $.02.
There's the rub..who's to say that he quit using it? MLB doesn't test for HGH...he could've changed sources, and be injecting it right this very instant..and neither MLB nor the Indians would have a clue. The same goes for every other player in MLB.
If they won't test for it, then clearly that is an incentive to use it in order to sign a big contract. If it's possible to cheat, with the incentive of possibly making 1, 10, or 30 million bucks per year..then it's worth the risk to these guys.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
I see no message being sent---Byrd can pitch and there are not many solid pitchers around---
Baloney..there is a message being sent. Byrd's career was in jeopardy, until he procured HGH from a dentist under the guise of treating a phantom pituitary disorder.
Doing that resurrected his career to the point that he pitches better than when he was younger, and he's making more money than most families could hope to make in multiple lifetimes.
That's a powerful message.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Another thought---Mickey Mantle was followed by devils from within---he was the first male in his family to live thru his 40's---if he did not drink as he did and whatever else would he have been the player he was---for him you could easily say that alcohol was a performance enhancer for him but was and is still totally legal
I see you're still recycling that same nonsense you've been spewing for years.
Mantle may have used alcohol to deal with hios problems..but it's in no way a performance enhancer.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
If we as parents do what we should be doing as parents whatever Byrd or Bonds or any other athlete does, should not influence our kids---it all begins at home !!!
There are parents that are going to look at a contract like that..and supply HGH or steroids to their kids in order for them to sign that D1 scholarship offer, or that 1st round draft pick contract.
If you don't think so, themn you're delusional. It's classic "risk vs. reward".
your posts seem to have it in for dentists.quote:by 2seamer: he procured HGH from a dentist under the guise
you are a classic "anti-dentite"? .... no soup FOR YOU!!
Maybe it's time for me to visit MY dentist...... my Pituitary Gland is hurting!
quote:Originally posted by Bee>:your posts seem to have it in for dentists.quote:by 2seamer: he procured HGH from a dentist under the guise
you are a classic "anti-dentite"? .... no soup FOR YOU!!
a RAAAAABID Anti-Dentite!!
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Glove Man
I know full well that alcohol is a depressent but nobody can tell me that the likes of Ruth,Mantle didnt thrive on booze---in Mantle's case it killed a lot of his physical pain---trust me I can recall the nites I elbowed up with the likes of Mantle, Martin, Bauer etc---booze for them was a performance enhancer because they could not perform without it in their blood
Then why don't teams serve pregame beers? Weakest rationalization for sustance abuse in perhaps forever.
Read what I said all you naysayers---Mantle et al could not play without booze in their system---it was part of their makeup---not a rationalization at all--merely a statement of my belief
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Read what I said all you naysayers---Mantle et al could not play without booze in their system---it was part of their makeup---not a rationalization at all--merely a statement of my belief
Nothing like a depressant taken to speed up those voluntary movements required to hit a 90 mph fastball ????
Take a look at his career splits, pretty equal day or night games.
Not to get off the beaten track on the topic - but I think TR is right about this.
Mantle was a self-admitted hard core alcoholic. He couldnt do much of anything without alcohol in his system.
IMO - as for the message sent by MLB - and using just Byrd as an example - it is a pretty clear message to me.
If big money is involved - they couldnt care less about what the message is or who it is sent to.
That is the message. IMO.
Mantle was a self-admitted hard core alcoholic. He couldnt do much of anything without alcohol in his system.
IMO - as for the message sent by MLB - and using just Byrd as an example - it is a pretty clear message to me.
If big money is involved - they couldnt care less about what the message is or who it is sent to.
That is the message. IMO.
Oh please.Like the NFL doesnt have its own issues.They have more guys on steroids or growth hormone than baseball ever will
How come guys like Bonds are roasted,while a top linebacker like Shawne Merriman just is forgotten about?
How come guys like Bonds are roasted,while a top linebacker like Shawne Merriman just is forgotten about?
Probably because Shawne Merriman hasnt demolished any records - nor has he displayed the "in your face" attitude that Barry has his entire career.
Whats even worse - Merriman has had to pay the price - but Barry hasnt paid the price.
Barry also has some great lawyers.
Whats even worse - Merriman has had to pay the price - but Barry hasnt paid the price.
Barry also has some great lawyers.
The Babe never cheated!
Or did he?
Instant Replay would show that he is out of the batters box!!!