What moves first?

Answering the question of which of these two (hands/shoulders) moves first in the org. clip......hands, but that is disreguarding the other 200 parts of the body that move during the swing and the how.

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Originally posted by Coachric:
I've always used the term "hands" in teaching. However if it were really the hands, the swing would be made somewhere around the top of the shoulder or helmet. The hands are still connected to the wrist bone, the wrist bone connected to the arm bone, ...etc, etc. The hands do take action but only after the shoulders, elbows and arms put them in position to do so.
Are we really having this discussion, it seems rediculous.

Coachric,

When you turn on a water faucet, do you use your hands/fingers or do you use your elbow? When you use a screwdriver, do you use your hands/fingers or do you use your elbow? If I take the hands/fingers out of the equation, then I have to use my elbow, forearm and shoulder, but if I use my hands/fingers, I don't need the elbow or shoulder. Do I?

Spectacular.

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Spectacular.

Thanks, Mark....For anyone who isn't sure, Mark is saying I'm an idiot...Hope you fared well for Ike....I hope the hurricanes are over...

Any other thoughts on what I posted?

I'd like to hear 'em....

Ike just missed us-Thanks. You?

As to discussion, if we look up and I say the sky is blue and you say it's green, is there really a point in discussion?

We were good for Ike....Still cleaning up from Gustav....

I meant thoughts from others..

Hey Mark, looks like ya'll might have lost some good posters over at BBF....Sorry to see that....

hands lead shoulders?
sounds silly.

arms hands are along for the ride. ...

if you are being taught to lead/start with your hands, find a new instructor/coach... don't let "him" keep you from reaching your potential!

your window of opportunity is too short in this game...

but, if you are a LHhitter and run a 3.4 to first then maybe that hand thing might be in your best interest...

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arms hands are along for the ride. ...

Diablo, define "along for the ride".

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if you are being taught to lead/start with your hands

Do you not agree the shoulders don't turn until the hands/arm bring the barrel from tilt or vertical to "off shoulder or less vertical (or what ever term to describe it)"?


Furthermore, most advanced players understand how to use the lower body by late high school. Where they often fail is not understanding synchronization of body movements.

Sometimes it may be in synching the lower and upper bodies...or, sometimes it's what the hands/arms doing while "staying back" as the lower body moves forward and goes into rotation. Or, what they do when rotating the barrel forward.

I'm not saying hands act independently (without arms) of other body parts. But, to say they are "along for the ride" is a dangerous cue for someone still learning. No less dangerous than "keep your hands back".