After reading one of the previous posts, I am curious how many kids in the metroplex legitimately throw 90+.
*** It is just a question. I am not inquiring to ire the pitcher's that are successful under the 90+ mark.
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There are 3 at our HS. We are in the Houston area tho.
From dallasblog posts, I have surmised:
Lackie - McKinney NOrth
Lee - McKinney High
Any others scout's have clocked this season that you know about? Any lefty's throwing 90+?
Lackie - McKinney NOrth
Lee - McKinney High
Any others scout's have clocked this season that you know about? Any lefty's throwing 90+?
I have clocked 11 here in Houston and I've been told of a few more but have not had a chance to put the gun on them yet.
Poteet has two pretty hard throwing lefty's, Nowell is at 90-91 and I would say Good is pretty darn close as well. We also have a couple of righties in the mid to upper 80's, but none of our guys are blowing fastballs people.
Maybe if some of the younger cats develop into 90+ guys we'll figure out a way to win a game or two.
Maybe if some of the younger cats develop into 90+ guys we'll figure out a way to win a game or two.
tigerbalm -- it's an interesting topic and one we've discussed in the past. I think it's amazing how many "reported" 90's guys there are.....until it comes down to confirmation. Then the numbers dwindle.
pizza -- in the case of TK, his dad told me that he tops out at 89.....unless he crossed the magical barrier this weekend.
I have no doubt that he will be in the 90's one day soon.
pizza -- in the case of TK, his dad told me that he tops out at 89.....unless he crossed the magical barrier this weekend.
I have no doubt that he will be in the 90's one day soon.
PD thats what I had always been told. But at the HP game I would guess Teddy was in the 90 range. He was really pumping it that day, it was the hardest I had ever seen him throw.
Originally posted by pizzathehutt:
I would guess Teddy was in the 90 range.
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Key word: "guess"
I would guess Teddy was in the 90 range.
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Key word: "guess"
This is actually a great list and one I enjoy following.
Being a pitchers dad I have come to really enjoy watching those that do throw 90+ and can pitch.
While throwing 90 mph on a gun once is a nice indication of potential it by no means means that a pitcher is actually throw 90+ on any consistent basis.
There is a big difference between hitting 90 and pitching consistently at 90-92 mph. Very few do.
No one on Coppell's pitching staff does, yet.
Being a pitchers dad I have come to really enjoy watching those that do throw 90+ and can pitch.
While throwing 90 mph on a gun once is a nice indication of potential it by no means means that a pitcher is actually throw 90+ on any consistent basis.
There is a big difference between hitting 90 and pitching consistently at 90-92 mph. Very few do.
No one on Coppell's pitching staff does, yet.
Meatsdad,
That is what was so impressive about Friday night at McKinney North. Both kids were living at 90+, not on the Jugs but on the Stalker.
That is what was so impressive about Friday night at McKinney North. Both kids were living at 90+, not on the Jugs but on the Stalker.
"Lackie touched 91.. consistently 88-89,
Lee was consistent 91 through early innings and throwing fluidly..."
Above was post from dallasblog. I assume there were scouts there clocking according to a few of the posts.
I agree with Meatsdad, hitting 90 and being consistent are two different things.
Lee was consistent 91 through early innings and throwing fluidly..."
Above was post from dallasblog. I assume there were scouts there clocking according to a few of the posts.
I agree with Meatsdad, hitting 90 and being consistent are two different things.
Originally posted by tigerbalm:
"Lackie touched 91.. consistently 88-89,
Lee was consistent 91 through early innings and throwing fluidly..."
Above was post from dallasblog. I assume there were scouts there clocking according to a few of the posts.
I agree with Meatsdad, hitting 90 and being consistent are two different things.
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Tigerbalm,
I was there, there were 6 major league scouts all sitting behing home plate, 4 had Stalker guns running on each pitch. I was sitting there with Kiser of D-Bat and he asked one of them when he walked by what they were throwing. He said Lackie was 91 and Lee was consistently 92. No reason for him to lie to us.
"Lackie touched 91.. consistently 88-89,
Lee was consistent 91 through early innings and throwing fluidly..."
Above was post from dallasblog. I assume there were scouts there clocking according to a few of the posts.
I agree with Meatsdad, hitting 90 and being consistent are two different things.
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Tigerbalm,
I was there, there were 6 major league scouts all sitting behing home plate, 4 had Stalker guns running on each pitch. I was sitting there with Kiser of D-Bat and he asked one of them when he walked by what they were throwing. He said Lackie was 91 and Lee was consistently 92. No reason for him to lie to us.
Thank you pizza and been there.
quote:Originally posted by Robert S.:
Originally posted by tigerbalm:
"Lackie touched 91.. consistently 88-89,
Lee was consistent 91 through early innings and throwing fluidly..."
Above was post from dallasblog. I assume there were scouts there clocking according to a few of the posts.
I agree with Meatsdad, hitting 90 and being consistent are two different things.
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Tigerbalm,
I was there, there were 6 major league scouts all sitting behing home plate, 4 had Stalker guns running on each pitch. I was sitting there with Kiser of D-Bat and he asked one of them when he walked by what they were throwing. He said Lackie was 91 and Lee was consistently 92. No reason for him to lie to us.
Robert is correct! Also, Saturday I got it from a good source that Lackie did hit 92...pitched at 88-89.
bgood - he is just being a dad - I hope nothing but the best for any kid - but the only way good hits 90 is in his car with the pedal down. When he learns to thow strikes at 90+ you won't have to blow his horn. See post above .... scouts will tell us --- thats good info. Self promotion is not good info. Good luck !
quote:Originally posted by pizzathehutt:
Poteet has two pretty hard throwing lefty's, Nowell is at 90-91 and I would say Good is pretty darn close as well. We also have a couple of righties in the mid to upper 80's, but none of our guys are blowing fastballs people.
Maybe if some of the younger cats develop into 90+ guys we'll figure out a way to win a game or two.
Pizza,
Some of those young guys need to hit the 70s first. I heard from a very very reliable source that the well is beginning to run dry in Pirate ville for pitching and hitting.
Confirmed then. Lackie and Lee legit. Now the question is, who got the hits off them? Arizona signee? Robert S. - Lee is a true sophomore, correct?
I think he was red-shirted in 2006.
Pizza,
I was at the HP game and I don't have to guess. I was sitting next to a scout with a Stalker and the best fastball I saw was 85. Had he been throwing in the high 80's or low 90's early in the game, the guns would have come back out in the fifth inning. None did that I saw.
Having said that, Nowell pitched a great game and had a very good two seam fastball that he used to great effect against HP's right handed hitters.
I was at the HP game and I don't have to guess. I was sitting next to a scout with a Stalker and the best fastball I saw was 85. Had he been throwing in the high 80's or low 90's early in the game, the guns would have come back out in the fifth inning. None did that I saw.
Having said that, Nowell pitched a great game and had a very good two seam fastball that he used to great effect against HP's right handed hitters.
UE -- Giese and company is a salty group, eh?
Ted has hit 89 once..
85-87 is his range..
and the rest of the poteet guys are maybe 80-84..
85-87 is his range..
and the rest of the poteet guys are maybe 80-84..
quote:Originally posted by pizzathehutt:
I would guess Teddy was in the 90 range.
That's the problem. People like you who "guess" and say someone's throwing this or that, instead of using a gun and knowing.
I've clocked V. Woodruff at 91 this season on a Stalker.
Last summer at the Area Code tryouts, I saw Woodruff with my own eyes throwing 95 on a Jugs gun. That would translate to 93 on a Stalker...I think.
OPSon was throwing 89 on a Stalker in Cincinnati at the PG National Showcase last June and never was able to touch 90 there. He was throwing in significant pain in his back all last year, but now that he's healthy, (he had surgery in August to remove an elastofibroma tumor that was causing the pain) there could be a couple more mph in the tank when he's at full strength later in the year.
OPSon was throwing 89 on a Stalker in Cincinnati at the PG National Showcase last June and never was able to touch 90 there. He was throwing in significant pain in his back all last year, but now that he's healthy, (he had surgery in August to remove an elastofibroma tumor that was causing the pain) there could be a couple more mph in the tank when he's at full strength later in the year.
PD,
There were more baseball people at the game than I have ever seen at one game - in excess of 50 professional scouts as well as at least 6 scouting directors (they were lined up in RF to watch BP so it was easy to count). From what I was told, they were there primarily to see Howard's SS Tyler Ladendorf, and he did not disappoint. He is hitting a cool .597 with 8 HR and 12 doubles. He did just about everything you can do on a baseball field in two games, including stealing home. It was quite a show. Howard has a very talented team, although MCC was within one to two runs in both games going into the final two frames.
Giese used his "local knowledge" to his advantage on a couple of occasions - much to my chagrin. He is very good and Howard better enjoy having him while he is there.
There were more baseball people at the game than I have ever seen at one game - in excess of 50 professional scouts as well as at least 6 scouting directors (they were lined up in RF to watch BP so it was easy to count). From what I was told, they were there primarily to see Howard's SS Tyler Ladendorf, and he did not disappoint. He is hitting a cool .597 with 8 HR and 12 doubles. He did just about everything you can do on a baseball field in two games, including stealing home. It was quite a show. Howard has a very talented team, although MCC was within one to two runs in both games going into the final two frames.
Giese used his "local knowledge" to his advantage on a couple of occasions - much to my chagrin. He is very good and Howard better enjoy having him while he is there.
quote:Originally posted by tigerbalm:
Confirmed then. Lackie and Lee legit. Now the question is, who got the hits off them? Arizona signee? Robert S. - Lee is a true sophomore, correct?
tigerbalm,
Hit's for McKinney: C Andy Lalumandier
Hit's for North: CF Ty Crump & C Trey Sorrells
All 3 hits were singles.
Lee is a true sophomore. The kid has a BIG future if he stays healthy.
UE -- from what I understand, Ladendorf is the best JUCO player in the country and was probably in the top few last season as well ---- no way to sets foot on OU's campus. I'm happy for Jack. Also, I noticed MP having a nice season for MCC.
Merck has hit 90+ for Keller.
Lots of movement and his slider is looking nasty.
Lots of movement and his slider is looking nasty.
When I grow up, I'm going to be the dad in the stands that sits behind the scout just to see the radar gun.
Better yet, I'm gonna be the dad that buys his own radar gun.
Then I'll come back here and let you all know who's throwing 90.
This way you all won't have anything to argue about.
But what fun would that be?
Well, not as much fun as me laughing at you clowns.
Hahahahahahaahahahaha
Better yet, I'm gonna be the dad that buys his own radar gun.
Then I'll come back here and let you all know who's throwing 90.
This way you all won't have anything to argue about.
But what fun would that be?
Well, not as much fun as me laughing at you clowns.
Hahahahahahaahahahaha
Yeah Right!!!quote:When I grow up,
Ken "Bullwinkle" when are you going to have a positive constructive post to go along with all your knowledge... Since your parenting skills are above reproach please tell these dads(clowns)what they should be doing.
with over a 1000 posts you know what this topic leads to.
Honestly ken, I would like to hear your positive remarks about many topics, you have the ability to mentor many people on this site but you always seem come across as negative, uninformative, and overbearingly unaproachable.
quote:Originally posted by nortexbaseball:
please tell these dads(clowns)what they should be doing.
That's easy.
Get to the park early. Shake hands with all the scouts and let them all know when your son will be pitching and the last time he hit 90 mph.
After that, go tell your fellow parents how all the scouts are very interested and will be drafting him in early rounds.
Then, take off your jacket and expose your favorite D-1 sweat shirt. Simply lean over to a person close and mutter........."yeah, my boy got offered a full ride from this school."
When this is done, make sure you reserve that seat right behind a scout with a gun. Heaven forbid, you don't want to miss those speeds.
Get wide eyed when you see 90 show up and turn around to let the bleacher bums know........."oh yeah, he hit it......."
Then, just about the time your son takes the mound, let that scout know he just threw 45 pitches the day before in the pen. This is just in case he doesn't give that first round performance.
After it's all done, make sure you check the scoreboard. You'll need to know how many hits your son gave up compared to the teams errors. This is necessary when telling that story to your friends at work.
Finally, when you and the spouse are heading home......don't forget to tell her..........
"I can't believe the coach left him in that long."
That's all you got to do.
Bullwinkle regards,
quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:
As my 17 year old would say....
Whatever dude....
Don't let him say that..........
Scouts will think he's trouble.
Okay.... I laughed.... but if that is the worst thing he says in a day then I am okay with it. Ken - I know you have "seen it all"...but surely there were some humble parents along the way....one or two?
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Ken - I know you have "seen it all"...but surely there were some humble parents along the way....one or two?
Yep............
Mel Knight, father of Austin (Dallas Baptist University).
Shorty Pugh, father of Heath (Sam Houston University).
Joe Hood, father of Jared (University of Texas of Tyler).
Bob Sulentic, father of Matt. (Oakland A's)
Those are a few I can think about right now.
In fact, I don't think any of them ever cared about batting average. I don't think non of em' cared about playing time. I don't think they cared so much about who was watching them.............
About the only thing most of them cared about the character their son portrayed.
Of course, there was severe risk under the watchful eye of Bullwinkle.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
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About the only thing most of them cared about the character their son portrayed.
I think this is a more common trait in parents than you give us (hsbbweb posters) credit for.
Maybe I am naive ... but I have run across very few parents that did not have their son's character at the top of their list.
Ken,
I don't know you, and from reading your posts, I don't really care to. If you know 150 parents in the metroplex, that leaves 1000's you don't know. You might not want to use such a broad stroke.
I don't know you, and from reading your posts, I don't really care to. If you know 150 parents in the metroplex, that leaves 1000's you don't know. You might not want to use such a broad stroke.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:quote:
Ken - I know you have "seen it all"...but surely there were some humble parents along the way....one or two?
Yep............
Mel Knight, father of Austin (Dallas Baptist University).
Shorty Pugh, father of Heath (Sam Houston University).
Joe Hood, father of Jared (University of Texas of Tyler).
Bob Sulentic, father of Matt. (Oakland A's)
Those are a few I can think about right now.
In fact, I don't think any of them ever cared about batting average. I don't think non of em' cared about playing time. I don't think they cared so much about who was watching them.............
About the only thing most of them cared about the character their son portrayed.
When I got home yesterday, my son was watching "61". The movie was almost over, as a matter of fact they were interviewing Roger Maris in the locker room after he hit no. 61. One of the reporters asked him if he thought he earned the fans respect that day. Roger's reply, "I don't think you earn respect on the field"...that's character.
Ken,
Nice to have you back. Rain has slowed the board up a little, but I am sure you will get it going.
Come by and see us.
that's touching Kirk! 
...sounds like that's the most baseball the Wolves got in yesterday, since they couldn't interfere with track practice indoors...
you've gotta love the priorities of athletic programs these days
...sounds like that's the most baseball the Wolves got in yesterday, since they couldn't interfere with track practice indoors...
Surely Plano West would have access to an indoor facility around town somewhere.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
When I grow up, I'm going to be the dad in the stands that sits behind the scout just to see the radar gun.
Better yet, I'm gonna be the dad that buys his own radar gun.
Then I'll come back here and let you all know who's throwing 90.
This way you all won't have anything to argue about.
But what fun would that be?
Well, not as much fun as me laughing at you clowns.
Hahahahahahaahahahaha
Yes, Ken welcome back I always enjoy your perspective on things. (And most of the time I agree with you). This is one case where I will throw a cautionary BS flag. You are already proving to be "human" and your once clear non-parental glasses are starting to tint ever so slightly rose. The tell tail sign of this is your recent posting of your picture of young Gage. Why would you assume we want to see his (very cute) picture? You are obviously very proud and love him very much. Just like we are of our sons... The great thing about this board, is that most all on it are truely excited when they see the accomplishments of these kids. So keep posting his pics, we are all expecting great things from him. (Watch out you may even go collect that first homerun ball and step it off
)Sorry to ramble and welcome back....
quote:Originally posted by Robert S.:
Ken,
I don't know you, and from reading your posts, I don't really care to.
Seriously?
That's the worst news I've had in a long time.