I also have a 2015 LHP.....
fapatriot,
You are doing (have done) all the right things with your 2013 RHP. As I've suggested to others, possibly you want to lead with his grades/SATS to see if there is an academic school looking for a very good pitcher with your sons high performance in the classroom. We found a lot more success leading with what makes my son unique.
You are doing (have done) all the right things with your 2013 RHP. As I've suggested to others, possibly you want to lead with his grades/SATS to see if there is an academic school looking for a very good pitcher with your sons high performance in the classroom. We found a lot more success leading with what makes my son unique.
That is a good suggestion. He needs something to set him apart.
Here's an interesting update. Today we started digging through the websites of some of these programs that have "gone quiet."
In three cases they have announced coaching changes/resignations in the past two weeks. That kind of situation could very easily explain why things seem to have stalled.
Obviously, it's very easy to keep emailing the same people who are in your Contacts. 2013 sent new emails following up today.
In three cases they have announced coaching changes/resignations in the past two weeks. That kind of situation could very easily explain why things seem to have stalled.
Obviously, it's very easy to keep emailing the same people who are in your Contacts. 2013 sent new emails following up today.
How are his grades?
87-88 should land you at any D3 if the grades are ok. It should also be enough to get interest from Patriot league, Ivy League and mid major D1 in my opinion.
87-88 should land you at any D3 if the grades are ok. It should also be enough to get interest from Patriot league, Ivy League and mid major D1 in my opinion.
Grades have been good entire HS career. 3.2 GPA. SAT 1250 need some work there. Retaking this fall.
I feel your pain I have a 2013 in the same boat.quote:Originally posted by fapatriot:
I am the father of a 2013 RHP who throws in the mid to high 80's (84-86)has a CH and CB also throws a slider at 82-83. He has received very little attention despite being Pitcher of the Year in his conference as a Junior, earning a position on the NC amateur state games for Region 3 and being selected to play in the Central Carolina Scholastic Summer League All-Star game. Was told by one DI coach just a few weeks ago that the only thing keeping him from pulling the trigger on an offer was 2 MPH of velocity.I don't even know how to quantify that comment. All he has done is outperform his peers each time he takes the mound. He played a game early in the summer at the DAP in Durham NC against APDB which is the top of the food chain in eastern NC with nearly every roster spot already committed to an SEC school or an ACC school. he pitched the first 4 innings giving up one run on 1 hit (a homerun) and left the game with 38 pitches thrown with 6 or 7 k's and a 4-1 lead. We have had the emails and my son has made the phone calls all with high level DI and Mid Majors telling him they would be following his progress through the summer and that they liked what they see. But not a single phone call from any coach. I know that if he were throwing 88--90 the scenario would most likely be different but isn't there a place for this kid (who has tons of character and good grades in a challenging school)to play? He just doesn't know what else he needs to be doing. Any info would be helpful, Thanx
We were in a similar situation with my 2013 RHP, but I think the difference ended up being his size. He pitched very well at several events / showcases / tryouts, etc. but was "only" hitting 88-89 with his FB and there was interest but we heard the usual "we'll keep watching him and stay in touch" lines. It seemed like every coach wanted the radar gun reading to start with a 9 or they weren't interested. During all the traveling we did this summer he received a personalized camp invite to a D1, which we ended up going to after a lot of conversation because it seemed like just another expense with a slim chance of paying off. Fortunately he did well again (still didn't hit 90) and these coaches liked the fact that he got hitters out and realized that the velocity will increase over time. He committed three weeks ago after receiving a very solid offer because of the camp; which I'm now glad we went to. You never know what coaches are looking for but there's a place for every solid ball player out there...just have to keep getting them out there in front of coaches until you find it.
It's the lucky few who sign their letters in November. However, for the kids who can play/know how to win, but maybe don't jump off the field with all the obvious tools there are LOTS of opportunities in the winter, December and January camps. After the Nov. period when the first wave is over and the coaches get busy settling the final roster spots.
Don't kid yourself, lots goes on in the Winter, after the early signing and before High School baseball. My best advice is be active then, hit prospect camps of your son's targets and opportunities exist.
We had a Pac 12 commit from a high school team in May of his senior year last year. It's going to happen for someone, if your son is still out there it might as well be him. Don't give up
It's like a slump, how does a player respond to that?
Don't kid yourself, lots goes on in the Winter, after the early signing and before High School baseball. My best advice is be active then, hit prospect camps of your son's targets and opportunities exist.
We had a Pac 12 commit from a high school team in May of his senior year last year. It's going to happen for someone, if your son is still out there it might as well be him. Don't give up
It's like a slump, how does a player respond to that?
Cali that was a great posting.
To add to that, I think it is really important for current seniors to realize they may be late signers (or never sign), walk ons, maybe not play, maybe not get seen until next summer, etc etc. So unless you are commiting now / signing early, it is time to get college application process in HIGH gear. Those players need to do their college applications like everyone else, at the regular time.
I am sorry if this is obvious info, but for first time college bound famiies, it might not be that obvious.
Fill out the apps. Write the essays. Take and send the SAT /ACT scores. Talk to guidance. Submit the transcripts and letters of rec,etc.
Don't hold off on doing this assuming you will get recruited and that you only need to fill out one app!
That is so important, so that all of our sons have a few college options in place next spring if the recruiting process does not go as planned.
Early action deadlines are November 1 - 15.
Regular decision for slective colleges is usually a January 1 deadine.
Less selective schools and open enrollment programs of course will take applications much later.
To add to that, I think it is really important for current seniors to realize they may be late signers (or never sign), walk ons, maybe not play, maybe not get seen until next summer, etc etc. So unless you are commiting now / signing early, it is time to get college application process in HIGH gear. Those players need to do their college applications like everyone else, at the regular time.
I am sorry if this is obvious info, but for first time college bound famiies, it might not be that obvious.
Fill out the apps. Write the essays. Take and send the SAT /ACT scores. Talk to guidance. Submit the transcripts and letters of rec,etc.
Don't hold off on doing this assuming you will get recruited and that you only need to fill out one app!
That is so important, so that all of our sons have a few college options in place next spring if the recruiting process does not go as planned.
Early action deadlines are November 1 - 15.
Regular decision for slective colleges is usually a January 1 deadine.
Less selective schools and open enrollment programs of course will take applications much later.
quote:Originally posted by wogdoggy:
Dont take this the wrong way but 84-86 is a dime a dozen.If your kid can sit 88-90 for 4 to 5 innings thats what they want to see MINIMALLY.We have a kid that throws 86 and sits there for 7 innings he is 5 foot 8 and the d1 coach scout that happened to be at the game told me he was too small.the other thing they look at is projection and how he handles himself when he gets in trouble.You have to get active with the recruiting..send hios videos and schedules to d 3 schools or naia and get pro active
Not to give fapatriot any false hope, but not every kid pitching at the D1 level is in the 90's.
My son only topped out at 88 but was more of a mid 80's pitcher in his senior year of HS. He was not recruited by a lot of D1's mostly because of a lack of exposure late in the game. Then again we both were told D1's and top D2's only want 90+.
Funny thing is that when my son started to play D1 most of the kids on the team were not all these 90+ guys, nor were a decent amount of the teams they faced. Sure there were the typical studs touching the mid 90's, but by and large many of the pitchers were just top 80's guys. Heck some of the pitchers were low 80's guys, but knew how to pitch, not just throw.
The bottom line is that I've spoken to a decent number of parents who's sons are pitchers, and most tell the same story. The mid to low D1's are always looking for top velos just like the top programs, but their pitching staff is never made up of exclusively stud velo guys. So as long as your son can throw strikes, knows how to pitch, and is a bulldog on the mound, he can play for a decent number of schools D1-3 schools in the mid 80's. Of course being projectible to be throwing harder in the future certainly is a big plus.
I apologize for jumping in late. I realize that the recruiting road is stressful, but we're only in August and the early signing period is still well over two months away for the 2013's. As calisportsfan said, a small percentage of players sign in the early signing period, many more student athletes sign afterwards. My 2011 son committed to a D-1 program one week prior to the early signing period in 2010 a couple weeks after attending a showcase tournament in Arizona (Yes, it was stressful). His HS teammate & best friend committed to a WCC school in early July. Another HS teammate that just recently graduated was slated to attend a local JC as an infielder for the 2013 season. He rarely pitched in HS, but was getting an opportunity to play 2-way for his summer team and was pumping his FB in the upper 80's to low 90's last month and received a scholarship from a PAC-12 school. You just never know when/if it is panic time!?
In regards to the supposed velocity issues, I agree with Vector...Your Son Does Not Need To Sit in the 90's to get an opportunity with a D-1 College. Of course it helps, that's a no brainer, but that's not all they look for. My son plays at a school that's considered to have a pretty good pitching staff in a relatively strong conference. I can tell you that the majority of the staff sits in the upper 80's and can run it up to 90-91 when needed. There are only a couple kids that sit in the 90's, and they rightfully receive the most attention with the professional scouts. If your son sits in the mid-80's and consistently gets hitters out, he'll find a home somewhere. It may not be at a D1, but he'll find a home...your son might have to communicate with several schools, and more importantly, get as much playing time in front of coaches (decision makers) as possible.
In regards to the supposed velocity issues, I agree with Vector...Your Son Does Not Need To Sit in the 90's to get an opportunity with a D-1 College. Of course it helps, that's a no brainer, but that's not all they look for. My son plays at a school that's considered to have a pretty good pitching staff in a relatively strong conference. I can tell you that the majority of the staff sits in the upper 80's and can run it up to 90-91 when needed. There are only a couple kids that sit in the 90's, and they rightfully receive the most attention with the professional scouts. If your son sits in the mid-80's and consistently gets hitters out, he'll find a home somewhere. It may not be at a D1, but he'll find a home...your son might have to communicate with several schools, and more importantly, get as much playing time in front of coaches (decision makers) as possible.
Great thread. Mary, thanks for the reminder re apps. My son is taking a course in high school where the focus is writing college essays and filling out apps. Should save me some nagging.
He has received a couple of emails which indicte that some coaches are really in a crunch - in both cases, coaches new to schools are trying to catch up.
The last two years my son has had high school teammates who found their baseball home after graduation.
Crazy process!
He has received a couple of emails which indicte that some coaches are really in a crunch - in both cases, coaches new to schools are trying to catch up.
The last two years my son has had high school teammates who found their baseball home after graduation.
Crazy process!
Trust me, there will be plenty of other opportunities to nag during his senior year.quote:twotex said...Should save me some nagging.
quote:Originally posted by BaseballmomandCEP:
Cali that was a great posting.
To add to that, I think it is really important for current seniors to realize they may be late signers (or never sign), walk ons, maybe not play, maybe not get seen until next summer, etc etc. So unless you are commiting now / signing early, it is time to get college application process in HIGH gear. Those players need to do their college applications like everyone else, at the regular time.
I am sorry if this is obvious info, but for first time college bound famiies, it might not be that obvious.
Fill out the apps. Write the essays. Take and send the SAT /ACT scores. Talk to guidance. Submit the transcripts and letters of rec,etc.
Don't hold off on doing this assuming you will get recruited and that you only need to fill out one app!
That is so important, so that all of our sons have a few college options in place next spring if the recruiting process does not go as planned.
Early action deadlines are November 1 - 15.
Regular decision for slective colleges is usually a January 1 deadine.
Less selective schools and open enrollment programs of course will take applications much later.
Excellent advice. 2013 has applied to two schools already that offered free applications (both would only be if he plays baseball). Beginning September 1 most other applications open, so he will begin those online. Our approach is to apply to any that have shown interest as a player, and also two schools where he knows he will not play, but would love to be a student. If something should end up not working out to play ball, he doesn't want to find himself without a spot at a favorite college.
My 2013 is not in a panic yet. We still have several months to go here. A few players on his team last yesr did not know where there were going until April or May. A couple of JUCO's and a D1.
He is starting to get phones calls from NAIA and D3 as well as JUCO's and some good emails from lower D1.
His conditioning program, consist of weights, long toss and swimmimg, and it seems to be paying off with good velocity gains.
He will continue to showcase through the fall/winter and see what happens.
I have learned that the school you might want to attend may really like you but does not have a spot for you. His plan is to pick a school where he can get quality innings by his soph season. And a school that wants him on their team, no matter the level.
He is starting to get phones calls from NAIA and D3 as well as JUCO's and some good emails from lower D1.
His conditioning program, consist of weights, long toss and swimmimg, and it seems to be paying off with good velocity gains.
He will continue to showcase through the fall/winter and see what happens.
I have learned that the school you might want to attend may really like you but does not have a spot for you. His plan is to pick a school where he can get quality innings by his soph season. And a school that wants him on their team, no matter the level.
Thanx to everyone who has contributed to this thread. You have been a great resource and calming force. My son received an email from an ACC coach just yesterday telling him this.... "In our opinion, you are a definite Division 1 player but not quite the level of the ACC. We definitely like what we see and are keeping tabs on you to see if you make the jump." Now for me this was greatly appreciated when my son shared it with me and he was grateful as well because he got feedback that he can use. This made him want to work even harder because he didn't think his skill set would land him in the ACC level of D-1. He was more realistically targeting mid-majors, now he knows where he stands and that it's just a matter of time before he plays in front of the coach that falls in love with him. Who knows it may even be the respected ACC coach.Thanx again to everyone , keep the comments coming
quote:Originally posted by bsbl247:
I realize that the recruiting road is stressful, but we're only in August and the early signing period is still well over two months away for the 2013's. As calisportsfan said, a small percentage of players sign in the early signing period, many more student athletes sign afterwards.
Indeed. This is probably an example of when social media adds to the consternation. Five or ten years ago we wouldn't immediately hear about every commitment. This in-your-face news can make it seem like EVERYONE has committed, when in fact they have not.
Bumping this as it is a recurring theme these days.
For 2013s, how's it going? Where are folks in the process?
For 2013s, how's it going? Where are folks in the process?
quote:Originally posted by twotex:
Bumping this as it is a recurring theme these days.
For 2013s, how's it going? Where are folks in the process?
Of the top 200 in our state 83 are committed. Unfortunately, our 2013 is not among them. DIs stopped calling and returning calls or emails. A few polite coaches did explain that he's not what they're looking for this year. Yet the form-letter camp invitations keep rolling in.
Some DIII coaches we've visited have said he'd have a roster spot and he is planning overnights. His grades and test scores are strong, which helps a little with the sticker price. Although he's always wanted a very large school environment (20,000+), he is surprised at how much he is liking the smaller schools (~3,000) that still "feel like a college campus" as he puts it.
Coaches tell him to be patient, that it only seems like everyone else is already committed. But, he is also wise enough to realize that even if a larger (DI) program offer to were come, it probably wouldn't be because they consider him an impact player. He wants to be wanted - and he wants to play.
2013 RHP has continued to put in the work. Played with his summer team in several Impact and Dynamic tournaments and has gotten increased interest from NAIA and DIII.Several phone calls and personalized camp invites. Velocity has stayed pretty much the same but after a low D1 pitching coach saw him pitch a bullpen last weekend, he discussed the fact that he really wants to see him pitch in a game situation and see how he gets batters out. Which leads me to believe because of his project-ability and his mechanics he saw something he thinks is coachable. He tweeked on little thing in his CB grip and he was repeatedly throwing a hard biting CB, pitching coach was enjoying that. He has realized that a very small percentage will sign early and he is more concerned with the right fit. He also has been accepted as a student at a D1 school which was exciting for him.
Just FYI, the majority (if not all) of the guys out of our high school over the last two years, got their offers to D2's, D3's, juco's half way to the end of the senior season. A couple even after.
quote:Originally posted by Ready2HangItUp:
Here's an interesting update. Today we started digging through the websites of some of these programs that have "gone quiet."
In three cases they have announced coaching changes/resignations in the past two weeks. That kind of situation could very easily explain why things seem to have stalled.
Obviously, it's very easy to keep emailing the same people who are in your Contacts. 2013 sent new emails following up today.
Indeed, a promising west coast D1 was putting together a athletic and academic offer, so we were patiently waiting.
As it turns out I find that the pitching coach/recruiting coordinator left to take another job across the country. Had I not followed up myself, I never would have heard what happened and assumed they lost interest. So this is a good example for others to consider if the phone stops ringing after real interest.
It has been an interesting summer for our 2013 MIF. Some positive interest from mid-D1, then high interest from a large ACC D1, then recent strong interest from a Big East D1 that was ready to offer but didn't pass academics, even with a 1900 SAT, 29 ACT and 3.8. (It was a high academic school whose exceptions are reserved for Basketball). All along received some decent DII interest which is now picking up steam.
We've re-engaged with some mid-D1's and there is interest for those in need, but we are much more pointed in our questions. I say "we" but my 2013 is doing all the calling, with guidance. We are looking at all options now though and DII is a very real option. He is going to Jupiter and is hoping a good performance there will push some interest over the edge, so to speak.
We've re-engaged with some mid-D1's and there is interest for those in need, but we are much more pointed in our questions. I say "we" but my 2013 is doing all the calling, with guidance. We are looking at all options now though and DII is a very real option. He is going to Jupiter and is hoping a good performance there will push some interest over the edge, so to speak.
quote:Originally posted by CBallhitball:
a Big East D1 that was ready to offer but didn't pass academics, even with a 1900 SAT, 29 ACT and 3.8. (It was a high academic school whose exceptions are reserved for Basketball).
My guess would be Georgetown as their standards/deadlines are written in stone for everyone except basketball players. Even then you had better be Patrick Ewing to get in.
Just a few observations from a very limited perspective.... (i say this because one size does not fit all)
I know 2 high school kids who signed in Nov of their senior year. One kid got one at bat the entire freshman season. The other got 5 at bats, all as the dh. One left, the other tried to leave. No one would pick him up. My son didn't sign until July. Did great - as freshman pitcher threw about 55 innings. Another kid got picked up at his senior night game. The college coach berated the high school coach in front of the parents, saying he didn't promote the kid correctly and that he was definitely D1 material. (to be fair, the kid played 4 years varsity, good showcase team, but no one was interested even though a lot of recruits and pro scouts saw him play. Biggest paradox I saw in all the high school kids I saw play) Kid's a freshman, and other than being homesick, seems to be doing well.
Some kids seem to ride a tide of coaching conversations that begin with dads, the high school coach, and continue with the showcase coach. College coaches seem to focus on certain showcase teams (esp in NC). IMO, these kids do start out on fire as freshman because they are already mature! By the time they are seniors everyone else has caught up and they are in the middle of the pack, but because they came out strong, the name recognition propels them forward. There are always kids that stand out and deserve the accolades - they are the ones major D1s look at because the mlb is following them (and they start early), rarely do walk ons and the late pickups get any play time. My son was the exception, but after the season ended he decided (with our blessing) not to return. He is playing at a juco, and it is working out wonderfully. He's not the only D1 player there either. With the no transfer rule, jucos will continue to see rosters full of former di players.
I could go on - but recruiting is a meat market - look at football combines it's even worse! Go where the interest is - make the most of every opportunity. and of course I must add: It's not where you start, it's where you finish. :-)
I know 2 high school kids who signed in Nov of their senior year. One kid got one at bat the entire freshman season. The other got 5 at bats, all as the dh. One left, the other tried to leave. No one would pick him up. My son didn't sign until July. Did great - as freshman pitcher threw about 55 innings. Another kid got picked up at his senior night game. The college coach berated the high school coach in front of the parents, saying he didn't promote the kid correctly and that he was definitely D1 material. (to be fair, the kid played 4 years varsity, good showcase team, but no one was interested even though a lot of recruits and pro scouts saw him play. Biggest paradox I saw in all the high school kids I saw play) Kid's a freshman, and other than being homesick, seems to be doing well.
Some kids seem to ride a tide of coaching conversations that begin with dads, the high school coach, and continue with the showcase coach. College coaches seem to focus on certain showcase teams (esp in NC). IMO, these kids do start out on fire as freshman because they are already mature! By the time they are seniors everyone else has caught up and they are in the middle of the pack, but because they came out strong, the name recognition propels them forward. There are always kids that stand out and deserve the accolades - they are the ones major D1s look at because the mlb is following them (and they start early), rarely do walk ons and the late pickups get any play time. My son was the exception, but after the season ended he decided (with our blessing) not to return. He is playing at a juco, and it is working out wonderfully. He's not the only D1 player there either. With the no transfer rule, jucos will continue to see rosters full of former di players.
I could go on - but recruiting is a meat market - look at football combines it's even worse! Go where the interest is - make the most of every opportunity. and of course I must add: It's not where you start, it's where you finish. :-)
quote:Originally posted by 55mom:
Just a few observations from a very limited perspective.... (i say this because one size does not fit all)
I know 2 high school kids who signed in Nov of their senior year. One kid got one at bat the entire freshman season. The other got 5 at bats, all as the dh. One left, the other tried to leave. No one would pick him up. My son didn't sign until July. Did great - as freshman pitcher threw about 55 innings. Another kid got picked up at his senior night game. The college coach berated the high school coach in front of the parents, saying he didn't promote the kid correctly and that he was definitely D1 material. (to be fair, the kid played 4 years varsity, good showcase team, but no one was interested even though a lot of recruits and pro scouts saw him play. Biggest paradox I saw in all the high school kids I saw play) Kid's a freshman, and other than being homesick, seems to be doing well.
Some kids seem to ride a tide of coaching conversations that begin with dads, the high school coach, and continue with the showcase coach. College coaches seem to focus on certain showcase teams (esp in NC). IMO, these kids do start out on fire as freshman because they are already mature! By the time they are seniors everyone else has caught up and they are in the middle of the pack, but because they came out strong, the name recognition propels them forward. There are always kids that stand out and deserve the accolades - they are the ones major D1s look at because the mlb is following them (and they start early), rarely do walk ons and the late pickups get any play time. My son was the exception, but after the season ended he decided (with our blessing) not to return. He is playing at a juco, and it is working out wonderfully. He's not the only D1 player there either. With the no transfer rule, jucos will continue to see rosters full of former di players.
I could go on - but recruiting is a meat market - look at football combines it's even worse! Go where the interest is - make the most of every opportunity. and of course I must add: It's not where you start, it's where you finish. :-)
Wow , nice post. People have called me negative for saying less than you did. Recruiting is a meat market? Bingo! It is not what the coaches tell you that matters most. It is what you ask them.Everyone should be very cautious. The more you get in writing the better. Good luck trying to get that!
quote:Originally posted by jaggerz:quote:Originally posted by 55mom:
Just a few observations from a very limited perspective.... (i say this because one size does not fit all)
I know 2 high school kids who signed in Nov of their senior year. One kid got one at bat the entire freshman season. The other got 5 at bats, all as the dh. One left, the other tried to leave. No one would pick him up. My son didn't sign until July. Did great - as freshman pitcher threw about 55 innings. Another kid got picked up at his senior night game. The college coach berated the high school coach in front of the parents, saying he didn't promote the kid correctly and that he was definitely D1 material. (to be fair, the kid played 4 years varsity, good showcase team, but no one was interested even though a lot of recruits and pro scouts saw him play. Biggest paradox I saw in all the high school kids I saw play) Kid's a freshman, and other than being homesick, seems to be doing well.
Some kids seem to ride a tide of coaching conversations that begin with dads, the high school coach, and continue with the showcase coach. College coaches seem to focus on certain showcase teams (esp in NC). IMO, these kids do start out on fire as freshman because they are already mature! By the time they are seniors everyone else has caught up and they are in the middle of the pack, but because they came out strong, the name recognition propels them forward. There are always kids that stand out and deserve the accolades - they are the ones major D1s look at because the mlb is following them (and they start early), rarely do walk ons and the late pickups get any play time. My son was the exception, but after the season ended he decided (with our blessing) not to return. He is playing at a juco, and it is working out wonderfully. He's not the only D1 player there either. With the no transfer rule, jucos will continue to see rosters full of former di players.
I could go on - but recruiting is a meat market - look at football combines it's even worse! Go where the interest is - make the most of every opportunity. and of course I must add: It's not where you start, it's where you finish. :-)
Wow , nice post. People have called me negative for saying less than you did. Recruiting is a meat market? Bingo! It is not what the coaches tell you that matters most. It is what you ask them.Everyone should be very cautious. The more you get in writing the better. Good luck trying to get that!
jaggerz,
Coaches are actually real people and probably are made up and reflect the general population. Last September, our son had the distinct pleasure and fun of being interviewed by JH and ClevelandDad on the HSBBWeb Radio. He discussed his college coach and the recruiting process, along with the process when our son was being recruited out of Summer wood bat leagues by other programs.
Some coaches are meticulously honest and work harder than anyone can imagine to do everything they commit to a recruit and player in their program.
Some don't. Some get mixed up in what is said as contrasted with the "interpretation" of what is heard.
Trying to paint one picture, as your posts seem to convey, of college coaches all wearing black and masks does no one any good..and it is just not accurate.
quote:Originally posted by 2013 Parent:quote:Originally posted by twotex:
Bumping this as it is a recurring theme these days.
For 2013s, how's it going? Where are folks in the process?
Of the top 200 in our state 83 are committed. Unfortunately, our 2013 is not among them. DIs stopped calling and returning calls or emails. A few polite coaches did explain that he's not what they're looking for this year. Yet the form-letter camp invitations keep rolling in.
Some DIII coaches we've visited have said he'd have a roster spot and he is planning overnights. His grades and test scores are strong, which helps a little with the sticker price. Although he's always wanted a very large school environment (20,000+), he is surprised at how much he is liking the smaller schools (~3,000) that still "feel like a college campus" as he puts it.
Coaches tell him to be patient, that it only seems like everyone else is already committed. But, he is also wise enough to realize that even if a larger (DI) program offer to were come, it probably wouldn't be because they consider him an impact player. He wants to be wanted - and he wants to play.
My son was recruited to very large programs, 20-40k+ includes commuters.
These type of programs have lecture classes in huge auditoriums that hold hundreds and hundreds of students at one time.
In the end, he chose the school with less student population and smaller classes, some as little as 20-30, 50 max. Because of that, there was more attention paid in class than most likely he would have in a huge lecture hall. He definetly said that with baseball and all the other things he needed to take care of, he is glad he made that decision, carrying over a 3.0 each semester.
Something to think about and strongly consider, you can't play if you can't perform in the class.
2013 LHP currently pitching mid 80s, a young senior (turned 17 late summer), still growing and increasing velocity. Reading conflicting posts here - some mention offers as late as spring senior year but others say too late for D1s because "rosters are full". Just trying to understand what is realistic.
Rosters are NEVER full for LHP's!
I have seen RHP's picked up by highly ranked programs a week before school starts. Not that you really want that stress, but have a good back up plan and keep working the prospects. Just be aware that there are more qualified players in Ca and FL then there are slots, so broaden the outlook.
Good Luck, and keep the faith!
I have seen RHP's picked up by highly ranked programs a week before school starts. Not that you really want that stress, but have a good back up plan and keep working the prospects. Just be aware that there are more qualified players in Ca and FL then there are slots, so broaden the outlook.
Good Luck, and keep the faith!
quote:Originally posted by bbfl:
Reading conflicting posts here - some mention offers as late as spring senior year but others say too late for D1s because "rosters are full". Just trying to understand what is realistic.
I would not suggest you banking on it, but it certainly can and does happen. One of the most knowledgeable posters here informed me not to worry, that my son would get offers, and that opportunities would be there until close to the very end. While that was not our strategy, we kept a few offers in mind hoping to get something of a better fit. Sure enough we signed very late, about a month before school started.
You do have to be pro-active however, and not wait by the phone hoping to get a call. Keep in mind that coaches that are interested in your son can even be remiss in following up. One such coach was putting together a package for us(academic and athletic), but took a job at another school. He didn't tell us, and we found out after we waited too long for the HC to then start the process all over again. So unless he is a stud, make sure he or you follow up with leads, and continue to get him seen whether it be showcases or camps at perspective campuses.
So the question to BOF.
Rosters are never too full for LHP's...
But do the schools have last minute money?
Thanks
Rosters are never too full for LHP's...
But do the schools have last minute money?
Thanks
if thry want the player bad enough they will find the money
Leftydad....if they lose a player to the draft they didn't expect to sign then sometimes they do have money but mostly I suspects it's opportunity to earn money after proving yourself.
quote:Originally posted by calisportsfan:
Leftydad....if they lose a player to the draft they didn't expect to sign then sometimes they do have money but mostly I suspects it's opportunity to earn money after proving yourself.
Exactly
They might very well have some money if that occurs, but even then it might be limited. For instance a D2 that made a big bid for my son had some athletic money, but it was limited for the first year. The academic money he would have been eligible for was already gone for the year, along with any grant money they typically used for good students. The school was so expensive we could not afford it to consider it. Still if he had gone there, it was a way of being on the team and letting his performance earn him more money(both academic and athletic) the following year.
My 2013 got 4 offers. ! DI, 2 DII, and a JC. They never reached out to him. He texted and or emailed them late summer early fall. They called him in for an unofficial visit. The DI told him that they may or may not have money depending on who goes to the draft, transfers or quits. The others offered decent baseball money.
Point is he reached out to them. And from what I gathered the schools are looking for kids who want to play for them. The DI school I found out later jerks local kids around cause they feel that they are just dying to play DI and are hoping these recruits will accept a walk on.
My second point is to not get caught up on the DI label. Many of these schools don't have to work hard recruiting because the kids come to them.
Point is he reached out to them. And from what I gathered the schools are looking for kids who want to play for them. The DI school I found out later jerks local kids around cause they feel that they are just dying to play DI and are hoping these recruits will accept a walk on.
My second point is to not get caught up on the DI label. Many of these schools don't have to work hard recruiting because the kids come to them.
Bumping this up since last response was more than 2 weeks ago and winter camps starting up.
quote:Originally posted by 2013leftydad:
Bumping this up since last response was more than 2 weeks ago and winter camps starting up.
Since I was the OP I'll jump in.
The "low-DI, high-DII" that all the independent sources told us did not materialize. The DIs that stopped calling in August never re-surfaced. 2013 reached out to dozens of coaches (all levels), was personally invited to some camps for a closer look at him, etc. They were happy to take our $100 and then never bother to answer an email or phone call after that.
DIIIs have been another story. 2013 has done some visits and overnights and has his decision narrowed down to two schools. They are very different in size as well as success/style of their program, so he is weighing his options carefully. We expect he'll commit within the next week or two to one of them.
Ready2HangItUp,
Congrats on the offers. This is a very good thread for any recruit as it takes them through the gamut of decisions and actions during the recruiting process. I'm so glad to see your son kept after it despite your humorous screen name. I've re-read through these posts, and there is some really good advice and guidance for anyone. Please let us know how it turns out with your son. Thanks, and good luck.
Congrats on the offers. This is a very good thread for any recruit as it takes them through the gamut of decisions and actions during the recruiting process. I'm so glad to see your son kept after it despite your humorous screen name. I've re-read through these posts, and there is some really good advice and guidance for anyone. Please let us know how it turns out with your son. Thanks, and good luck.