Holden:
You've certainly got a different perspective on this than I do and I truly respect that.
I'm sure that if I were here during the Bill Veeck era than I too may have quite different feelings. Everything that I know about Veeck would have made me a big admirer and supporter.
I really identify much more with the team on the field than the management. Ozzie, in my estimation, has really managed to roll the whole White Sox world (small and maligned as it is) into an exciting World Series contender.
My only real problem with the Cubs is the easy resignment of most of their fans to always 'wait for next year'. That and this absurd clinging to jinxes.
I actually admired Dusty quite alot for coming in and stating that there is nothing to these jinxes. The rest of Cubdom must get to this point also.
Cub fans should demand that they have a winner. If the White Sox should manage to win it all this year then I will be in a much better mood to support the Cubs should they be in the same position.
As good a feeling this is with the White Sox now I really wish that the same could be experienced by Cub fans soon...they were close recently and if it hadn't been for Moises Alou out there protesting too long the Cubs probably would have been in the same position that the White Sox are now.
I enjoy the 'back and forth' with you.
Gotwood,
In Madison, I am a repressed conservative, surrounded by a sea of bleeding hearts, a kick-dog for those who do not understand true democracy.....
and my mom still lives in town.
In Madison, I am a repressed conservative, surrounded by a sea of bleeding hearts, a kick-dog for those who do not understand true democracy.....
and my mom still lives in town.
Holden:
What are your thoughts on the possible sale of the Cubs by Tribune Inc.?
What are your thoughts on the possible sale of the Cubs by Tribune Inc.?
rz1:
I'll amend my last question to ask how many can you fit into your 'keyed'scratched, graffitti laden , and feces spattered HUMMER. If it happens to have sheepskin seat covers I should add blood spatters too just to keep the PETA folks from having a fit.
Long ago I read 'The Diary of Anne Frank'...how long before we are graced with the tome...'rz1..Recollections of a Sane Man in the Midst of the Mad!'
I wonder if soxnole has had any luck searching on-line for 'Detroit Style Halloween Celebrations...the Expert Approach' or '101 Halloween Ideas to Leave Your Neighbors Feeling Motown'.
I enjoy the banter.
Can't resist...GO WHITE SOX!!!
I'll amend my last question to ask how many can you fit into your 'keyed'scratched, graffitti laden , and feces spattered HUMMER. If it happens to have sheepskin seat covers I should add blood spatters too just to keep the PETA folks from having a fit.
Long ago I read 'The Diary of Anne Frank'...how long before we are graced with the tome...'rz1..Recollections of a Sane Man in the Midst of the Mad!'
I wonder if soxnole has had any luck searching on-line for 'Detroit Style Halloween Celebrations...the Expert Approach' or '101 Halloween Ideas to Leave Your Neighbors Feeling Motown'.
I enjoy the banter.
Can't resist...GO WHITE SOX!!!
Gotwood, this run by the sox may be the best thing that happens for cub fans, although it isn't going to make kerry wood's arm any healthier.
Soxnole, I prefer to think that I've shown great integrity. Remember, the very first year after I gave them up they made the playoffs and I didn't jump back on the bandwagon.
Soxnole, I prefer to think that I've shown great integrity. Remember, the very first year after I gave them up they made the playoffs and I didn't jump back on the bandwagon.
Orlando:
After reading pia_ump's post maybe we should assume that Ron's middle name is Mea. That was a good one!
After reading pia_ump's post maybe we should assume that Ron's middle name is Mea. That was a good one!
Holden:
I agree with your assessment on the Sox's run being helpful to the Cubs. I think the Cub's near miss helped the Sox.
I agree with your assessment on the Sox's run being helpful to the Cubs. I think the Cub's near miss helped the Sox.
I think ken williams helped a lot more than the cubs did!
Holden:
One of my sons played on the same travel team with one of Kenny's sons and I had a few brief opportunities to talk with Kenny and watch his style with the kids. He impressed me with his knowledge and high standards...it really was easy to pick up these qualities in him even from such brief encounters.
My wife and I had a chance to get to know Kenny's father even more and he is an interesting gentleman to say the least. I am not at all surprised by Kenny's success having met his father.
Not everyone was a Kenny fan or even an Ozzie fan but it's hard to argue about the results that they have acheived so far and hopefully beyond. Reinsdorf has to be credited with bringing these successful guys into the fold.
One of my sons played on the same travel team with one of Kenny's sons and I had a few brief opportunities to talk with Kenny and watch his style with the kids. He impressed me with his knowledge and high standards...it really was easy to pick up these qualities in him even from such brief encounters.
My wife and I had a chance to get to know Kenny's father even more and he is an interesting gentleman to say the least. I am not at all surprised by Kenny's success having met his father.
Not everyone was a Kenny fan or even an Ozzie fan but it's hard to argue about the results that they have acheived so far and hopefully beyond. Reinsdorf has to be credited with bringing these successful guys into the fold.
The umpires had nothing to do with the poor location of the pitch that Lidge threw that ended up defeating the Astros.
Get real, umpires make bad calls its part of baseball. A championship caliber team overcomes obstacles and adversity because they are "matured" and "experienced" enough to understand the nature of the game.
The Astros need to "bring-it" and get-in-the-face of the SOX, sort-of-speak. Play the game and win and stop belly-aching.
That's my advice to the Astros.
I'm still predicting Astros in 7.
Get real, umpires make bad calls its part of baseball. A championship caliber team overcomes obstacles and adversity because they are "matured" and "experienced" enough to understand the nature of the game.
The Astros need to "bring-it" and get-in-the-face of the SOX, sort-of-speak. Play the game and win and stop belly-aching.
That's my advice to the Astros.
I'm still predicting Astros in 7.
Sluggo:
Since they closed the topic where you originally posted I would like to welcome you aboard the HSBBW.
GO WHITE SOX!!!
Since they closed the topic where you originally posted I would like to welcome you aboard the HSBBW.
GO WHITE SOX!!!
Holden, I learned not to care about what the professional team owners do being a Chicago Bears fan after they fired “Da Coach”! 
I will admit that Reinsdorf and Einhorn pissed me off over the years; firing Harry Carary, yanking the games off of WGN-TV & put them on pay-TV, and Reinsdorf taking leading role in forcing the 1994 player’s strike that ended the season in early August.
It’s just “bidness”. No sweat! However, I never even entertained the thought of turning my Silver & Black in for Cubby Blue. Changing from Falstaff (I’m dating myself) & kosher dogs to sushi and margaritas must have been a gastric nightmare? I just don’t get it????? 
BTW did you know that the Cubs at one time were called the Chicago White Stockings…?
Ramrod, agree with what you said except the Astros in 7….
Keeping with the spirit of the ump discussion….. “I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity.” ~ Bill Veeck
GO CHIGAGO WHITE SOX!!!!
I will admit that Reinsdorf and Einhorn pissed me off over the years; firing Harry Carary, yanking the games off of WGN-TV & put them on pay-TV, and Reinsdorf taking leading role in forcing the 1994 player’s strike that ended the season in early August.
It’s just “bidness”. No sweat! However, I never even entertained the thought of turning my Silver & Black in for Cubby Blue. Changing from Falstaff (I’m dating myself) & kosher dogs to sushi and margaritas must have been a gastric nightmare? I just don’t get it????? BTW did you know that the Cubs at one time were called the Chicago White Stockings…?
Ramrod, agree with what you said except the Astros in 7….
Keeping with the spirit of the ump discussion….. “I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity.” ~ Bill Veeck
GO CHIGAGO WHITE SOX!!!!
Smokey:
Nice post.
The moves that ownership made over the recent past that were not popular with the fans were met with empty seats...and that's the way it should be!
White Sox ownership has not been perfect but as a fan you can't let them totally dampen your enthusiasm...or is it curb your enthusiasm?
Ownership has obviously made some right moves recently!
Sit back and enjoy. Fill the seats so to speak!
GO WHITE SOX!!!
Nice post.
The moves that ownership made over the recent past that were not popular with the fans were met with empty seats...and that's the way it should be!
White Sox ownership has not been perfect but as a fan you can't let them totally dampen your enthusiasm...or is it curb your enthusiasm?
Ownership has obviously made some right moves recently!
Sit back and enjoy. Fill the seats so to speak!
GO WHITE SOX!!!
Smokey......Falstaff??? The Thirst Slaker? Ralph Faucher's favorite beer? I'll take a fully kreusened (sp?) beer from God's Country any day of the week. Of course they ruined that one when G. Heilleman sold out.
I guess I'm just not good at overlooking the owners. It may be a reflection on just how fanatical I was about the sox at that time. It felt like treason of the highest order.
I guess I'm just not good at overlooking the owners. It may be a reflection on just how fanatical I was about the sox at that time. It felt like treason of the highest order.
Welcome Sluggo, how is Annie?
Being someone that values company's for a living - here is my take on the buyout value of the Chicago Cubs:
$124.65 and three cases of Kielbasa.
If the Cubs are represented by a good negotiator - they may be able to squeeze some cheap beer out of the deal as well.
Jimmy Qualls - still stinks.
$124.65 and three cases of Kielbasa.
If the Cubs are represented by a good negotiator - they may be able to squeeze some cheap beer out of the deal as well.
Jimmy Qualls - still stinks.
gotwood - I heard some of the rumors about Tribune selling Cubs. From the baseball standpoint I hope they do. Not that they haven't spent $, they've spent lots (foolishly) the last 6-7 years but it's time for a change.
From a shareholder perspective, please don't sell. Cubs are Tribune's cash cow and only asset that continually appreciates. Sears sold its wildly profitable credit card unit and is left with underperforming stores. I know, that talk belongs on msnbc.com.
From a shareholder perspective, please don't sell. Cubs are Tribune's cash cow and only asset that continually appreciates. Sears sold its wildly profitable credit card unit and is left with underperforming stores. I know, that talk belongs on msnbc.com.
denisr400:
You're right about this item being better suited for msnbc.com but as much as we may dislike it baseball, at least at the upper levels, is a business.
With that being said there is no reason to manage a business so that it is unsuccessful. In my book a park full of satisfied fans is the measure of good management.
The Tribune has managed to keep the Cub's fans happy without a winner so I won't knock them too hard. It's difficult to argue with a consistently full house.
Personally you're going to have to give a strong effort at winning to keep my interest. Reinsdorf, Williams, and Ozzie have delivered.
GO WHITE SOX!!!
GO WHITE SOX!!!
You're right about this item being better suited for msnbc.com but as much as we may dislike it baseball, at least at the upper levels, is a business.
With that being said there is no reason to manage a business so that it is unsuccessful. In my book a park full of satisfied fans is the measure of good management.
The Tribune has managed to keep the Cub's fans happy without a winner so I won't knock them too hard. It's difficult to argue with a consistently full house.
Personally you're going to have to give a strong effort at winning to keep my interest. Reinsdorf, Williams, and Ozzie have delivered.
GO WHITE SOX!!!
GO WHITE SOX!!!
Holden, Aahh the memories of listening to Caray & Faucher. It goes by way too fast….
If the opportunity ever presents itself, the “Dog Styles” are on me.
If the opportunity ever presents itself, the “Dog Styles” are on me.
Why do we have more than one umpire in baseball?
A game can be called by the one ump behind the plate. It is hard but it can be done and with these games maybe more accurately. You have all these umpires so you can get the calls right!!! When the guys on field are incapable of getting it right then you need instant replay. You can make up the time lost by not granting a timeout to the batter after every pitch.
A game can be called by the one ump behind the plate. It is hard but it can be done and with these games maybe more accurately. You have all these umpires so you can get the calls right!!! When the guys on field are incapable of getting it right then you need instant replay. You can make up the time lost by not granting a timeout to the batter after every pitch.