Who is Number 1 for athletes arrested?

Just the past year or so has seen a basketball athlete arrested for drug use, a football player arraigned for assault, and another seriously injured after being shot at a party. I have not read any negative stories about local D1 or high school baseball players.

It occurs to me that the nature of the game of baseball is delayed reward, a quality opposite that of football and basketball. With basketball and football, at least here in the Pacific Northwest, the crowds are large. The pre-game and post-game tailgating rowdy and exciting, with cheerleaders, faux explosions of smoke and screaming P.A. announcers. It's fun stuff, but the athletes themselves become almost super-heroes idolized by their fans and, I'm sure, put into situations which can lead them to personal trouble.

Baseball on the other hand is a methodical game of suspense, and of patience, so these athletes by necessity are required to have personal attributes that cause them to deny themselves immediate reward. These kids are likely not seeking the thrill of the arena but the thrill of the grass.

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Originally posted by Bum:
With basketball and football, at least here in the Pacific Northwest, the crowds are large. The pre-game and post-game tailgating rowdy and exciting, with cheerleaders, faux explosions of smoke and screaming P.A. announcers. It's fun stuff, but the athletes themselves become almost super-heroes idolized by their fans and, I'm sure, put into situations which can lead them to personal trouble.

You crazed Northwesterners!! You'd never find anything like this in, say, Texas.

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I'm thinking if this stuff is going on in Iowa, it's going on everywhere.

If Slipknot can come out of Iowa, anything can happen there!

What's going on here? Is this the HS baseball forum or the Jerry Springer forum? Let's keep this forum focused on what it is intended for!!

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You'd never find anything like this in, say, Texas.

Shoot, in Texas you find all that in High School football.

I think this is an interesting topic. Steve Howe immediately comes to mind.

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A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe's career was plagued by alcohol and cocaine abuse; he first checked himself into a substance abuse clinic in 1983, but a relapse resulted in him being suspended for the entire 1984 season. Over the course of his 17-year career, Howe would be suspended seven times.

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Originally posted by Hopperhop:
What's going on here?

It's called discussion. This one happens to be about violence by athletes in college, something to which no degrees of seperation need apply to tie it to the stated purpose of this site.

Thanks for chiming in though.

PG Staff,
Interesting. I think a lot has to do with the media and what and how they choose to report. We have had a few Michael Vicks around our area that raised and destroyed pit bulls. Since they didn't play football no one even knows their name --- or cares what their name is --- just a small article on page two. Same goes with politicians. Since some have become the target of the media they too get a lot of intense press. Heaven forbid if one of their daughters gets pregnant out of wedlock (especially republicans). I know of a lot of unwed pregnancies around here but no media coverage. DUI happens often and too frequently but the way the press reports it you would think athletes are the only ones that drink. The crime capital of the USA, Chicago alone had 34,734 crimes committed in the month of November alone. Oct 26 - Nov 25. Crime in Chicago
Since I don't recall any specific crime in that area there probable weren't any athletes amongst them ---- and being from Chicago may be the reason Hopperhop doesn't want to talk about it.
Fungo

Down here in Tejas you have to read the crime log in the local paper of the teams set to play on Friday night so you will know who is out on bail before you place your bet.

You can get the rooster and dog report at half time.

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Not removed from high school ball at all...It is out there, pretty easy to find if you look...

...most of us have seen/heard of HS athletes with adjusted grades, phantom attendance, hushed brushes with the law and school authority...Sadly we are a culture where celebrity and talent often skirts responsibility...

Specifically...

Take a young man with talent...often from a broken home...Now, before he develops any values...Treat him better than the pack because of that talent..take away any responsibility for his actions both on the field, off the field, on the road, in the classroom...make his celebrity, his talent and his "possee" his "family"...give him MTV culture as his model for life...put him in a larger culture that has has come to value celebrity over character...celebrate/splash him all over the media...make him a superstar...then reward him with gifts as long as he produces...all before he is 18...and develops any life values...

Why we are surprised/shocked?



BTW...agree with baseball assessment, delayed gratification makes some difference...and keeps some young talent out of the game.
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That's a good link Fungo...we do like our crime here in Chicago.

A few ups and downs as shown by the chart, but at least we don't have those really troublesome spikes in crimes like they do in the City by the Bay!

Not including F-Ball, S****, B-Ball, nor college
yet as for just Baseball...

The list get's pretty long in a hurry.

Denny McClain would probably make the top five.
Pete Rose is in that mix.
Unfortanately, Joe Jackson too.

Derek Bell for drugs.

Chuck Finley and wife Tawny Kitaen for spousal abuse and battery

Jim Leyritz for alleged manslaughter and suspicion of DUI

Jeez, Ty Cobb was arrested for fighting (in 1914).


Frank Francisco for felony battery

Scott Erickson for domestic violence

Julio Mateo arrested on suspicion of forgery

Mickey and Willie when suspended by MLB were close, until they disassociated themselves and were reprieved.

Koby Clemens charged with disorderly conduct.

A Korean professional, Mr. A, arrested for seduction

Jose Offerman arrested two counts of second-degree assault felony.

Gotwood...if you are going to advertise for us, could you at least use our current logo? That one's way out dated.

OJ

I have deleted my previous post. If PG slightly misinterpreteed a little of what I was saying there will be people on this board who completely misinterpret it and request my banishment from the board.

PG I would appreciate it if you would delete my quote before someone requests my banning. I will answer your question in a PM.

Sorry Ted, I've deleted my post also. I'm pretty sure I understood what you were saying, but it just didn't come out quite right. It happens to me at times too.

For sure I don't want anyone banished from the site.

Refined response (and politically correct too):

Is there more crime or is there more media competing for "the story"? How many cable news shows are there? And recently there's been the addition of news media competition on the internet. Everything that can be twisted into a story will be.

At one point cable news obsoleted the network evening news. Now the internet is turning cable news into old news. The competition is fierce.

Note: PG, thank you for your cooperation.

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Originally posted by fsmjunior:
OJ

From an earlier show repeated last night, David Letterman reported that Miami had its first month without a murder in 42 years. The solution was to lock up OJ.

I find that far and away the largest group of arrested athletes come from the the group known as idiots or morons.






All I can say to privileged athletes who get arrested is:

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:

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You'd never find anything like this in, say, Texas.

Shoot, in Texas you find all that in High School football.

It was tongue-in-cheek, TX-Husker......my son goes to school there. TX football madness is well-documented nationally.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:

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You'd never find anything like this in, say, Texas.

Shoot, in Texas you find all that in High School football.

And that's just the cheerleader's mothers.

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And that's just the cheerleader's mothers

LOL
...and dont you guys forget it!
( just jokin',...juuuuust jokin'! )

It ain't always who you think of first.

UVA has had a terrible run of athletes in trouble with the law. Going back 10-12 years it was basketball players. Now it seems we get a couple of football guys every year.

But I don't know that anyone thinks of UVA as a harborer of criminals. Maybe some schools just need better PR?

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Maybe some schools just need better PR?

Are you saying a team people called the Crimi'Noles needs better PR?

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Originally posted by tedballgame:

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Maybe some schools just need better PR?

Are you saying a team people call the Crimi'Noles needs better PR?

Nothing like earning a rap sheet from Free Shoes University.

I know, Krakaota. But I was serious. And the comment about Texas (HS, not UT) cheerleaders is spot on....there's a reason they say "don't mess with texas"....they do mean football and cheerleaders.

who is Number 1" for athletes arrested.


It is a toss up between Michael Vick and Pac Man Jones.

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who is Number 1" for athletes arrested.

I've heard tell that the ToraBora Giants were pretty much all arrested as we swept through eastern Afghanistan. They've reformed at Guantanamo, but their field is only large enough for a batter's box and about 30 feet of first-base line.

Nonetheless, there is also a rumor that the Pirates are in contract talks with two of their pitchers.

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
It ain't always who you think of first.

UVA has had a terrible run of athletes in trouble with the law. Going back 10-12 years it was basketball players. Now it seems we get a couple of football guys every year.

But I don't know that anyone thinks of UVA as a harborer of criminals. Maybe some schools just need better PR?

Hmmm, I don't remember this. UVA was probably eclipsed by Va Tech. They featured Marcus Vick and his notorious big brother Michael.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Gotwood...if you are going to advertise for us, could you at least use our current logo? That one's way out dated.

Sorry Tx. I'll update it...

woody, i don't know if I ever mentioned it before, but........

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
He drink whiskey, Poncho drink the wine
He drink whiskey, Poncho drink the wine

We met down on the fort of Rio Grande
We met down on the fort of Rio Grande
Eat the salted peanuts out of can
Eat the salted peanuts out the can

The outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
The outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
Cisco came in blastin', drinkin' port
Cisco came in blastin', drinkin' port

They rode the sunset, horse was made of steel
They rode the sunset, horse was made of steel
Chased the gringo last night through a field
Chased the gringo last night through a field

The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine

Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine

At least you didn't go down the Sysco Foods path, Woody.

OJ just sentenced to 15 years.

Finally some good Karma.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
At least you didn't go down the Sysco Foods path, Woody.

I've been down that Sysco path before...this last time you can see I didn't manage to keep on the path too well!



I had to swerve to avoid hitting some guy driving a white Ford Bronco...he was going real slow!

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Originally posted by FrankF:
OJ just sentenced to 15 years.

Finally some good Karma.

One of the judges comments at the beginning of sentencing was that she wasn't sure at the beginning of the trial if OJ was arrogant or ignorant, but now she believes him to be both.

Then she handed down the sentence, which I think included some community service, to which OJ asked the judge if counseling Plaxico on prison ettiquette counted?

Just curious, does this somehow end up hurting the family of his former wife? Wasn't he paying them based on the civil trial they won?

Not sure if he ever started paying anything. My wife is the real OJ/Nicole groupie. I'll have to run it by her! Internet says he got 33yr.s though with parole a possibilty in 9.

pg

a little off topic,well way off topic.

our boy's from nh are playing football in cedar rapids tommorrow night. i hope we don't have any arrested.lol

20dad,

I think you are talking about Cedar Falls. We are in Cedar Rapids which is an hour away or so.

UNI who you guys are playing lost two of their top players recently due to a drug arrest.

Lucky for everyone, the game is played in a dome. Should be a great game. It's real cold here right now and with snow cover.