Voodoo. I enjoy your participation no matter what I might think about you. Its hard to give your posts any credibility without knowing who you are. If we knew who you are it might be even harder to give you any credibility. Einstien was a genius and a fool. 4 of the 5 you got right. You have been around but not enough. You failed to mention one of the most important. Now I have to think again about just how valid you are.
I may not agree with everything Voodoo/Michael/Scott/Dick (or whatever his next alias is) has to say. BUT he has made some very important points in this post that some people refuse to consider. Especially his assessments of Boras and Pudge.
If Rodriguez can get 4yrs, let alone $10 mill a year, in these times, then Detroit is surely out to lunch. They could have him for half that. Not that it's going to help them much.
And I for one would not jump to sign with an agent with no arbitration experience - I would hope that most people would expect to sign with one agent and be with him for their entire career. THere are many considerations to evaluate when assessing an agent. Experience is surely one of them. Every player drafted expects to get to the majors one day - do you want to be the first player that agent attempts to win an arbitration case with? And multi-year deals are at least as important.
"Give 'im the stinky cheese"
If Rodriguez can get 4yrs, let alone $10 mill a year, in these times, then Detroit is surely out to lunch. They could have him for half that. Not that it's going to help them much.
And I for one would not jump to sign with an agent with no arbitration experience - I would hope that most people would expect to sign with one agent and be with him for their entire career. THere are many considerations to evaluate when assessing an agent. Experience is surely one of them. Every player drafted expects to get to the majors one day - do you want to be the first player that agent attempts to win an arbitration case with? And multi-year deals are at least as important.
"Give 'im the stinky cheese"
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DocBall:
"4 of the 5 you got right. You have been around but not enough. You failed to mention one of the most important. Now I have to think again about just how valid you are."
Doc, I hate to break it to you, but the 6 count 'em 6 criteria are right from the "Basic Agreement Between The 30 Major League Clubs And Major League Baseball Players Association". You can find them there on pages 17 & 18. You might want to check your facts with Sneezy, Grumpy & Bashful.
I'll post who I am as soon as I see how it is relevant to the subject & everyone else who posts here agrees to identify themselves as well.
"4 of the 5 you got right. You have been around but not enough. You failed to mention one of the most important. Now I have to think again about just how valid you are."
Doc, I hate to break it to you, but the 6 count 'em 6 criteria are right from the "Basic Agreement Between The 30 Major League Clubs And Major League Baseball Players Association". You can find them there on pages 17 & 18. You might want to check your facts with Sneezy, Grumpy & Bashful.
I'll post who I am as soon as I see how it is relevant to the subject & everyone else who posts here agrees to identify themselves as well.
Voodoo,
I am not interested in your identity.
Would you just list three agencies that represent baseball players that have web sites?
I don't care if you list yourself or not.
I just like to learn more about your industry.
Please just point me in the right direction.
I am not interested in your identity.
Would you just list three agencies that represent baseball players that have web sites?
I don't care if you list yourself or not.
I just like to learn more about your industry.
Please just point me in the right direction.
PCX,
Thank you. That's all I wanted.
Thank you. That's all I wanted.
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Originally posted by FormerObserver:
Voodoo,
I am not interested in your identity.
Would you just list three agencies that represent baseball players that have web sites?
I don't care if you list yourself or not.
I just like to learn more about your industry.
Please just point me in the right direction.
If you're truly interested contact the MLBPA @ 212-826-0808. Wouldn't recommend either of the groups that PCX mentioned unless you're interested in being a guppy in the Pacific Ocean.
Voodoochile, Wow, you don't think much of the other agents do you? What is your response to the bonus money that Boras has negotiated for the drafted players compared to his fellow agents? I think that many agents are jealous of Boras because he has such a top notch client list, and has embarrassed many of them at draft time by negotiating contracts that are much larger than most of the other guys.
I don't know what his 100 page effort did for A-Rod, but he negotiated a $250 million dollar deal for him and how about Brown, Maddux and the two best deals of all time for Chan Ho Park and Driefort. About a 100 mill for two guys that have done nothing since or very much before. Detroit may be lacking, but Boras is not, and in the tightening of the belt times that are going on right now, he may just prove his worth again.
I don't know what his 100 page effort did for A-Rod, but he negotiated a $250 million dollar deal for him and how about Brown, Maddux and the two best deals of all time for Chan Ho Park and Driefort. About a 100 mill for two guys that have done nothing since or very much before. Detroit may be lacking, but Boras is not, and in the tightening of the belt times that are going on right now, he may just prove his worth again.
I provided web sites not endorsements.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pops:
"Voodoochile, Wow, you don't think much of the other agents do you?"
There are a few I happen to think highly of. However your boy Boras isn't one of them.
"What is your response to the bonus money that Boras has negotiated for the drafted players compared to his fellow agents?"
He's gotten some good deals for some players, not so good deal for others. Don't forget the cost & I don't mean his commission. If your team despises your Agent what will they think of you for choosing him? Remember David Espinosa & Dane Sardinha? What about their deals?
"I think that many agents are jealous of Boras because he has such a top notch client list"
Not jealous of him at all. Enjoy being able to look myself in the mirror. Wouldn't trade places with him for Bill Gates' money. Not if I had to do what he's done to too many players.
"has embarrassed many of them at draft time by negotiating contracts that are much larger than most of the other guys."
He never embarassed any of my deals. As to the guys he has embarassed, it's almost always been at the cost of their relationship with their team. How many of his clients get scouting, coaching, broadcasting jobs with their former teams when they're done playing? Almost none because they won't forgive them for their Agents'conduct.
"I don't know what his 100 page effort did for A-Rod, but he negotiated a $250 million dollar deal for him"
That now hangs like a millstone around his neck. ARod would give $100 mill. to get out of the deal if he could.
" the two best deals of all time for Chan Ho Park and Driefort."
Can't disagree that those two are astonishing deals. Chan Hopeless & Dreifort should be naming all their kids after him. I'd like to know who he has blackmail pictures of & what they were doing in the pictures to come up with those deals.
Still wouldn't touch the guy if you were holding the 20 foot pole& paying his commission.
"Voodoochile, Wow, you don't think much of the other agents do you?"
There are a few I happen to think highly of. However your boy Boras isn't one of them.
"What is your response to the bonus money that Boras has negotiated for the drafted players compared to his fellow agents?"
He's gotten some good deals for some players, not so good deal for others. Don't forget the cost & I don't mean his commission. If your team despises your Agent what will they think of you for choosing him? Remember David Espinosa & Dane Sardinha? What about their deals?
"I think that many agents are jealous of Boras because he has such a top notch client list"
Not jealous of him at all. Enjoy being able to look myself in the mirror. Wouldn't trade places with him for Bill Gates' money. Not if I had to do what he's done to too many players.
"has embarrassed many of them at draft time by negotiating contracts that are much larger than most of the other guys."
He never embarassed any of my deals. As to the guys he has embarassed, it's almost always been at the cost of their relationship with their team. How many of his clients get scouting, coaching, broadcasting jobs with their former teams when they're done playing? Almost none because they won't forgive them for their Agents'conduct.
"I don't know what his 100 page effort did for A-Rod, but he negotiated a $250 million dollar deal for him"
That now hangs like a millstone around his neck. ARod would give $100 mill. to get out of the deal if he could.
" the two best deals of all time for Chan Ho Park and Driefort."
Can't disagree that those two are astonishing deals. Chan Hopeless & Dreifort should be naming all their kids after him. I'd like to know who he has blackmail pictures of & what they were doing in the pictures to come up with those deals.
Still wouldn't touch the guy if you were holding the 20 foot pole& paying his commission.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bee:
today's Detroit Free Press -
"The Associated Press, quoting a baseball source, reported that Rodriguez has been offered a $40-million, four-year contract by the Tigers."
"Dombrowski would neither confirm nor deny it, saying he preferred not to comment."
For another view of Pudge/Maddux/Boras check out this story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=1712521
today's Detroit Free Press -
"The Associated Press, quoting a baseball source, reported that Rodriguez has been offered a $40-million, four-year contract by the Tigers."
"Dombrowski would neither confirm nor deny it, saying he preferred not to comment."
For another view of Pudge/Maddux/Boras check out this story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=1712521
Interesting article re:Boras & the Agent biz:
http://www.freep.com/sports/tigers/rosey21_20040121.htm
http://www.freep.com/sports/tigers/rosey21_20040121.htm
BRYAN GREIPER TAKES CARE OF HIS CLIENTS AND I FEEL THAT MAKES HIM ONE OF THE BEST AGENTS.
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Originally posted by YoBo:
BRYAN GREIPER TAKES CARE OF HIS CLIENTS AND I FEEL THAT MAKES HIM ONE OF THE BEST AGENTS.
Haven't heard his name before. Who are his clients?
Former Observer....Very reputable.
http://business4.odc.net/athletesfirst_v255/home.asp
"If you can imagine it you can create it. If you can dream it, you can become it". William Arthur Ward
"Baseball is Life"
http://business4.odc.net/athletesfirst_v255/home.asp
"If you can imagine it you can create it. If you can dream it, you can become it". William Arthur Ward
"Baseball is Life"
Thanks Starzz.
I haven't had time to look at all of them yet.
Did not realize that agents operate in multiple sports. I thought they usually were specialists in one sport. Maybe so within the firms.
Intrigued by the impact of marketing and broadcasting issues.
More to learn here than just hiring an agent.
More to it than just contract negotiaton. Might have had a tendency to do it myself. Notice that bbscout has advisor/agent. Broader area than my skill set.
It really ain't time yet, so I need to keep readin.............
I haven't had time to look at all of them yet.
Did not realize that agents operate in multiple sports. I thought they usually were specialists in one sport. Maybe so within the firms.
Intrigued by the impact of marketing and broadcasting issues.
More to learn here than just hiring an agent.
More to it than just contract negotiaton. Might have had a tendency to do it myself. Notice that bbscout has advisor/agent. Broader area than my skill set.
It really ain't time yet, so I need to keep readin.............
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Starzz:
Former Observer....Very reputable.
http://business4.odc.net/athletesfirst_v255/home.asp
Are you aware of the $44.6 million judgement against this firm from the lawsuit that also put them into bankruptcy? Testimony in the trial clearly showed legal & ethical transgressions on the part of the people at the top of this firm. You may want to check http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/ for details. Look before you leap.
Former Observer....Very reputable.
http://business4.odc.net/athletesfirst_v255/home.asp
Are you aware of the $44.6 million judgement against this firm from the lawsuit that also put them into bankruptcy? Testimony in the trial clearly showed legal & ethical transgressions on the part of the people at the top of this firm. You may want to check http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/ for details. Look before you leap.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FormerObserver:
"Did not realize that agents operate in multiple sports."
Many try to work in multiple sports. As is the case in many fields, it usually works better for the client if you specialize. Nobody can do everything & do it as well as people who specialize in their individual areas.
"Intrigued by the impact of marketing and broadcasting issues."
Don't get blinded by someone pitching their expetise in marketing & broadcasting. First of all the number of people with true experience in those fields is small & secondly, for 99% of players the "impact of marketing and broadcasting issues." will be minimal. VERY few players in Baseball make an amount equal to 10% of their salaries off the field. For example, LeBron James' $90 million Nike deal has NO parallel in Baseball. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY player in Baseball getting 1% of that amount.
"More to it than just contract negotiaton."
Yes, but that's the "meat & potatoes" issue. Without a contract, you're a fan on the outside looking in rather than a player with a chance at a future in MLB.
"Might have had a tendency to do it myself."
HUGE mistake. You don't have the experience necessary, you don't have the contacts & most of all you can't be objective about your own flesh & blood.
"Notice that bbscout has advisor/agent."
This is probably an accomodation of the hoops to jump through re: NCAA BS. Call them advisors for the NCAA, call them agents for MLB,doesn't matter it's all the same thing.
"It really ain't time yet, so I need to keep readin............."
Good idea. You never hear someone say they made a mistake because they had TOO MUCH information.
"Did not realize that agents operate in multiple sports."
Many try to work in multiple sports. As is the case in many fields, it usually works better for the client if you specialize. Nobody can do everything & do it as well as people who specialize in their individual areas.
"Intrigued by the impact of marketing and broadcasting issues."
Don't get blinded by someone pitching their expetise in marketing & broadcasting. First of all the number of people with true experience in those fields is small & secondly, for 99% of players the "impact of marketing and broadcasting issues." will be minimal. VERY few players in Baseball make an amount equal to 10% of their salaries off the field. For example, LeBron James' $90 million Nike deal has NO parallel in Baseball. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY player in Baseball getting 1% of that amount.
"More to it than just contract negotiaton."
Yes, but that's the "meat & potatoes" issue. Without a contract, you're a fan on the outside looking in rather than a player with a chance at a future in MLB.
"Might have had a tendency to do it myself."
HUGE mistake. You don't have the experience necessary, you don't have the contacts & most of all you can't be objective about your own flesh & blood.
"Notice that bbscout has advisor/agent."
This is probably an accomodation of the hoops to jump through re: NCAA BS. Call them advisors for the NCAA, call them agents for MLB,doesn't matter it's all the same thing.
"It really ain't time yet, so I need to keep readin............."
Good idea. You never hear someone say they made a mistake because they had TOO MUCH information.
"Notice that bbscout has advisor/agent."
This is probably an accomodation of the hoops to jump through re: NCAA BS. Call them advisors for the NCAA, call them agents for MLB,doesn't matter it's all the same thing.
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When you have to deal with the NCAA, everything matters........especially advisor/agent
This is probably an accomodation of the hoops to jump through re: NCAA BS. Call them advisors for the NCAA, call them agents for MLB,doesn't matter it's all the same thing.
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When you have to deal with the NCAA, everything matters........especially advisor/agent
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bbscout:
"When you have to deal with the NCAA, everything matters........especially advisor/agent"
NCAA is a "paper tiger". They know their regs are BS & would never stand up to a court challenge. Obviously you don't want your kid to be the test case. Therefore, you call your Agent an advisor. If it walks like a duck etc.
For the last 20 years, the most they have done to any kid who was "caught" or turned himself in for having an Agent was to suspend him for 10% of his games the next year. Most recent was Jeremy Sowers having to sit out 6 games his Freshman year.
"When you have to deal with the NCAA, everything matters........especially advisor/agent"
NCAA is a "paper tiger". They know their regs are BS & would never stand up to a court challenge. Obviously you don't want your kid to be the test case. Therefore, you call your Agent an advisor. If it walks like a duck etc.
For the last 20 years, the most they have done to any kid who was "caught" or turned himself in for having an Agent was to suspend him for 10% of his games the next year. Most recent was Jeremy Sowers having to sit out 6 games his Freshman year.
