Who keeps the scorebook during your HS games? At our HS games a parent keeps the book, some problems have arisen from over zealous parents wanting to argue hit/no hit error/no error etc.
Who should keep the book ?
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No way we let a parent keep the scorebook. Im sure we have some parents that would do a great job and would be honest and fair. The problem is it could cause problems for the player of the parent. We have a student scorekeeper that we teach how to keep the book. Whenever there is a question of wether its a hit or error we tell her how to score it. Any questions about era or rbis we step in right away and just tell her how to score it. Our players know that no one discusses hits or errors and the coaches make those decisons. Its not hard to just say "Ericka score that a hit". Just my opinion
I do the announcing/books for my sons games.
If there are any questionable plays where I am not sure, I ask the coach. After the game, I enter it into the computer and give the stats to the coach the next day. He also has me call the results into the various newspapers.
Only once have I had someone ask me about a call I made. We double checked with the coach and I was correct.
I have done this for 5 years now, this may be my last or I may stick around after my son graduates to do the announcing and stats.
He trusts me and I do my best not to break that trust. I try to be unbiased, but I do make mistakes which is why I double check with him.
If there are any questionable plays where I am not sure, I ask the coach. After the game, I enter it into the computer and give the stats to the coach the next day. He also has me call the results into the various newspapers.
Only once have I had someone ask me about a call I made. We double checked with the coach and I was correct.
I have done this for 5 years now, this may be my last or I may stick around after my son graduates to do the announcing and stats.
He trusts me and I do my best not to break that trust. I try to be unbiased, but I do make mistakes which is why I double check with him.
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Originally posted by BigWI:
I do the announcing/books for my sons games.
If there are any questionable plays where I am not sure, I ask the coach. After the game, I enter it into the computer and give the stats to the coach the next day. He also has me call the results into the various newspapers.
Only once have I had someone ask me about a call I made. We double checked with the coach and I was correct.
I have done this for 5 years now, this may be my last or I may stick around after my son graduates to do the announcing and stats.
He trusts me and I do my best not to break that trust. I try to be unbiased, but I do make mistakes which is why I double check with him.
Be prepared for the coach to beg you to continue announcing / scoring after your son graduates. You sound too good to be true.
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Originally posted by crawdad:
You sound too good to be true.
Ya know, thats what I keep telling him!
I also kept the books for the HS team and the summer team. In my opinion I was keeping the book for the coach and any time there was a question regarding a hit or an error, I would look to the coach for the “proper” call. Coaches will also award wins and saves to pitchers that are not always “exactly right” but in my opinion that is their call. I would also call in the games to the local paper, and follow with a fax copy when I got home. I would also include a “write-up” about the game that the paper would use on occasion. After I faxed the newspaper, I would enter the score sheet into turbo stats and generate an updated stat sheet for the coach, which I delivered to his office at 8:00 AM the following morning. The only times this situation got awkward was the times different media people would call the head coach for stats on my son during his recruitment. He would always refer them to his scorekeeper (which happened to be me). No, I didn’t pad the stats...even if I did ...they are meaningless!! 
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We have a volunteer Coach, Mr. Steve Bay, and he keeps our book and calls in our stats. He has a couple of rules.
1. He judgement is never in question.
2. He won't discuss anything with anyone about anything at all. Seriously, don't speak to him during a game!
3. He wants to be in the dugout but be left alone.
4. He will never sit!
5. He calls all stats in and they won't be "corrected" after he calls them in.
Coach Bay loves the game. He is a purist. He wouldn't fudge a stat even if I asked him to. As he once said before he took the position, "the stats take care of themselves. Everything balances out and so, he will call them as he sees them."
1. He judgement is never in question.
2. He won't discuss anything with anyone about anything at all. Seriously, don't speak to him during a game!
3. He wants to be in the dugout but be left alone.
4. He will never sit!
5. He calls all stats in and they won't be "corrected" after he calls them in.
Coach Bay loves the game. He is a purist. He wouldn't fudge a stat even if I asked him to. As he once said before he took the position, "the stats take care of themselves. Everything balances out and so, he will call them as he sees them."
Although not H.S., when keeping score for summer league coach, anything less than being fairly certain on a play and I would seek the coach out and ask for his ruling. I guess in the end it doesn't really matter as not much attention is given to stats anyway other than one's personal interest.
The scorebook can be the worse teammate on a team. It lies, causes turmoil, and singles out friends. What other characteristics could you find to define a "bad teammate"? A scorebook should be kept, but a lot of thought should be put into selecting that ONE special person.
Our HS has a retired gentleman who looks at keeping score as a hobby he gets to indulge in the spring. He's unconnected with any of the players. About as unbiased as you can get.
While several parents share the task for scoring our club team ... as a group, we all get along so well that any "grey zone" play turns into a friendly discussion in the gallery, and if we can't agree on it, we just ask the coach ... it's his book and his word is final. We've never had a case of anything being inappropriately scored to help, or hurt, a player's stats. I will often score games on my Palm device ... but before I generate any stats out of that, I always verify against the official book that they are scored identically.
While several parents share the task for scoring our club team ... as a group, we all get along so well that any "grey zone" play turns into a friendly discussion in the gallery, and if we can't agree on it, we just ask the coach ... it's his book and his word is final. We've never had a case of anything being inappropriately scored to help, or hurt, a player's stats. I will often score games on my Palm device ... but before I generate any stats out of that, I always verify against the official book that they are scored identically.
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Originally posted by BigWI:
I do the announcing/books for my sons games.
If there are any questionable plays where I am not sure, I ask the coach. After the game, I enter it into the computer and give the stats to the coach the next day. He also has me call the results into the various newspapers.
Only once have I had someone ask me about a call I made. We double checked with the coach and I was correct.
I have done this for 5 years now, this may be my last or I may stick around after my son graduates to do the announcing and stats.
He trusts me and I do my best not to break that trust. I try to be unbiased, but I do make mistakes which is why I double check with him.
Good, I'll know who you are when my sons team plays your sons this summer. (I'll stop over and say "hi".) At least, I believe I saw NBWest on my sons schedule!
On our son's team the pitchers keep the book and the asst. coaches tell them on questionable plays/hits what the proper call is.
That's is the reason why college coaches and pro-scouts do not care about HS stas. They pay attention to tools and projections. 
There are times when I will read the recaps of games that I umpire in the local papers. Very often, I can't even recognize the game from the account that was called in by the HS scorer.
A 3 for 4 day in the paper was a 1-2 day with 2 errors in the game and a 2 hit shutout was a 6 hit game. Errors given to fielders seldom show up in the game recap.
Wins go to the wrong pitchers and saves are given in non save situations. Local Newspaper accounts should carry very little weight. Its a leading cause of why I hear, "whatever happened to XX player??" He was great, well, at least according to the local newspaper.
A 3 for 4 day in the paper was a 1-2 day with 2 errors in the game and a 2 hit shutout was a 6 hit game. Errors given to fielders seldom show up in the game recap.
Wins go to the wrong pitchers and saves are given in non save situations. Local Newspaper accounts should carry very little weight. Its a leading cause of why I hear, "whatever happened to XX player??" He was great, well, at least according to the local newspaper.
Exactly. Who really cares about high school stats anyway? C'mon really. Forget about hits and batting averages in high school. Anyone that has an eye for baseball can see who's consistently hitting line drives into the gaps or raking it over the fence! Other than that, on base percentage, extra base hits and strikeouts will tell you alot.... The rest is for the parents and players to argue over if they want to...
In some cases figures lie and lyers figure
BigWi- If I had a guy like that at my games, I'd keep him busy for the rest of his life!
* I don't let parents do it...bad idea as far as I'm concerned, since most parents aren't able to be like BigWi is about it. Players do the book for me...although I hope to train my young son to do it once he gets a little older.
* I don't let parents do it...bad idea as far as I'm concerned, since most parents aren't able to be like BigWi is about it. Players do the book for me...although I hope to train my young son to do it once he gets a little older.
Speaking of poor official score keeping it is no worse than mlb baseball.
I don't think they realize a hit hurts the pitcher and helps the hitter and an error hurts the hitter and helps the pitcher.
For every decision made someone pays a consequence. They act like giving a hit on a messed up play is fair to everyone.
I don't think they realize a hit hurts the pitcher and helps the hitter and an error hurts the hitter and helps the pitcher.
For every decision made someone pays a consequence. They act like giving a hit on a messed up play is fair to everyone.
Come on Teacherman 
. How can you compare the MLB scoring to HS. How many scoring mistakes are made during 162 game MLB season for 30+ teams. You're intent here has to be instill un-necessary controversy on the worthless point you made.
Posters, please do not satisfy his entertainment needs.
. How can you compare the MLB scoring to HS. How many scoring mistakes are made during 162 game MLB season for 30+ teams. You're intent here has to be instill un-necessary controversy on the worthless point you made.Posters, please do not satisfy his entertainment needs.
"H.S. scoring is no worse then MLB scoring"
Congratulations as that has to be the most asinine statement ever made on these boards.
Congratulations as that has to be the most asinine statement ever made on these boards.
Wrong.
It's a big topic with Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan of the Cardinals.
I'm generally a LaRussa critic but he is right on on this matter.
Time and time again things that should be scored errors are scored as hits. Leads to higher ERA's.
The official scorers throw out hits like there are no consequences to their decisions.
Don't believe me investigate.
It's a big topic with Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan of the Cardinals.
I'm generally a LaRussa critic but he is right on on this matter.
Time and time again things that should be scored errors are scored as hits. Leads to higher ERA's.
The official scorers throw out hits like there are no consequences to their decisions.
Don't believe me investigate.
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posted January 19, 2005 02:25 PM
Speaking of poor official score keeping it is no worse than mlb baseball.
That has to be right, because the Pizzaman, err the Billiardman, err the Teacherman said it.
It must be a conspiracy against the pitchers and fielders.
4Falcons,
I just checked our schedule, and we do not play you guys this year. <aybe we'll see you at state . Geoff is no longer at St. Norbert's so I won't see you at chads game either.
Coach Knight,
Thank you for the kind words. Get me a season pass to the Ludington Ferry so I can get to Michigan easily and we'll see what I can do to help.
Actually I enjoy it so much I think I will stick around next year after my son graduates.
If you have ever been to a stress management class they tell you to find a "happy Place" to focus on when the stress gets too much. Mine is the High School baseball field.
I just checked our schedule, and we do not play you guys this year. <aybe we'll see you at state
. Geoff is no longer at St. Norbert's so I won't see you at chads game either.Coach Knight,
Thank you for the kind words. Get me a season pass to the Ludington Ferry so I can get to Michigan easily and we'll see what I can do to help.
Actually I enjoy it so much I think I will stick around next year after my son graduates.
If you have ever been to a stress management class they tell you to find a "happy Place" to focus on when the stress gets too much. Mine is the High School baseball field.