Who should get the Heisman?

Suh, from Nebraska is pretty good. Heisman-type hype, but not really Heisman-worthy. Besides, theyd never give a trophy of a guy running with a ball to a defender (I thought Charles Woodson also played KR and WR that year)

I think it should always go to a RB, so I'll say Mark Ingram.

I hope the 4 offensive guys split the vote, and Suh the best college football player sacks em all.

Not the year for a quarterback to win. Ingram would be my first choice, Gerhart second. Playing for the number one team gives Ingram the edge, I believe.

I'm thinking Ingram will get it. Tebow hasn't played to the Heisman levels as in years past. Colt hurt his chances last week against Nebraska.

IMO

I think Ingram should win it. He is a big reason his team is playing for the NC. I dont think they are if he does not have the season he has had.

I think Colt McCoy is a close second and I wouldnt have a problem if he won it at all. I like him for the same reasons I like Ingram.

Out of all these players I think Suh has the most upside for the next level. He is a dominating type of player. Tremendous physical talent with a great motor.

I hate I didnt get to see Gearhart play more. I only got the chance to see him play one game and it was against ND. I love the way he runs the ball. He also seems like one heck of a young man when he is interviewed on TV.

Tebow was hurt bigtime by the loss to Bama. I think if he has a big game against Bama and they win he is in great shape. But Ingram probably won it with that performance. At least I hope so.

Suh is the most dominant of the 5. What he did in the Big 12 championship game is the same thing he's done all year long. He'll get the most 1st place votes...just hope he doesn't get left off too many narrow minded voter's ballots who think it's only an offensive award.

Suh is a Portland boy. My son was a freshman when Suh was a senior, so he didn't spend any time on the field with him. But I sure remember how dominant he was in high school.

It would be great to see the Heisman go to a defensive player for the first time in so many years.

I vote for the baseball player from Stanford.

I have not heard a lot about Ingram off the field. But the other 4 are top notch kids off the field. They also all handle themselves very well in interviews. Their parents should all be as proud of them off the field as on.

Gearhart,

I know I am a mom, and no nothing about football, but I loved seeing him play.On the other note, 20-22 units this semester, engineering major at Stanford, and he plays baseball. He should get some kind of award. 3.5 -3-6 GPA as well. Good for him.

For those that care, there is an excellent college football game on right now on ESPN - Montana vs. Appalacian State.

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Hmmm? Appalachian State? Where have I heard that before? Were they in the headlines in recent years?




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Ingram will win, his SEC championship game performance was the deciding factor that will tilt it his way.
My choice? Loved the Gearhart kid the one game I saw him play. Tough as nails, they couldn't bring him down. The courseload he's taking just makes him more impressive as a true Student/athlete.

Ingram ran against some of the toughest defenses in the country. The PAC10 wasn't exactly a defensive league this year.

Taking nothing away from Gerhart, but he wouldn't have had 1700+ yards in the SEC.

As disappointing as it should be for Toby Gerhart not to win the Heisman.

Ingram deserved to win for the whole Alabama program.

You win with grace,
And you loss with grace.

Congratulation's to all who were involved in this award.

EH

All five are worthy of the award and I'm sure the communities they represent are very proud of them just as Flint celebrates Mark Ingram Day.

Rob you're right. Gerhardt probably wouldn't have had that many yards in the SEC. Hard not to pull for a baseball player, though.
I have to say as an Alabama resident I was touched by the humbleness and emotion Ingram showed gracefully accepting the trophy.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:

I have only seen highlight clips of Toby Gearhart. I wonder if baseball will be his ultimate sport? How about that for turning this thread into a baseball one?

It's difficult for baseball to compete with football for a multi-sport player who has Gerhart's skills...a trek through the minors versus the immediate playing time, money and endorsements that football offers.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:

I have only seen highlight clips of Toby Gearhart. I wonder if baseball will be his ultimate sport? How about that for turning this thread into a baseball one?

It's difficult for baseball to compete with football for a multi-sport player who has Gerhart's skills...a trek through the minors versus the immediate playing time, money and endorsements that football offers.

Immediate playing time, money and endorsements????

"Gerhart has deceptive speed (4.55), but can't consistently turn the corner. Gerhart also does not have a second gear, and has limited experience pass blocking. His route running is inconsistent, at best and he has a poor feel for reading coverage. Gerhart is a player without a position; he is not fast enough to be a future back and not big enough to be a fullback."

Isn't it amazing how one loss took all the glimmer off Tebow

I thought the Nebraska Defensive Lineman , Suh was the best player on both sides of the line in the country

What I was impressed with the most was the quality of these five young men. Everyone of them are outstanding young men that every school can be proud of. Listening to them speak was a pleasure. You could make a case for everyone of them.

I was touched by the way Mark was humbled by winning the award. It was great to see a young man win something and not act like a clown. He won it with grace and accepted it with humility. You could tell he wanted to win it for Alabama more than for himself. I think he will run like a wild beast in the NC game.

I was very proud of the way those five guys represented themselves and their schools. They are all class acts imo.

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What I was impressed with the most was the quality of these five young men. Everyone of them are outstanding young men that every school can be proud of. Listening to them speak was a pleasure. You could make a case for everyone of them.

I was touched by the way Mark was humbled by winning the award. It was great to see a young man win something and not act like a clown. He won it with grace and accepted it with humility. You could tell he wanted to win it for Alabama more than for himself. I think he will run like a wild beast in the NC game.

I was very proud of the way those five guys represented themselves and their schools. They are all class acts imo.

Totally agree. I did not know much about Mark Ingram other than seeing him play a few times. I am now very impressed with this young man after the gracious and humble manner in which he won this award yesterday. A truly deseving young man imho.

And I do believe that he is just a sophomore

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:

I have only seen highlight clips of Toby Gearhart. I wonder if baseball will be his ultimate sport? How about that for turning this thread into a baseball one?

It's difficult for baseball to compete with football for a multi-sport player who has Gerhart's skills...a trek through the minors versus the immediate playing time, money and endorsements that football offers.

Immediate playing time, money and endorsements????

"Gerhart has deceptive speed (4.55), but can't consistently turn the corner. Gerhart also does not have a second gear, and has limited experience pass blocking. His route running is inconsistent, at best and he has a poor feel for reading coverage. Gerhart is a player without a position; he is not fast enough to be a future back and not big enough to be a fullback."

Let's resume this conversation in two years at this time.

Yes he is a soph. I saw the story about his dad who is in prison and getting ready to be sentenced I believe to around 7 years. It was a very touching moment when he mentioned his dad during his acceptance speech. The tears and emotion he showed and the humility was special. Its very hard not to pull for a young man that shows that type of class in a situation like that.

The kid couldnt thank enough people , even though he sure tried.

When I watch Suh play all I can think of is Reggie White. But Suh is even bigger , stronger , faster and more dominating than White was at this time in their careers. If I had to choose one of these guys in the draft there is no way I pass on Suh. I see him as an immediate impact player in the NFL.

I think Gerhart will be a very good professional player.

Suh really didn't have a chance because of offensive bias and because of Nebraska's 4 loss record. I have no problem with any of the 5 kids winning as they are all class acts. It was nice to see the classy acceptance speech by Ingram. They really should fess up and just say the Heisman is for the best offensive player in the country.

The only time I saw Suh play was against Texas. If he played that way all year or even close to it, then he got robbed of the Heisman.

For that one game, the best college football player I saw all year.

I agree. That performance was the most dominating game changing performance I saw all year and its not even close. I watched him play against VT and he was double and triple teamed the entire game. He is a player that demands a game plan for. He makes everyone around him a better player.

Tx-Husker its always been an offensive award as you well know. Woodson got it because he also returned kicks and played some WR. If not he wouldnt have gotten when he did imo.

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When I watch Suh play all I can think of is Reggie White. But Suh is even bigger , stronger , faster and more dominating than White was at this time in their careers. If I had to choose one of these guys in the draft there is no way I pass on Suh. I see him as an immediate impact player in the NFL.

I think Gerhart will be a very good professional player.

He'll be a 1st overall pick.

Typical east coast bias with Gerhart coming in 2nd. Not quite as obvious as the year Gino (who) Toretta won the Hesiman and Marshall Faulk came in 2nd

You know the thing about it is many people had no idea who he was until the last four or five games of the season. I kept hearing about him but didnt get the chance to see him play until the USC game. I was really impressed with him. I watched the Stanford ND game just to get another look at him and their future Heisman contender Luck the QB. And the guy was amazing. He is a fun guy to watch play.

I have to believe that if Stanford was undefeated and playing for the NC and Alabama had Stanfords record Toby would have won it. But I could be wrong.

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Woodson got it because he also returned kicks and played some WR. If not he wouldnt have gotten when he did imo.

Agreed. Never has a defensive only player won. Never will one win if Suh couldn't win this year. The award should just be called what it is...best player who handles the ball.

I don't see Gerhart as having next level ability. He reminds me of Touchdown Tommy Vardell who was a bust from Stanford. I could be wrong but that is the impression I get. I think he should stick to baseball.

Suh indeed is impressive but he is no sure thing in the NFL either. Cortney Brown from Penn State had a dominating career at Penn State and turned out to be another bust in the NFL after being selected first overall.

Teebow may have some luck as a fullback but I see him as a late round draft choice at best.

I like McCoy and believe he will have a fine NFL career.

Mark Ingram reminds me of Emmit Smith. He knows how to gain yardage.

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Suh indeed is impressive but he is no sure thing in the NFL either.

That's not what NFL scouts and players are saying. They are saying they see incredible dominance when all he really does is bull rush. They see big upside, and thus the #1 draft spot, because he had done all that with no hand technique.

I am sorry that Gerhart didn't win.

He was on the same team as my son at the Stanford baseball camp 4-years ago last summer. My son said he was a good guy, "very confident," but a good guy.

Gerhardt was my sentimental pick, too. Mainly because of the baseball connection. I will say that Ingram, who came from nowhere and wasn't even considered a legitimate candidate just a few weeks ago, won some fans last night with how he conducted himself. Me included, he just came across as a super guy, and the kind of teammate you hope your son has.

Same here Wayne. Now can you imagine how hard those guys are going to block for him? Did you hear the way he made sure he talked about his offensive line with tears in his eyes?

When Coach Saban walked over to him and gave him a hug you could see tears in Coach Sabans eyes as well. What that young man did was show everyone else what class truly is.

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Agreed. Never has a defensive only player won. Never will one win if Suh couldn't win this year. The award should just be called what it is...best player who handles the ball.

Husker, the only other DL who ever got close was Rich Glover.

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Husker, the only other DL who ever got close was Rich Glover.

From...........?

Very true...another Husker. As good as Mr. Glover was, he wasn't as dominating as Mr. Suh has been this year. But, I though Hugh Green from Pitt came close a while back.