I'd applaud this dive: http://www.4xtimes.com/index.php?sky=graceful+Swan+Dive&movieid=5871
Orlando - very nice post.
I did not see anything provocative in TG's posts in this thread frankly but obviously some did. Couple of things:
For those that find something offensive in someone's post, try the pm route if possible to let them know. Give the person the benefit of the doubt before calling them out in public if possible.
For those that get called out, consider modifying the post and also use the pm route if possible to explain yourself.
Orlando is 100% right - if you post here enough, someone will take exception to something you have written. I was called out this past Friday (improperly in my mind) and it peaved me off. Rather than fire back, I chose to modify my post that caused the alleged controversy. I am still a little miffed about it but the matter went away quickly without further controversy.
I did not see anything provocative in TG's posts in this thread frankly but obviously some did. Couple of things:
For those that find something offensive in someone's post, try the pm route if possible to let them know. Give the person the benefit of the doubt before calling them out in public if possible.
For those that get called out, consider modifying the post and also use the pm route if possible to explain yourself.
Orlando is 100% right - if you post here enough, someone will take exception to something you have written. I was called out this past Friday (improperly in my mind) and it peaved me off. Rather than fire back, I chose to modify my post that caused the alleged controversy. I am still a little miffed about it but the matter went away quickly without further controversy.
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Would love to see Orlando's post...depersoanlized...expanded and posted somewhere as a guideline for all...
...explains...educates...gives history...
and encourages...
44
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Would love to see Orlando's post...depersoanlized...expanded and posted somewhere as a guideline for all...
...explains...educates...gives history...
and encourages...
44.
quote:by O44: Would love to see Orlando's post...depersoanlized...expanded and posted somewhere as a guideline for all...
DONE!
hsbbweb message board rules/manners
Interesting the way this thread a has evolved
I can remember when people did not have thin skin on here and we had some very spirited debates without people getting offended like they do now---I guess this is just indicative of how our world is changing or has changed---don't yell at anyone because you might scar their psyche, even an adult---OMG---well let me tell you that if my psyche ain't scarred by now it never will be-- there will always be give and take on forums where people have opinions and yes there are times that can get very "heavy' but that is good too
I would truly hate to see this site become "soft" in terms of debate---it will take away from the exchange of ideas and knowledge
I can remember when people did not have thin skin on here and we had some very spirited debates without people getting offended like they do now---I guess this is just indicative of how our world is changing or has changed---don't yell at anyone because you might scar their psyche, even an adult---OMG---well let me tell you that if my psyche ain't scarred by now it never will be-- there will always be give and take on forums where people have opinions and yes there are times that can get very "heavy' but that is good too
I would truly hate to see this site become "soft" in terms of debate---it will take away from the exchange of ideas and knowledge
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Bee...thanks bunches - read that every morning before my AM post...
...but not what I was thinking...
Not so much a set of basic rules....more of an editorial comment to "flesh out" out those rules...
44
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Bee...thanks bunches - read that every morning before my AM post...
...but not what I was thinking...
Not so much a set of basic rules....more of an editorial comment to "flesh out" out those rules...
44.
quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
I am still a little miffed about it but the matter went away quickly without further controversy.
I hear ya' CD...some things bug me too! Fortunately they did go away quickly without too much controversy.
I don't think the times have really changed. In the old days, the hsbbweb was a much smaller community and I think that explains why things seemed different back then.
I also think there is a place for spirited debate and think this place would be boring if all we ever did was pat ourselves on the back for all the brilliant posts that are made. There was a recent thread on the military academy and pro baseball that met this criteria although some of the posts crossed the line into personal attack. In that thread, I think it was important for people to express their views even though it was highly controversial and provocative.
It does take some practice to learn how to write for a national and sometimes global audience these days. One suggestion is to write with a sense of humility rather than a sense that one has all the answers. Orlando started another fine thread that was on the metaphorical side about attending a party that is also applicable to these issues.
Welcome to the Party
I hope people appreciate the thin-skinned advice is something to be considered for all parties i.e., the one doing the calling out and for the one that is called out.
I also think there is a place for spirited debate and think this place would be boring if all we ever did was pat ourselves on the back for all the brilliant posts that are made. There was a recent thread on the military academy and pro baseball that met this criteria although some of the posts crossed the line into personal attack. In that thread, I think it was important for people to express their views even though it was highly controversial and provocative.
It does take some practice to learn how to write for a national and sometimes global audience these days. One suggestion is to write with a sense of humility rather than a sense that one has all the answers. Orlando started another fine thread that was on the metaphorical side about attending a party that is also applicable to these issues.
Welcome to the Party
I hope people appreciate the thin-skinned advice is something to be considered for all parties i.e., the one doing the calling out and for the one that is called out.
Tell me WwwwHhhhYyyy you cry.
And Why you LlllIiiiEeee to MmEee
Tell me WwwwwHhhhhYYyyy you Cry,
And Why you LLllIIiiEEee to Me.
Oh I gave you everything I have.
But you tell me that I'm on my own.
Oh why you make me oh so sad.
All I do is hang my head and moan.
Tell me WwwwHhhhYyyy you cry.
And Why you LlllIiiiEeee to MmEee
Tell me WwwwwHhhhhYYyyy you Cry,
And Why you LLllIIiiEEee to Me.
WHY
And Why you LlllIiiiEeee to MmEee
Tell me WwwwwHhhhhYYyyy you Cry,
And Why you LLllIIiiEEee to Me.
Oh I gave you everything I have.
But you tell me that I'm on my own.
Oh why you make me oh so sad.
All I do is hang my head and moan.
Tell me WwwwHhhhYyyy you cry.
And Why you LlllIiiiEeee to MmEee
Tell me WwwwwHhhhhYYyyy you Cry,
And Why you LLllIIiiEEee to Me.
WHY
I'll provide a group response here rather than respond to each point.
My kids are my experienced point of reference. It doesn't mean they are better or worse than any other players. One thing I like about this board is the posters have more talented kids for the most part and understand what it is to have a talented athlete and a different perspective than most parents.
I don't frown on debate. Two things that make this board's world go 'round are debate and education. The thing I like about this board is in general people don't get personal in a negative way for the most part. But since I've experienced twice in a week with an insult on my son saying he sucked (in a post he wan't mentioned ...it was the thread on the anti-showcase travel coach ... the insult came from a poster who I hope didn't pay to showcase his son with the end result being he's playing at a girls college for a first time coach who previously coached womens's s****r). See I can dish it out too.
Now there's an insult on how I refer to my kid's mother (not tipping you off as part of my stubborness) and an insult on my parenting pulled out of the blue and not related to any post I've ever made post. I get it now. There are some hostile people on this board. That's OK. I'm learing who they are. I can dish it out real nasty too. My responses in these just mentioned instances are nothing compared to how I can respond. These were not responses questioning my motives. These were just plain judgemental insults for no reason.
For the record I did PM the poster how I felt about his first post. He responded with a second insulting post.
All I'm going to say about the mom, mother" thing, is if someone is offended by how I refer to her, get a freak'n life. This is a baseball board. Are you going to shove your religious value down my throat next? I refer to her in the manner I do because I'm referring to her as she interacts with the kids participating in sports, not with me. She's not my mother. Therefore it's "their mother", "mom", "mother" and will continue to be. If someone doesn't like it, shove it where the son doesn't shine. See, I can act like an *** too. It makes me uncomfortable to to it intentionally. But if it's what it takes on this board I can handle it. Of course this kind of exchange makes this board no different than any other.
I have no problem with terms like, I vehemently disagree with you." I have no problem with terms like, "Please explain your thoughts so I can think anything other than you're wrong." But I don't put up with personal insults without smacking back. I've been sucked into the hostilities on other boards, where the hostilities become as much of the show as baseball posts. I wanted to get away from that.
My kids are my experienced point of reference. It doesn't mean they are better or worse than any other players. One thing I like about this board is the posters have more talented kids for the most part and understand what it is to have a talented athlete and a different perspective than most parents.
I don't frown on debate. Two things that make this board's world go 'round are debate and education. The thing I like about this board is in general people don't get personal in a negative way for the most part. But since I've experienced twice in a week with an insult on my son saying he sucked (in a post he wan't mentioned ...it was the thread on the anti-showcase travel coach ... the insult came from a poster who I hope didn't pay to showcase his son with the end result being he's playing at a girls college for a first time coach who previously coached womens's s****r). See I can dish it out too.
Now there's an insult on how I refer to my kid's mother (not tipping you off as part of my stubborness) and an insult on my parenting pulled out of the blue and not related to any post I've ever made post. I get it now. There are some hostile people on this board. That's OK. I'm learing who they are. I can dish it out real nasty too. My responses in these just mentioned instances are nothing compared to how I can respond. These were not responses questioning my motives. These were just plain judgemental insults for no reason.
For the record I did PM the poster how I felt about his first post. He responded with a second insulting post.
All I'm going to say about the mom, mother" thing, is if someone is offended by how I refer to her, get a freak'n life. This is a baseball board. Are you going to shove your religious value down my throat next? I refer to her in the manner I do because I'm referring to her as she interacts with the kids participating in sports, not with me. She's not my mother. Therefore it's "their mother", "mom", "mother" and will continue to be. If someone doesn't like it, shove it where the son doesn't shine. See, I can act like an *** too. It makes me uncomfortable to to it intentionally. But if it's what it takes on this board I can handle it. Of course this kind of exchange makes this board no different than any other.
I have no problem with terms like, I vehemently disagree with you." I have no problem with terms like, "Please explain your thoughts so I can think anything other than you're wrong." But I don't put up with personal insults without smacking back. I've been sucked into the hostilities on other boards, where the hostilities become as much of the show as baseball posts. I wanted to get away from that.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Interesting the way this thread a has evolved
I can remember when people did not have thin skin on here and we had some very spirited debates without people getting offended like they do now
Yeah TR...I remember those days fondly!
"Has anyone seen my skin conditioner?"
Gotwood
Those were fun times!!!
Those were fun times!!!
quote:Originally posted by TG:
I'll provide a group response here rather than respond to each point.
My kids are my experienced point of reference. It doesn't mean they are better or worse than any other players. One thing I like about this board is the posters have more talented kids for the most part and understand what it is to have a talented athlete and a different perspective than most parents.
I don't frown on debate. Two things that make this board's world go 'round are debate and education. The thing I like about this board is in general people don't get personal in a negative way for the most part. But since I've experienced twice in a week with an insult on my son saying he sucked (in a post he wan't mentioned ...it was the thread on the anti-showcase travel coach ... the insult came from a poster who I hope didn't pay to showcase his son with the end result being he's playing at a girls college for a first time coach who previously coached womens's s****r). See I can dish it out too.
Now there's an insult on how I refer to my kid's mother (not tipping you off as part of my stubborness) and an insult on my parenting pulled out of the blue and not related to any post I've ever made post. I get it now. There are some hostile people on this board. That's OK. I'm learing who they are. I can dish it out real nasty too. My responses in these just mentioned instances are nothing compared to how I can respond. These were not responses questioning my motives. These were just plain judgemental insults for no reason.
For the record I did PM the poster how I felt about his first post. He responded with a second insulting post.
All I'm going to say about the mom, mother" thing, is if someone is offended by how I refer to her, get a freak'n life. This is a baseball board. Are you going to shove your religious value down my throat next? I refer to her in the manner I do because I'm referring to her as she interacts with the kids participating in sports, not with me. She's not my mother. Therefore it's "their mother", "mom", "mother" and will continue to be. If someone doesn't like it, shove it where the son doesn't shine. See, I can act like an *** too. It makes me uncomfortable to to it intentionally. But if it's what it takes on this board I can handle it. Of course this kind of exchange makes this board no different than any other.
I have no problem with terms like, I vehemently disagree with you." I have no problem with terms like, "Please explain your thoughts so I can think anything other than you're wrong." But I don't put up with personal insults without smacking back. I've been sucked into the hostilities on other boards, where the hostilities become as much of the show as baseball posts. I wanted to get away from that.
Why? I guess this is a perfect example of how when some people chose to voice their opinion or their view and they may not understand how others might perceive their comments in a negative way.
quote:Originally posted by Homerun04:
Why? I guess this is a perfect example of how when some people chose to voice their opinion or their view and they may not understand how others might perceive their comments in a negative way.
Let's be clearer here. These are the three posts I took offense to.
1) I posted the anti-showcase opinion of a known travel program. I stated this is for discussion and not my opinion. A poster responsed "You're kid must have sucked."
2) The "mom" reference above.
3) When I told the poster I found the comment offensive and insulting in it's wording ....
"TG, you refer to her as "his mother" so I assume it's not your wife?
2) If it isn't your wife, how about do her a favor and let her enjoy her well-deserved freedom?...
he responded in a manner I don't see how anyone can see as another attempt to be insulting.
""As I hung up the phone it occurred to me, he'd grown up just like me. My boy was just like me!"
I don't need a stranger passing judgement on my parenting out of the blue. Maybe I should just assume and post every time I disagree with a poster they are a bad parent. For the record, when I've discussed kids in general with parents, I've never heard anything about my kids but, "They are so polite they are welcome in our house anytime." Kids aren't perfect, but mine do a good job in front of adults. That's from parenting.
TG - this refers only to my post and nothing else...
You did certainly channel my former spouse in your original post. I could hear his voice! But that's not your fault, it's his, and mine. My bad.
At the same time, when you bring your spouse into the mix on a public forum, especially in such a disdainful way (at least a few of us perceived it that way), I don't think you can expect to not get called on it. JMO.
You did certainly channel my former spouse in your original post. I could hear his voice! But that's not your fault, it's his, and mine. My bad.
At the same time, when you bring your spouse into the mix on a public forum, especially in such a disdainful way (at least a few of us perceived it that way), I don't think you can expect to not get called on it. JMO.
So much for "ADIOS" !!!!
This site is darn addictive !!!!
This site is darn addictive !!!!
Hey TG...hang around. You've livened things up and that's good.
You've got strong opinions and there certainly is nothing wrong with that.
You've obviously been through the battles elsewhere on the internet. I think we are a bit different here. There's a lot to learn here on the HSBBW...and it's seldom boring!
Please accept a welcoming hand...from my uncle Al Fotolia.
You've got strong opinions and there certainly is nothing wrong with that.
You've obviously been through the battles elsewhere on the internet. I think we are a bit different here. There's a lot to learn here on the HSBBW...and it's seldom boring!
Please accept a welcoming hand...from my uncle Al Fotolia.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
This site is darn addictive !!!!
Click on the center icon below twelve times...click your heels together twelve times...and hope it works!
TG
I couldn't figure out what all of the fuss was about until I read your first post.
If I said this to my wife at a ballgame, I would have to order a 1 year subsbription to the playboy channel to keep myself entertained.
This post really rough. How can you call out a mother for encouraging her son? Futhurmore, do you think it's ok for a KID to lash out at his biggest fan??
I'm not for ya or against ya, I doubt this was the message that you wanted to send, but it was percieved that way. Just be a little more careful, thats all.
I couldn't figure out what all of the fuss was about until I read your first post.
quote:Even my kid's mother can be an apologist. She blamed his having a bad inning in the field on getting banged up in goal (s****r) the night before. I stared at her and said, "Why don't you get a megaphone and make sure everyone knows. Then we can take a poll to see if anyone cares. The bottom line is produce or go home."
If I said this to my wife at a ballgame, I would have to order a 1 year subsbription to the playboy channel to keep myself entertained.
quote:It drives JR nuts when he gets fooled, hits a high fly the other way and mom is yelling good hit as he's grumbling to himself for getting fooled at the plate. One time he snapped at her, "That's not a good hit. This isn't LL."
This post really rough. How can you call out a mother for encouraging her son? Futhurmore, do you think it's ok for a KID to lash out at his biggest fan??
I'm not for ya or against ya, I doubt this was the message that you wanted to send, but it was percieved that way. Just be a little more careful, thats all.
It was the overreaction I always tell my kids never to have.quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
So much for "ADIOS" !!!!
This site is darn addictive !!!!