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And what becomes of the 'unchallenged' students who tried out, but failed to make the cut? Should there be government mandated (taxpayer funded) accommodations to ensure their participation in sports?
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And what becomes of the 'unchallenged' students who tried out, but failed to make the cut? Should there be government mandated (taxpayer funded) accommodations to ensure their participation in sports?
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1. Special Olympics is for disabled. In my "neck of the woods", the school system helps sponsor the 2 week event & provides facilities - pool, tracks, ballfields, stadium, etc.
2. That's what little league was for...and JV or some schools offer freshman teams in certain sports.
2. That's what little league was for...and JV or some schools offer freshman teams in certain sports.
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Good comments baseballmom.
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Good comments baseballmom.
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quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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And what becomes of the 'unchallenged' students who tried out, but failed to make the cut? Should there be government mandated (taxpayer funded) accommodations to ensure their participation in sports?
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Don't give them any ideas.
I should have included student, parent & faculty volunteering, fundraising events, refreshments, PSA's & a few other things. My daughter helped train in swimming events, son in baseball. To this day, he works with his minor league team doing baseball training conditining & games for Special Olympics each year.
Is it really neccessary for a mandate from the Education Dept of our government? Has this Education Secretary even contacted Spec Olympics for some advise? Are there enough disabled students on any given campus to warrant the economic output this would require? Are disabled currently being denied an opportunity to participate?
Is it really neccessary for a mandate from the Education Dept of our government? Has this Education Secretary even contacted Spec Olympics for some advise? Are there enough disabled students on any given campus to warrant the economic output this would require? Are disabled currently being denied an opportunity to participate?
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I wish! They're so far ahead of me their last four campfires are stone cold!
And baseballmom...everything you've said is wonderful. One objection I have with all levels of government getting so overbearingly involved in this stuff is that the agencies take away the motivation and satisfaction of individuals like your kids who give unselfishly of their time to others who are not as fortunate. It's sad. Big government types don't understand this.
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- "Don't give them any ideas."
I wish! They're so far ahead of me their last four campfires are stone cold!
And baseballmom...everything you've said is wonderful. One objection I have with all levels of government getting so overbearingly involved in this stuff is that the agencies take away the motivation and satisfaction of individuals like your kids who give unselfishly of their time to others who are not as fortunate. It's sad. Big government types don't understand this.
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This could end meaningful high school sports IMO. There will be lawsuits for sure that force the school to let a kid play even though he may not be talented enough.
I have no problem with disabled kids playing a sport if it is based on their ability not some lawyer. If schools are forced to offer a new league or team their is no way they can afford it. Most cut sports first when looking for money.
The first time someone gets hurt you know that there will be a lawsuit.
I have no problem with disabled kids playing a sport if it is based on their ability not some lawyer. If schools are forced to offer a new league or team their is no way they can afford it. Most cut sports first when looking for money.
The first time someone gets hurt you know that there will be a lawsuit.
First, I would never use Yahoo Sports as a resource for anything. With the exception of a handful of people, their writers and the resources they use are poor.
Second, the writer never should have mentioned Title IX. Title IX has nothing to do with disabilities. This situation would be covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. The mention of Title IX shows a bias against it. This article should be titled .. If you don't like Title IX take this and shove it down your throat.
I don't see anything in this article that places disabled kids on varsity sports unless they can compete at that level. What I see is kids can't be excluded if they have the ability. There have been plenty of stories over the past couple of years where disabled kids had the ability to compete and weren't allowed.
I would imagine there are very few high schools in the country who could field teams for the disabled (who wanted to have their own team) and find other schools to compete against.
Second, the writer never should have mentioned Title IX. Title IX has nothing to do with disabilities. This situation would be covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. The mention of Title IX shows a bias against it. This article should be titled .. If you don't like Title IX take this and shove it down your throat.
I don't see anything in this article that places disabled kids on varsity sports unless they can compete at that level. What I see is kids can't be excluded if they have the ability. There have been plenty of stories over the past couple of years where disabled kids had the ability to compete and weren't allowed.
I would imagine there are very few high schools in the country who could field teams for the disabled (who wanted to have their own team) and find other schools to compete against.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
Second, the writer never should have mentioned Title IX. Title IX has nothing to do with disabilities. This situation would be covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. The mention of Title IX shows a bias against it. This article should be titled .. If you don't like Title IX take this and shove it down your throat.
Not to be argumentative, but I believe the comparative analogy of Title IX is apt if you extrapolate out what has happened. Keep in mind that we are bombarded with the medias positive spin on the virtues of Title IX. However it has had deleterious effects as well, but those are either ignored or dismissed.
I am all for disabled kids having opportunities as their lives are fraught with more challenges just to accomplish every day tasks. Yet I would not like to see government step in an mandate policies which have adverse effects on other children.
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I believe RJM's assessment is accurate. This link will take you to the actual memo/interpretation from the Dept. of Education. It is not nearly as radical a change as you might think. Read the examples. I doubt that you will disagree with any of them. I really don't think this will be a major change for the kids currently involved in sports. But, it will hopefully ensure that kids that all kids that have the ability to compete will get the chance.
http://www2.ed.gov/about/offic...eague-201301-504.pdf
http://www2.ed.gov/about/offic...eague-201301-504.pdf
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
First, I would never use Yahoo Sports as a resource for anything. With the exception of a handful of people, their writers and the resources they use are poor.
Second, the writer never should have mentioned Title IX. Title IX has nothing to do with disabilities. This situation would be covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. The mention of Title IX shows a bias against it. This article should be titled .. If you don't like Title IX take this and shove it down your throat.
I don't see anything in this article that places disabled kids on varsity sports unless they can compete at that level. What I see is kids can't be excluded if they have the ability. There have been plenty of stories over the past couple of years where disabled kids had the ability to compete and weren't allowed.
I would imagine there are very few high schools in the country who could field teams for the disabled (who wanted to have their own team) and find other schools to compete against.
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Could the same be accomplished without the intrusion of the federal government? We need them to back off rather than dig in.
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Could the same be accomplished without the intrusion of the federal government? We need them to back off rather than dig in.
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Are you trying to put politicians and lobbyists out of business?quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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Could the same be accomplished without the intrusion of the federal government? We need them to back off rather than dig in.
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I believe politicians should have to go to work in outfits like race car drivers. They should wear jumpsuits with patches of all their sponsors.
The reality of this is that there are political activists who would rather see everyone shut down, than see someone benefit while they feel left out.
It's one thing to do what you can for those with disabilities. It's another thing to pretend the disabilities aren't, as they used to be called, handicaps.
If this rule were actually carried out to the absurd extent hinted at in some reports, the likely response of many school districts would be the Prince Edward County option -- shut down the school sports programs and leave sports to private sector clubs. Schools struggle to fund what they have now. You can't create funding for new teams that really almost no one is interested in other than some PC lunatics just by decreeing that henceforth it must be so.
Everyone should dust off their copy of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" short story and learn from it. Vonnegut was about as liberal as they come, and even he saw the absurdity in some of these extreme positions. But unfortunately, we have put into power the kinds of people who think the whole world has just been waiting for them, to be remade in their image.
It's one thing to do what you can for those with disabilities. It's another thing to pretend the disabilities aren't, as they used to be called, handicaps.
If this rule were actually carried out to the absurd extent hinted at in some reports, the likely response of many school districts would be the Prince Edward County option -- shut down the school sports programs and leave sports to private sector clubs. Schools struggle to fund what they have now. You can't create funding for new teams that really almost no one is interested in other than some PC lunatics just by decreeing that henceforth it must be so.
Everyone should dust off their copy of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" short story and learn from it. Vonnegut was about as liberal as they come, and even he saw the absurdity in some of these extreme positions. But unfortunately, we have put into power the kinds of people who think the whole world has just been waiting for them, to be remade in their image.
Schools shall:
If you are thinking strictly in terms of physical disabilities, expand the possibilities. Let's say I have a son with a learning disability, anger management problem, autistic or any number of "qualifying" disorders - Attention deficit......shall the school make accommodation for him when the head coach decides he's not good enough for the team?
Let's say the head coach says he just doesn't have the requisite skill to make the team. You counter that the head coach doesn't understand the disability and so all he needs is some educating on the subject. Nobody is going to want to be a coach under those terms.
If you are thinking strictly in terms of physical disabilities, expand the possibilities. Let's say I have a son with a learning disability, anger management problem, autistic or any number of "qualifying" disorders - Attention deficit......shall the school make accommodation for him when the head coach decides he's not good enough for the team?
Let's say the head coach says he just doesn't have the requisite skill to make the team. You counter that the head coach doesn't understand the disability and so all he needs is some educating on the subject. Nobody is going to want to be a coach under those terms.
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- "I believe politicians should have to go to work in outfits like race car drivers. They should wear jumpsuits with patches of all their sponsors."
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quote:Originally posted by MTH:
I believe RJM's assessment is accurate. This link will take you to the actual memo/interpretation from the Dept. of Education. It is not nearly as radical a change as you might think. Read the examples. I doubt that you will disagree with any of them. I really don't think this will be a major change for the kids currently involved in sports. But, it will hopefully ensure that kids that all kids that have the ability to compete will get the chance.
http://www2.ed.gov/about/offic...eague-201301-504.pdfquote:
What a waste of paper. Say goodby to school sports. Today's budgets can't support them and this meddiling by the Feds and an eventual lawsuit will be the end.
Just look at the examples, they want the rules changed. Track has always used a starter's gun -- now it needs to be visual, putting those who trained with the gun at a disadvantage. What's next -- lowering the hoops for those who are hight challenged? This letter of "clarification" was written by some Federal beurocrate without a clue. The Feds should just stay out of it.