Winston form FSU was named to the preseason All-American 3rd team. WHAT A JOKE.
He hit .235 last season and only threw 27 innings. If that is all you have to do to be an All-American at the division 1 level, then I think Baseball America needs to rethink their criteria.
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He didn't make any All American teams from last year. They are predicting he will this year! Might be a stretch, but Winston was selected to play in the PG (formerly Aflac) All American Game while he was in high school. His talent is obvious, maybe he will have a great year and BA will look like a genius.
One thing to keep in mind regarding BA, is that their Pre-Season All America list is compiled by MLB scouting directors, and a significant portion of their criteria is professional projection, along with talent and performance. For the most part, the 2014 list looks legitimate and shares the same players as other pre-season lists.
There are a few guys on that 3rd team that made me raise my eyebrow but what do I know? Winstons number's as pitcher are pretty good, have no issue with him that way. As a UT? Don't know about that. And as far as the MLB scouting directors, maybe they should make up projection lists and leave College to College guys. Projection at the next level should have no bearing on a college list. All the best to Jameis.
Winston form FSU was named to the preseason All-American 3rd team. WHAT A JOKE.
He hit .235 last season and only threw 27 innings. If that is all you have to do to be an All-American at the division 1 level, then I think Baseball America needs to rethink their criteria.
Winston should have been kicked out of FSU and publicly shamed for his immoral and lewd behaviour.
Michael Jordan tried baseball and lasted a year.
Winston should have been kicked out of FSU and publicly shamed for his immoral and lewd behaviour.
Michael Jordan tried baseball and lasted a year.
Jameis was recruited as a baseball/football guy. I've seen him play several times and he is a legit baseball player. You may want to do some research there. He is no MJ on the baseball field.
As for his behavior, the only 2 people who know what happened are not involved in this thread.
Everyone thinks Michael Jordan was terrible at baseball. He played one year at age 31 after not playing baseball since high school. Not only that, but he played in Double A. He hit over .200 and stole 30 bases. Not spectacular, but I wonder how many 31 year olds out there could do that without having played a game of baseball in well over a decade.
rather than terrible, I think what he did considering everything was amazing! There are a lot of minor leaguers that will never see a AA game.
Winston should have been kicked out of FSU and publicly shamed for his immoral and lewd behaviour.
Michael Jordan tried baseball and lasted a year.
Jameis was recruited as a baseball/football guy. I've seen him play several times and he is a legit baseball player. You may want to do some research there. He is no MJ on the baseball field.
As for his behavior, the only 2 people who know what happened are not involved in this thread.
The police report gave some lurid details. Who would be proud of their son for acting in the same manner?
Everyone thinks Michael Jordan was terrible at baseball. He played one year at age 31 after not playing baseball since high school. Not only that, but he played in Double A. He hit over .200 and stole 30 bases. Not spectacular, but I wonder how many 31 year olds out there could do that without having played a game of baseball in well over a decade.
rather than terrible, I think what he did considering everything was amazing! There are a lot of minor leaguers that will never see a AA game.
...And he was only in AA because of his name.
Everyone thinks Michael Jordan was terrible at baseball. He played one year at age 31 after not playing baseball since high school. Not only that, but he played in Double A. He hit over .200 and stole 30 bases. Not spectacular, but I wonder how many 31 year olds out there could do that without having played a game of baseball in well over a decade.
rather than terrible, I think what he did considering everything was amazing! There are a lot of minor leaguers that will never see a AA game.
I couldn't agree more!
Everyone thinks Michael Jordan was terrible at baseball. He played one year at age 31 after not playing baseball since high school. Not only that, but he played in Double A. He hit over .200 and stole 30 bases. Not spectacular, but I wonder how many 31 year olds out there could do that without having played a game of baseball in well over a decade.
rather than terrible, I think what he did considering everything was amazing! There are a lot of minor leaguers that will never see a AA game.
I'm not sure that is a batting avg I would be bragging about.
I would guess that no 31 yr old would make it to AA not having played in over 10 years unless they had influence.
Although it seems odd, it is understandable. As like2rake already posted, Baseball America's Pre-Season All American Team is based on how a player projects to pro ball. I heard a radio interview Wednesday in which a college baseball reporter was asked about this. Apparently, BA had Jameis Winston ranked as the 59th best pro baseball prospect coming out of high school.
Regarding Michael Jordan, I wonder how many human beings at age 31 after not having played a game of baseball for some 14 years... Could get 2 hits in every 10 ABs in Double A? And also steal 30 bases!
Of course he got there because of who he is, but IMO what he did was amazing. Those aren't high school pitchers in AA.
Btw, Only 2 hitters hit .300 in that same league last year. The third highest batting ave. in the league was .290. Only 5 players had 30 or more SBs and three of those players had 31. Some early draft picks hit .200! and these are guys that have been playing professional baseball for a few year rather than basketball only for the last 14 years.
Surely no one here thinks hitting at that level is easy. It's not the local beer softball league. I think what Jordan did just goes to show what a great athlete he was.
I have not seen him play, he is obviously has some great tools...however from the brief video I have seen of him it seems pretty apparently that his mechanics are not close to his talent. Could he be All American, maybe if he wanted to work on his game - but cmon really? do you think he is going to devote the time needed to get there in baseball now that he is the QB and national champ? he obviously didn't put in the work prior to arrival at FSU to get a good fundamental base…but now when time is more limited than ever, he has more going on off the field than ever and a national title to defend….now he is going to get serious about baseball? I don’t think sounds realistic and would be highly doubtful that it happens.
Again not because it can’t - I just find it very doubtful do to some many other things.
Winston form FSU was named to the preseason All-American 3rd team. WHAT A JOKE.
He hit .235 last season and only threw 27 innings. If that is all you have to do to be an All-American at the division 1 level, then I think Baseball America needs to rethink their criteria.
Winston should have been kicked out of FSU and publicly shamed for his immoral and lewd behaviour.
Michael Jordan tried baseball and lasted a year.
If every kid got thrown out immoral and lewd behaviour...well who would be there to go to college? honestly, i don't and won't defend a rape but he wasn't charged...from there you are now talking about sex between two college kids (happens millions of times a day accorss the world)
I don't know what happpened any more then you do but i don't think your comments are any more fair then assuming the girl was a slut or a whore for being there...
I have not seen him play, he is obviously has some great tools...however from the brief video I have seen of him it seems pretty apparently that his mechanics are not close to his talent. Could he be All American, maybe if he wanted to work on his game - but cmon really? do you think he is going to devote the time needed to get there in baseball now that he is the QB and national champ? he obviously didn't put in the work prior to arrival at FSU to get a good fundamental base…but now when time is more limited than ever, he has more going on off the field than ever and a national title to defend….now he is going to get serious about baseball? I don’t think sounds realistic and would be highly doubtful that it happens.
Again not because it can’t - I just find it very doubtful do to some many other things.
Curious when do multi sports athletes go to clasS?
Difficult while playing one sport but wonder what academic help exists there.
I have not seen him play, he is obviously has some great tools...however from the brief video I have seen of him it seems pretty apparently that his mechanics are not close to his talent. Could he be All American, maybe if he wanted to work on his game - but cmon really? do you think he is going to devote the time needed to get there in baseball now that he is the QB and national champ? he obviously didn't put in the work prior to arrival at FSU to get a good fundamental base…but now when time is more limited than ever, he has more going on off the field than ever and a national title to defend….now he is going to get serious about baseball? I don’t think sounds realistic and would be highly doubtful that it happens.
Again not because it can’t - I just find it very doubtful do to some many other things.
plus he has soooo many more chicks to bang...the kid is gonna be a busy guy and he is going to need some sleep!!
Regarding Michael Jordan, I wonder how many human beings at age 31 after not having played a game of baseball for some 14 years... Could get 2 hits in every 10 ABs in Double A? And also steal 30 bases!
Of course he got there because of who he is, but IMO what he did was amazing. Those aren't high school pitchers in AA.
Btw, Only 2 hitters hit .300 in that same league last year. The third highest batting ave. in the league was .290. Only 5 players had 30 or more SBs and three of those players had 31. Some early draft picks hit .200! and these are guys that have been playing professional baseball for a few year rather than basketball only for the last 14 years.
Surely no one here thinks hitting at that level is easy. It's not the local beer softball league. I think what Jordan did just goes to show what a great athlete he was.
Agreed again! To be honest, I'm a little miffed at the fact that some do not view what Jordan did as impressive. Many guys these days are making the jump to the big leagues dierctly from AA, bypassing AAA.
Let's just say that Jordan was a very average AA player. Considering that he hadn't seen live pitching in over a decade, and he was facing professionals, no less...
The last fastball Michael Jordan saw was 82MPH, and now he's seeing 88-94 regularly, along with secondary stuff. Meanwhile, there are players alongside him that were all-conference, all-American, and so forth, who have spent every day perfecting their craft...only to do no better.
I don't get it.
If MJ efforts were that impressive why did he go back to basketball? Baseball takes more mental strength, IMO, because of the failure involved.
Winston should have been kicked out of FSU and publicly shamed for his immoral and lewd behaviour.
Michael Jordan tried baseball and lasted a year.
Jameis was recruited as a baseball/football guy. I've seen him play several times and he is a legit baseball player. You may want to do some research there. He is no MJ on the baseball field.
As for his behavior, the only 2 people who know what happened are not involved in this thread.
The police report gave some lurid details. Who would be proud of their son for acting in the same manner?
So you don't believe in the American justice system? Would you prefer sharia law? What if someone made up lurid details about your son? Lock him up? You don't know any details. You only know the accusations. It turned out the accusations couldn't be proven.
I told my son to be very careful at college. Some baseball groupie could entice him into bed from a party. Then wake up the next day and decide she was raped because she was drinking.
Winston should have been kicked out of FSU and publicly shamed for his immoral and lewd behaviour.
Michael Jordan tried baseball and lasted a year.
Jameis was recruited as a baseball/football guy. I've seen him play several times and he is a legit baseball player. You may want to do some research there. He is no MJ on the baseball field.
As for his behavior, the only 2 people who know what happened are not involved in this thread.
The police report gave some lurid details. Who would be proud of their son for acting in the same manner?
So you don't believe in the American justice system? Would you prefer sharia law? What if someone made up lurid details about your son? Lock him up? You don't know any details. You only know the accusations. It turned out the accusations couldn't be proven.
I told my son to be very careful at college. Some baseball groupie could entice him into bed from a party. Then wake up the next day and decide she was raped because she was drinking.
You obviously didn't read the police report. I'm talking about the FACTS that Winstons team mates admitted and participated. I find it disgusting. Yes, I believe in second chances for those who admit wrong doing.
I wouldn't always go by admissions made by police harassment. I was once on the receiving end of five hours of in your face accusations and harassment for something I didn't do. The more I said "I don't have any idea what you're talking about" the more vicious and in your face the interrogation became. The police try to tell you what you did, type up a confession and get you to sign. The process is so fatiguing I can understand why people admit to crimes they didn't commit. When the police were done with me and let me go my BP was 270/160. The Winston case didn't even make it to trial.
I wouldn't always go by admissions made by police harassment. I was once on the receiving end of five hours of in your face accusations and harassment for something I didn't do. The more I said "I don't have any idea what you're talking about" the more vicious and in your face the interrogation became. The police try to tell you what you did, type up a confession and get you to sign. The process is so fatiguing I can understand why people admit to crimes they didn't commit. When the police were done with me and let me go my BP was 270/160. The Winston case didn't even make it to trial.
Where was your attorney?
Lets see how he does this spring and revisit this topic.
Without a doubt his name played a part in selection, let's see if it was warranted.
Where was my attorney? I figured as long as they didn't get to me and didn't charge me with anything I didn't need one. I had one answer. I don't know what you're talking about. It was the truth.
Where was my attorney? I figured as long as they didn't get to me and didn't charge me with anything I didn't need one. I had one answer. I don't know what you're talking about. It was the truth.
Now that you have my interest piqued, what were you doing to warrant an interrogation? You can embellish if it will make the story more interesting. 
Where was my attorney? I figured as long as they didn't get to me and didn't charge me with anything I didn't need one. I had one answer. I don't know what you're talking about. It was the truth.
If you asked for an attorney you would not have had to stay there for 5 hrs. You get an attorney before they charge you, and if they didn't have Anything you would have been released earlier.
Where was my attorney? I figured as long as they didn't get to me and didn't charge me with anything I didn't need one. I had one answer. I don't know what you're talking about. It was the truth.
If you asked for an attorney you would not have had to stay there for 5 hrs. You get an attorney before they charge you, and if they didn't have Anything you would have been released earlier.
I would have been released and brought back for questioning with an attorney or charged and had to deal with a rrial. I knew there wasn't any evidence so I dealt with it. Had they pulled evidence out of the blue I would have asked for an attorney. I can't get into the big picture. Its too detailed. But while I recognize we would have anarchy without law enforcement, my situation has caused me have very little respect for law enforcement and our federal government. I'm also very leery of them.
Where was my attorney? I figured as long as they didn't get to me and didn't charge me with anything I didn't need one. I had one answer. I don't know what you're talking about. It was the truth.
If you asked for an attorney you would not have had to stay there for 5 hrs. You get an attorney before they charge you, and if they didn't have Anything you would have been released earlier.
I would have been released and brought back for questioning with an attorney or charged and had to deal with a rrial. I knew there wasn't any evidence so I dealt with it. Had they pulled evidence out of the blue I would have asked for an attorney. I can't get into the big picture. Its too detailed. But while I recognize we would have anarchy without law enforcement, my situation has caused me have very little respect for law enforcement and our federal government. I'm also very leery of them.
That's too bad. Maybe if the attorney was called it would have been a diff situation. i have a brother in law whose a police officer, and while I know some can be over zealous, he is a greAt guy who puts his life on the line everyday to help people. He's a great father, husband, son, and while you may not respect law enforcement I'm sure they'll be there if you ever need to dial 911.
Sorry this got off topic but I guess Winston's reputation will always be connected to his legal situation.
