Winter showcases in cold weather states

Gov posted:

Sounds like your decision worked favorably for your son.  What was the name of this camp?  You said connected to Top 96....

It was Bardo's Collegiate Camp. I found out from the staff that it was affiliated with Top 96, though they didn't advertise that anywhere. It was attended by Arkansas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Wichita State, TCU, Nebraska, Notre Dame, S. Illinois, UT-Arlington, Missouri State, Air Force, Oklahoma St., Utah, Arizona, UALR, Northern Colorado and several D2's and JC's. What surprised me was the amount of contact with the coaches.

roothog66 posted:

Gov posted:

Sounds like your decision worked favorably for your son.  What was the name of this camp?  You said connected to Top 96....

What surprised me was the amount of contact with the coaches.

This is what they do at camps, give instruction and feedback. That's what you are paying for and that is what they are getting paid for to do.  This sounds more like a camp/showcase event not a tournament and yes, they do get direct contact.

TPM posted:

roothog66 posted:

Gov posted:

Sounds like your decision worked favorably for your son.  What was the name of this camp?  You said connected to Top 96....

What surprised me was the amount of contact with the coaches.

This is what they do at camps, give instruction and feedback. That's what you are paying for and that is what they are getting paid for to do.

I know what a camp is. What I meant was the level of contact from D1 coaches who weren't on their campuses. This is technically a quiet period and my son is a sophomore. During a quiet period, TPM, schools aren't allowed face-to-face contact except on-campus. The feedback and interaction came directly from D1 coaches - there is apparently some very narrow exception.

roothog66 posted:

TPM posted:

roothog66 posted:

Gov posted:

Sounds like your decision worked favorably for your son.  What was the name of this camp?  You said connected to Top 96....

What surprised me was the amount of contact with the coaches.

This is what they do at camps, give instruction and feedback. That's what you are paying for and that is what they are getting paid for to do.

I know what a camp is. What I meant was the level of contact from D1 coaches who weren't on their campuses. This is technically a quiet period and my son is a sophomore. During a quiet period, TPM, schools aren't allowed face-to-face contact except on-campus. The feedback and interaction came directly from D1 coaches - there is apparently some very narrow exception.

There are winter camps  and showcases held all over the country this time of year (quiet period) typically hosted by other companies on or off campuses. This was not an exception, D1 coaches are allowed to attend and work the camps and are paid to work. They cannot come to strictly evaluate players for their programs.

Sorry, I know you think I don't know what I am talking about, but thats OK, I am used to others thinking cause I am a mom I have no clue.

From the NCAA website:

The Quiet Period is a restricted time, typically before the National Letter of Intent (NLI) day that prevents a coach from having any off campus viewing or interaction with the athlete and parents.  Here is what is allowed during this NCAA Quiet Period:

• Unofficial Visits
• Official Visits
• Letters
• Emails
• Calls

This isn't in the calendar or website, but is still true:

However, They are allowed to attend camps run by organizations that meet the NCAA compliance regulations.

That, by definition, is an exception to the quiet period rules. I understood the exception, I just wasn't aware until now that it allowed so much contact, especially with underclassmen. Don't play the Mom card. I know you have experience and know things, but please don't be so condescending as to lecture me on what a CAMP is.

The exception is a week in january, nothing else was meant by it.

This is allowed. This is how coaches add to their income. It's about getting around the rule. They cannot go to recruit. They are not supposed to contact you from these camps afterwards. It has nothing to do with what grade the player is in.

Whatever that means!!!!

I have been trying to tell you that.  But as I said, if something comes of this (maybe an invite to their camp or follow your son), that is great. 

I didn't lecture you, you called it a tournament.  My definition of  a tournament must be different.

TPM posted:

The exception is a week in january, nothing else was meant by it.

This is allowed. This is how coaches add to their income. It's about getting around the rule. They cannot go to recruit. They are not supposed to contact you from these camps afterwards. It has nothing to do with what grade the player is in.

Whatever that means!!!!

I have been trying to tell you that.  But as I said, if something comes of this (maybe an invite to their camp or follow your son), that is great. 

I didn't lecture you, you called it a tournament.  My definition of  a tournament must be different.

 

By "tournament" I meant replacing the use of "event" when comparing the showcase to PG. The exception from above isn't anything written by the NCAA. I actually took it from the Top 96 website. The January period you are talking about is the one week dead period in January. The line from Top 96 concerned an event held during a quiet period, not a dead period. I'll admit I was surprised that there was an exception that allowed such contact. The only thing the NCAA listed was the prohibitions listed above. I also hadn't seen anything that says they aren't supposed to contact you from these camps afterwards. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would a coach ever do one of these if that were the case.

Also note, that most "camps" do not provide instruction - at least ones called "Prospect camps" - that's the norm, really.

Edit: It's also hard to say they aren't "recruiting" when there are 15 coaches standing behind the catcher with radar guns.

I think you have entirely missed the point.

Those names bring players. It's about making money, not necessarily a recruiting opportunity.  Maybe a future player needed as a walk on to fill in.

Back to my original point. Off season is for rest.

TPM posted:

I think you have entirely missed the point.

 

Maybe. What was your point?

College coaches frequently work these camps during the winter months. They do make extra money at these events. And the programs that hold them advertise the BIG schools that attend, as every parent knows their kid will be highly sought after by Big State U. 

Now the reality is you want your son associated with the best program that you can find. So that when these camps are held, his travel coaches will be the ones talking to the coaches about your kid. 

And if you think 15 big school coaches crowded around a plate watching a pitcher is great, get your son on the right team that does the right PG tournaments and then you'll really be shaking your head. 

Best of luck to your son as he moves along.