I've noticed a rather substantial number of decommitments the past few days. I believe you are starting to see baseball recruiting mirror football and basketball. It was inevitable with the move to earlier recruiting.
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Out of curiosity, where would one find information on baseball decommits? I assume it is not widely publicized and maybe restricted largely to social media?
Twitter, mainly. PG re-tweets most of the decommits as well as commitments.
Listen, As parent's all we can do is provide a safe environment, direction, training, a roof, food, stability, with our effort! If today's socializing is more important? There you have it ... Perfect! This is the age of entitlement! Where did we go wrong?
roothog66 posted:Twitter, mainly. PG re-tweets most of the decommits as well as commitments.
I've noticed it too from PG. There have been numerous high profile decommits the last few days. The one our Hogs picked up had been committed since his 9th grade year. I think his had tondo with all of the asst coaches leaving.
I was looking through my kids Instagram and noticed a few more 2020 commits. I can probably name close to 20 that are already committed in that class.
Bilal K. Almutasim posted:Listen, As parent's all we can do is provide a safe environment, direction, training, a roof, food, stability, with our effort! If today's socializing is more important? There you have it ... Perfect! This is the age of entitlement! Where did we go wrong?
Bilal, welcome back! I pm'd you.
I wouldn't assume this is all on the kids that committed. I've recently seen a handful of instances where the school pulled the plug on kids recently. But it was reported as a decommitt. If I didn't know the details I probably would have assumed that the kid decommitted. When in reality the school did.
pabaseballdad posted:I wouldn't assume this is all on the kids that committed. I've recently seen a handful of instances where the school pulled the plug on kids recently. But it was reported as a decommitt. If I didn't know the details I probably would have assumed that the kid decommitted. When in reality the school did.
Pretty much all of the ones I've seen were major recruits. Certainly not the quality of player that would have an offer pulled. I don't blame the kids at all. I see it as a natural result of committing kids three to four years out. In the past, baseball coaches tended to honor commitments - once a kid committed, other schools were hands-off. I think that will change. Schools will now, just as with football and basketball, continue to recruit committed kids. One recent example was Hunter Milligan from Greenbrier, AR. he committed to Miss St. before his freshman year of baseball. He just decommitted and committed to Arkansas. Think it might have something to do with MSU's PC changing jobs and going to Arkansas? This is common in other sports and, I think, bound to become common with baseball.
Understood. just stinks either way.
Hard to expect kids and parents to honor commitments when coaches don't. Son's friend recently got a call 18 days before reporting for summer session 2 and told not to show up. Had a signed letter of intent and committed since he was a sophomore.
Obviously he could push it with signed letter but as said on here before who wants to shop up where you aren't wanted.
Wow, really? I'm not saying it's your job to do it here but that sort of behavior should be publicized widely so that families know that coach is not trustworthy.
i feel for the player. He's a good kid and would have had options if they cut him loose prior to signing. Thankfully he landed at a very solid Juco.
d-mac posted:roothog66 posted:Twitter, mainly. PG re-tweets most of the decommits as well as commitments.
I've noticed it too from PG. There have been numerous high profile decommits the last few days. The one our Hogs picked up had been committed since his 9th grade year. I think his had tondo with all of the asst coaches leaving.
I was looking through my kids Instagram and noticed a few more 2020 commits. I can probably name close to 20 that are already committed in that class.
It's been reported by multiple parents that the 14u WWBA at Lakepoint this past week has seen some high profile schools represented there. Once again, most 14u's are 2020's and they have not stepped foot into high school yet!
roothog66 posted:pabaseballdad posted:I wouldn't assume this is all on the kids that committed. I've recently seen a handful of instances where the school pulled the plug on kids recently. But it was reported as a decommitt. If I didn't know the details I probably would have assumed that the kid decommitted. When in reality the school did.
Pretty much all of the ones I've seen were major recruits. Certainly not the quality of player that would have an offer pulled. I don't blame the kids at all. I see it as a natural result of committing kids three to four years out. In the past, baseball coaches tended to honor commitments - once a kid committed, other schools were hands-off. I think that will change. Schools will now, just as with football and basketball, continue to recruit committed kids. One recent example was Hunter Milligan from Greenbrier, AR. he committed to Miss St. before his freshman year of baseball. He just decommitted and committed to Arkansas. Think it might have something to do with MSU's PC changing jobs and going to Arkansas? This is common in other sports and, I think, bound to become common with baseball.
Watch the flips from Alabama State to FIU (some have already happened). HC resigned from ASU to take FIU gig. Most of the commits (his son included) are kids that played for his youth program when he was in Florida. Those kids were committed to him, not the school. Now while this is fine for the kids flipping from ASU to FIU, I wonder how many existing offers to kids at FIU, who want to go to FIU, will change or be pulled to make room for the wave of incoming commits.
Everyone always says to commit to the school, not the staff, but that's simply not the reality, nor will it ever be. Kids commit based on the relationship with the staff during the recruiting process. My son's commitment was swayed by the coaching style and personalities of the staff. Facilities and education were important to him, but not the most important.
This is where earlier NLI's would have both a positive and negative impact. Kids who would have signed for ASU would be locked, even with a coaching change. Kids who would have signed with FIU would be protected. With the current signing periods, it's the wild west. Either way, it would benefit some and hurt others.
CaCO3Girl posted
It's been reported by multiple parents that the 14u WWBA at Lakepoint this past week has seen some high profile schools represented there. Once again, most 14u's are 2020's and they have not stepped foot into high school yet!
We played 4 games at lakepoint and 3 at east Cobb. The only schools that were in attendance were there to see the 17u round Robbin that started the last day of the 14u pool play. I didn't see any schools represented at a 14u games we while there. Not saying they weren't there, just saying the only ones I saw were there for the 17u round robin being played in the late evenings at lakepoint.
bballdad2016 posted:CaCO3Girl posted
It's been reported by multiple parents that the 14u WWBA at Lakepoint this past week has seen some high profile schools represented there. Once again, most 14u's are 2020's and they have not stepped foot into high school yet!
We played 4 games at lakepoint and 3 at east Cobb. The only schools that were in attendance were there to see the 17u round Robbin that started the last day of the 14u pool play. I didn't see any schools represented at a 14u games we while there. Not saying they weren't there, just saying the only ones I saw were there for the 17u round robin being played in the late evenings at lakepoint.
I guess they came in a bit early because I heard from people that on day 1 they were there watching the 14u games. One person did actually asked them what they were doing watching the 14u games and one of the coaches said "I'm just familiarizing myself with the age group".
Granted, we talk about the top 1% getting treated differently and I can guarantee there were some top 1%'ers in attendance at the 14u WWBA at Lakepoint.
As someone who just went trough the whole process the freshman to sophomore and sophomore to Jr years were the ones that saw the highest number of RC's at any given event. This summer, between the kids Jr to Sr year a RC at a game is a rare thing.
Sorry, I have to disagree. While that might be true in your case, it's not that way everywhere.
There were over 150 colleges at the WWBA 17u (2017 grads) just a few weeks ago. These are mostly kids between their junior and senior year. Most of the colleges had 2 or 3 coaches there. Also had more than 100 colleges attend our National Showcase in Ft Myers in June. That event is for players between their junior and senior year. In fact, the biggest scouting events in baseball are those for players of that age (the next year grad class)
Most of those recruiters from the 17u stayed for the 16u. Many stayed for 15 under and some even stayed for 14U.
This doesn't sound like a "New World Order in Recruiting" as the thread implies it sounds more like a freaking reality show with major drama by way of social media. Ridiculous.
For most recruits nothing has changed....the coaches/school have the recruiting leverage through supply & demand of their recruits. Lot of recruits, very few roster spots. Very few recruits have leverage over the coaches/school, and my guess is the recruits that do have leverage over the school are not the ones tweeting because they don't need to. However the ultimate choice is the recruits, and choosing that time to commit is probably more important than ever. The decision to commit publicly and join the social media drama sounds like a really slippery slope that doesn't really materially benefit the recruit in any way.
JMO.
PGStaff posted:Sorry, I have to disagree. While that might be true in your case, it's not that way everywhere.
There were over 150 colleges at the WWBA 17u (2017 grads) just a few weeks ago. These are mostly kids between their junior and senior year. Most of the colleges had 2 or 3 coaches there. Also had more than 100 colleges attend our National Showcase in Ft Myers in June. That event is for players between their junior and senior year. In fact, the biggest scouting events in baseball are those for players of that age (the next year grad class)
Most of those recruiters from the 17u stayed for the 16u. Many stayed for 15 under and some even stayed for 14U.
I didn't get to go to the 17U WWBA, but I have no doubt you speak the truth. In fact we had a player quite the team a week before that tournament, mostly due to the coach, but also for a perceived lack of interest from collages. The talk among the parents was he left right before the one event were there would actually be some RC's.
That said, there was a very noticeable drop off in interest from schools from last year to this (for the 2017 class) at the other events we attended. At some of these tournaments, like the Music City Classic, and the Flames events a problem I see is the fields being scattered all over. Some almost an hours drive away. But the organization the kid plays for runs events for one of the biggest complexes in the mid-west. Over 20 fields all within walking distance of one another. Last year it was a sea of clipboards and radar guns behind home plate. This year you were lucky if there were 4 or 5 RC's at any given game.