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New NFHS DH rule
Here is the new DH rule from NFHS: The change to Rule 3-1-4 now allows the starting designated hitter to also be a starting defensive player. Utilizing this option, the player has two positions: defensive player and designated hitter. The team would begin the game with nine starters -- nine defensive players -- one of whom also assumes the role of the designated hitter. Myself and none of my coaches have ever had experience with the DH in this role. We are still having a problem seeing how...
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VirginiaPitchCount.com
USA Baseball, MLB, and ASMI are now teamed up on a program called PitchSmart. Perhaps NFHS will propose some national standard for High Schools. As a last resort, state legislation might be in order. Check out VirginiaPitchCount.com...
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Simplest example I can see is that you have a pitcher who is also a top hitter. He reaches pitch count limit or becomes ineffective, he can be replaced as pitcher while still being the DH. Works the same at any other position. Whoever is designated as the DH (while also playing a defensive position, which is not required), can be replaced at either DH or defensive position by another player. Dinger Doug is your shortstop/dh for the night. Makes 5 errors in first four innings but is killing...
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FL has a P/DH which is essentially what 2020TXCATCH describes. The one caveat is once the P/DH comes out of the game as a P and assumes the DH role, he cannot reenter the game defensively. You have to decide before the game that you want to use a P/DH and cannot use a DH for someone else. https://www.fhsaa.org/sites/de...ode-3257/dh_rule.pdf Unlike the scenario above where the SS is playing like Ozzie, but swinging like Harriet you cannot decide in the 6th inning you want that position to be...
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Gotta ask ... how does that impact the re-entry rules? Using the previous example... If Dinger Doug is replaced at SS but remains the DH ... then is substituted as the DH in the 5th... is he eligible to reenter as DH? A case can be made that answer is NO since he was already substituted for once at SS. That moving to DH was his reentry. Will be interesting how this is presented at interp meetings.
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Why would you designate a ?/DH and then at some point in time replace the DH? Is the replacement a better hitter? I think the answer becomes "just like" replacing a DH in the lineup normally, but you definitely have a point. Still the rule indicates a player has 2 positions at one time. The ? is a player/position to be named later, while the DH is the same. Normally, if you had DH for 4, then in the 3rd substituted using DH2, the DH still has eligibility to return (as would 4). With the P/DH...
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So if one of your position players is the DH to start the game....would you only have 8 hitters in the line-up??
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You have to designate the DH before the game starts and that can be any of the 9 fielding positions/DH. The player can be replaced as a fielder but remain as a hitter as he is now a DH for the replacement. It has been in place for several years in the summer and even some HS leagues recognized it. mentally you have think about it as a player on the lineup is a hitter and a fielder. If there is no DH designated, then all 9 fielders are hitting for themselves. If there is a DH designated, then...
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You can see from the attached, I hope. You can replace Jess as Pitcher or DH and he can stay at the other position under the rules I have played. If he is pulled as a pitcher, he will still hit in the 9 hole but whoever comes in to pitch will not hit.
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Thanks! Starting to make sense now. Please check this to see if I've got it..... So the DH in this new rule is not hitting for someone else at the beginning of the game. They would only be hitting for someone else when they are removed from playing the field and they would then hit for their defensive sub. The initial line-up has 9 players in it, one of whom is going to be a DH later in the game. Is this correct?????
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Thanks Seeing it helps... If Tommy comes in as a pitcher ... Tommy does not bat and Jess remains as the DH. If Tommy comes in as a DH .... Jess can no longer bat but remains as a pitcher. So in theory ... Jess can be substituted for twice. Now say Jess pitches 1st and 2nd...then is replaces as P by Tommy. Jess is now DH only. In the 3rd after Jess bats... he is replaced by George. Jess can reenter the game. In the 6th he reenters. He can come back as the P only and George remains DH... Tommy...
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Close but if I read it right you are wrong in the end. He can only re-enter for one position either fielding or hitting. But you are right that if Tommy and George are subbed for then they are dead. But Jess can only re-enter for one of them. Jason could enter for the other. I hope this makes sense.
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Re: VirginiaPitchCount.com
I like the website, like the idea as a whole. One thing I have an issue with is that a player cannot catch and pitch in the same game. A lot of teams use catchers as a late reliever and I have no issue with that as long as it is monitored
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Originally Posted by wahoo24: I like the website, like the idea as a whole. One thing I have an issue with is that a player cannot catch and pitch in the same game. A lot of teams use catchers as a late reliever and I have no issue with that as long as it is monitored I would prefer a rule that states that no catcher can pitch in the same game. That would be a lot easier to enforce.
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Why do you have different rules for post season? Dose the kids arm need less rest than regular season. If this is for safety and regulating protection you cannot justify a change for the post season.
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Would you really support pitch counts at the high school elvel based on age? I can see having different charts for varsity and jv, but not between a 16yo and 17yo. That would also be difficult to enforce.
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We are in favor of the PitchSmart initiative. Our main goal is to educate parents and coaches. They are the ones that control things.
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In the proposal I made to the VHSL a couple of years ago I went by JV and Varsity for the pitch count just to keep it more simple. But then you get the counter argument about using age - which is actually more valid. JV and Varsity was just an accommodation. Post Season exceptions were because of the number of games in a short period of time. Agree it would be best to keep the standard regardless. I would rather lengthen the season to accommodate but most would disagree. It's a compromise.
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Originally Posted by PGStaff: We are in favor of the PitchSmart initiative. Our main goal is to educate parents and coaches. They are the ones that control things. Parents don't control anything in the VHSL - we aren't even allowed to be members. Parent is a dirty word to many coaches - our HS coach was an exception.
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One man's observation: Player plays for his high school team. He's a pitcher. Player also receives "lessons" from a former pro. Player "takes lessons" once a week. How do you supervise that? That issue is completely out of the jurisdiction of what occurs on the playing field through VHSL sanctioned games, yet it does not keep the player from throwing extra bullpens. In my observation, this is most often driven by the parents, not the player. Further, to get any meaningful work done, and "get...
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Originally Posted by GoHeels: One man's observation: Player plays for his high school team. He's a pitcher. Player also receives "lessons" from a former pro. Player "takes lessons" once a week. How do you supervise that? That issue is completely out of the jurisdiction of what occurs on the playing field through VHSL sanctioned games, yet it does not keep the player from throwing extra bullpens. In my observation, this is most often driven by the parents, not the player. Further, to get any...
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Originally Posted by granbyfan: Why do you have different rules for post season? Dose the kids arm need less rest than regular season. If this is for safety and regulating protection you cannot justify a change for the post season. Agree 1000%.
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Originally Posted by RickF: Originally Posted by GoHeels: One man's observation: Player plays for his high school team. He's a pitcher. Player also receives "lessons" from a former pro. Player "takes lessons" once a week. How do you supervise that? That issue is completely out of the jurisdiction of what occurs on the playing field through VHSL sanctioned games, yet it does not keep the player from throwing extra bullpens. In my observation, this is most often driven by the parents, not the...
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Are there regulations as to how many hits a player can take during the week practicing for football prior to game day? Can a player only be hit a certain amount of times in a game before he has to be pulled? Can a wrestler only be slammed a certain amount of times before he has to stop wrestling for the day? My thing is this: A player throws and a coach coaches. If the coach cannot properly manage the players pitch count and/or arm durability, maybe he shouldn't be a coach. There should be a...
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Scoring spectator interference?
I tend to insist there are 7 ways for a batter to reach 1st base (hit, walk, error, fielders choice, hit-by-pitch, dropped 3rd, obstruction). A buddy of mine showed me a list of " 23 ways to reach 1st base " and at first I said that all of them are one of the seven. But suppose a spectator rushes onto the field just as a batter hits the ball for what would be a single, and plows into the batter-runner, knocking him down. Of course, immediate dead ball (5-2-1-c) and the umpire can place him...
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I was curious and pulled out my NFHS rule book. My interpretation is to score it as a hit based on rule 9-4-2. A. It's a fair hit and doesn't meet any of the exceptions listed And because B and C do not come into play here. Thinking logically, the batter did not reach on an error (in other words would have been a put out) so he should get credited with a hit. In this year's book on page 68 it further defines spectator interference as any impedence to the game and in the base awards table...
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So that leads to a different question - if a spectator runs onto the field at the batter-runner, and the B-R lowers his shoulder and maliciously takes out the spectator, is that malicious contact or just another "clean hit".
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If the batter-runner gets hit en route to 1b, gotta score it a hit If he knocks the assailant out cold give him a 10, perfect score.
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Really short answer - who cares.... Invoke 4-3 via 10-2-3(e) and leave. Let the state association handle sorting out what happens next. I'm still trying to picture the parent / spectator that's fast (stupid) enough to accomplish running onto the field and into the BR path. How many world class sprinters (or perhaps professional defensive linemen in the NFL) spend their afternoon / evenings at a HS baseball field (and would do such a thing). Unrelated, but if you've been to your child's HS or...
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(note, this is NFHS rules not OBR) From my "interpretation", an error is charged whenever a fielder's misplay prolongs an AB (9-5-5). Therefore, the fielder IS charged with an error. However, 9-3-2 which defines a base hit being credited only calls out: "A base hit is credited to a batter when the batter advances to first base safely: (a) because of the batter's fair hit (rather than because of a fielder's error)." For the pitcher, 9-6-3 would call it out as unearned because if you walk it...
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Since folks are talking scoring - how would this get scored batter, fielder, and pitcher.... 1st batter up...hits foul pop-up...1B parks underneath and proceeds to drop the ball. Next pitch batter hits one out for a home run. I have heard how it should be scored but have zero official knowledge so asking to confirm (I use it as a trivia question).