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ACT & SAT PREP
Ran into an interesting article and website today, and rather than hijack NYCT's thread I thought I'd give it its own. It's not like we're sizzling with activity here. Article: http://www.vox.com/2016/1/8/10.../sat-tutor-expensive He's got an interesting take on how much prep helps and why it doesn't work when it doesn't work. His thesis is that there's nothing mysterious about SAT and ACT and that any kid can do well if he/she studies what is tested. Key points: Few understand that the SAT...
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Engineering Schools with Baseball
Son is a senior and a lot of looks from liberal arts schools but he is studying engineering. Excellent grades (2160 SAT) great bat, good corner and mid 80 right pitching. Has been very difficult to find the right match between academics and baseball. He is not D1 talent. Also, trying to stay somewhat south because he had options in Boston but that was not of interest. Are there any schools we may have missed. With his grades he is not going Junior College and want a good academic school. He...
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Attend a HF Camp Before Taking SAT/ACT?
I'm wondering whether it's wise to send a 2019 RHP/OF to a HF showcase next summer before Junior year and before he has taken the SAT/ACT. Background: He touched 83 last Spring as a Freshman (hasn't been gunned since) and ran a 6.88 60YD this Fall. Haven't yet attended a PG showcase but considering the one-day this Feb in NJ to get that process started. Doing well in HS so far (4.1 GPA) and took the PSAT (no results as of this post). But if the competitive schools attending HF want to know...
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Based on my 2017's experience, I would say HF is more about the academic record you present on the application, which then goes to the coaches who are working the camp. Certainly your 2019's GPA would attract some attention, and if he throws well he may get some value out of it. But from what I saw at the June session in Sacramento, the vast majority of schools are academic D3's and they do not really start recruiting until a kid's Senior year. I think they figure if your son is really good...
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With a 2018 who went to the Nov HF camp and has been to a PG showcase I'll throw out a few things: At HF, college coaches beyond HPY were continuing to piece together 2017's. HPY, Duke, Vandy were focused on 2018 Pitchers throwing 86+. If you were a big position player with strong measurables and a good first ACT you were noticed. But the attention for 2018's was on pitching. If you look on PG, check out the few commits from class of 2018 for H & Y and look at their ACT scores. If a 2018...
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I think all high academic kids should take the SAT very early, and a 4.1 GPA qualifies as that. I had all three of my student athletes take the SAT as freshman. The recruiting process is as much an elimination process as a selection process. If your 4.1 gets an equivalent SAT than you can eliminate many schools that are academically below his ability. Also the more you take the SAT the more comfortable you are with the test. There is no downside as if the scores are not what you like you...
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Should your son attend HF at all? Only if the schools on his vetted list will be there. If the answer is "yes", then by all means your son can (and maybe, should) attend as a rising Junior even without SAT/ACT scores. And yes, the PSAT is a reasonable proxy for the SAT, though many kids improve their scores. This may be obvious, but I'll add that attending any showcase or camp for purposes of college recruiting, not just HF, should be driven by fit, i.e., will the schools on your son's...
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100% agree with every word Compare posted. If your son is truly going to get the value that HF provides, then putting his best academic foot forward at the right time can separate him from others in a very competitive high academic recruiting environment. In addition, the SAT and ACT scores are academic separators for many HF schools. Some of these schools are incredibly selective with single digit acceptance rates. If your son knows his SAT/ACT numbers in advance, he'll then know where to...
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After hearing from a friend that a test prep "bootcamp" raised her kid's test score significantly, I decided to have my son do the same. After spending around $600 for 4 sessions, he got his lowest scores of the 3 times he took it. I am not saying tutoring isn't helpful to some because clearly it is...but in our experience it wasn't helpful. It was a hard $600 to swallow.
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I paid $1,000 for SAT tutoring for my son. The instructor guaranteed his score would increase 100 points (math and English) or he would refund the money. One hundred points can make a big difference. My son shot up 175.
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Our son took the ACT the end of sophomore year to get a baseline score without any prep. He took the ACT again junior year after studying on his own with a test prep book, and received a score two points higher than the first time. Senior year he took a test prep class, and was able to improve his score by five points. In our experience, ACT test prep was very helpful.
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Because the SAT will change so dramatically, past experience with SAT prep classes are not comparable. (The old SAT could be gamed using tricks taught in those classes.) S had signed up and even attended a few weeks of the SAT prep before he took the ACT. He prepped for the ACT himself using ACT books purchased from the local bookstore. Got the score needed on the ACT and dropped the SAT class. D used the same ACT prep books and got the same score. Both took the first ACT offered in their...
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JCG - I agree with the "great scores" statement above for regular students in almost all cases. However in the context of high academic athletic recruiting (which I think your son is considering) I think hitting the minimum board score should not be the goal. There is much more to it than that. Not only is your son's baseball skills being recruited but his board scores as well. Better scores gives the coach and athletic program more flexibility with regard to other recruits, and that should...
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FWIW: The vast majority of college-bound seniors will not be heading to a high academic college or Ivy. So the following comment is for those students. Once you have taken both the PSAT and the PLAN, usually in 10th grade, you will know which of the two standardized tests to take again. Test prep is, essentially, practice taking a timed test and importantly, review of material you studied a few years back. Test prep is only as useful as the time the student takes to do the real...
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My neighbor's son did a two week ACT boot camp and took his score from a 31 to a 34. They spent $500 and probably got a 50k bump in scholarship money. For the schools he was looking at, that 3 point jump was huge for them.
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Re: Engineering Schools with Baseball
I assume he is a 2017. Rose-hulman (Indiana I believe) is one of the country's premier engineering schools. Ratio of men/women skewed a bit. If he wants a path which ends in a great job - though the school is in the northeast - the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy (low end D3) in King's Point could be an option (or, even the other service academies [though those are D1)). Many D3s have 3-2 engineering programs which may or may not interest him. Are you sure he isn't D1? His velo could be fine -...
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DKRAUS, As you are discovering, there is no easy button when it comes to baseball and engineering.....in my experience there will be trade offs and/or compromises. It sounds to me like you've discovered this. First, in our experience there were a lot more options in the Northeast however those are mostly private schools. The southern schools that had engineering were mostly large state schools and therefore D1 schools. So when you say south exactly what do you mean? Southeast, southwest?
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In D3, Washington and Lee, Trinity (Tx) are the ones that come to mind that have engineering. Many others in D3 have 3/2 or 4/1 programs.
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Rose-Hulman, While not really south is located in Terre Haute Indiana. So I would not consider it north east, more mid west. If you can live with Ohio weather there is also Ohio Northern. Their baseball team is full of Engineering Majors. If you want warm weather check out Harvey Mudd College. It is one of the Claremont schools and combines with other colleges to form the Claremont - Mudd - Scripps baseball team. https://www.hmc.edu/ http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/bsb/index And if your...
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I sent you a PM DKraus, look at the upper right hand of your screen and click on your name and look for "Private Messages".
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How about D2? UCSD - high academic, top engineering school, D2 baseball.
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Thanks for all the input. CalTech had contacted him, he was concerned about the "whole" college experience as their student body was only 1000 kids. He is a 2016 grad but i thought that if there was a school that wanted him he could get in despite not applying (i guess i might be wrong here). We had talked to RoseHulman but believe it or not we were too late - they had capped admissions. He has been accepted to Texas A&M (obviously just academics) but just seeing if we've missed...
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What about Harvey Mudd? Small school, but not really as it's part of one community with the other Claremont colleges. I believe we have a user whose son is headed there soon, so he may chime in.
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Some good feedback already. There are a lot of options, from the more technically oriented schools (e.g., RPI, Rose Hulman, CalTech, Florida Institute of Technology, et.al.) to colleges with more limited engineering offerings (e.g., Trinity TX, Trinity CT, Lafayette, et.al.). As a former electrical engineering major and a hiring manager of thousands of engineers over time, I'll add that computer science can be an awesome path too, and one that is more widely available including at many...
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Your son is a 2016 like mine. HM is not an option at this point. My son was verbaled there contingent upon getting through admissions. He ended up not getting admitted even when he was on the coaches supported list. UCSD is also done with their recruiting except for maybe a stud pitcher. They too have already sent out their admissions. My son like yours will be majoring in engineering. He was accepted into some very good schools UCLA, UCSD as well as AF Academy. Wherever he goes he will...
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Standballdad makes a good point. It's late! BTW my eldest is an engineering student at UCSB and he has friends who play club baseball at both his school and Cal Poly and love it. That's another way to stay in the game.
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You pretty much have everyone that was on my son's list. UCSD is likely not an option due to cost and lack of scholarship $$ since you are out of state. It looks like you are from San Antonio and likely Trinity is too close to home but they have an amazing new engineering facility, which you are probably aware of. If my son got into Cal Tech I would highly encourage him to go there, that is a life changing school. It is possible to get into Mudd by going to Claremont and keeping a min 3.0 in...
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My son is a 2017, but otherwise sounds like an almost identical situation for him lies ahead. Will graduate as 17 year old, so he is at a bit of a disadvantage physically. Almost 6' tall but struggles to stay above 170. He is positive he wants to do mechanical engineering, so we've gone through the same search for engineering schools that have baseball programs that are not part of the elite D1s, and then expanded to D2 (where we have found few matches beyond UC-San Diego) and D3. One site I...
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I had suspected it was late at this point, just thought i'd throw it out there for any last ideas. He will likely try walking on or playing club ball. His academics are top priority.
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It's really late for acceptance to college. At this point any interested D3 would tell your son, sure walk on. It's a crap shoot. The coach has already recruited the six to eight studs he was looking for. You might want to consider club baseball at Texas A&M. Club teams don't travel as far as varsity programs. Homework and grades is more of a priority than baseball. At a school like Texas A&M the team might be a bunch of players who tried to walk on or washed out of the program and...
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Just an update on UCSD potentially moving to D1: http://www.sandiegouniontribun...division-one-change/
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Trine in Angola, Indiana, is another engineering D3. It's about 30 minutes from Fort Wayne, 1 hour Toledo and 1 1/2 hours from Detroit. A lot of guys on the baseball team are studying either Engineering or Business.
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Another couple thoughts as you are considering southern D3 engineering schools: 1) You can use this tool to generate your list. http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/ I just used it based on the information you provided, and as expected it is slim plickings. You may want to expand your geography beyond the south which is exactly what my son did a bunch of years ago. He grew up in Virginia but ended up going to school in the northeast. 2) You'll want to verify the college's engineering...
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Thanks for all the input has been very helpful his select coach wants him to play college ball but also knows finding the right mix w academics is important and he continues to get looks on field level; at this point its really in gods hands
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They definitely ought to do it, as it would be enhance the school's national profile. But asking a notoriously nerdy, academics-only student body to pony up another $495 fee per year to finance the change, this on top of an already rapidly climbing cost of attendance? Not. Going. To. Happen.
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"In 2011, the university funded a $28,000 study on the feasibility of moving to Division I." Wth?
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Do you happen to know how many scholarships they currently fund?
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Swarthmore has a 4 year engineering degree with a strong emphasis on software. Lehigh would be a good baseball fit at mid-80's. Why no D1 interest at mid-80's?
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I do not. But it's a tough school to get into, and in-state tuition is less insane than privates, so I'm sure many families would be happy with a minimal offer.
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I'd think that Bucknell and Lafayette would be worth a try too, but the kid's a 2016, so....
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Leftyshortstop - i am by no means an expert at this, we had always simply hoped he would play highschool ball and gradually realized he's pretty good. In my experience the D1s with good engineering programs won't look at a pitcher unless he's touching 90 as a righty. Lefties is another story. The funny thing is we've always thought of him as a pitcher but his bat is incredible; 3 for 5 last night, a home run and 5 rbis with exit velocity of low 90's. Swarthmore had contacted him earlier this...
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Sounds like my son's long lost twin brother and I feel your pain. If you find any such school taking applications after the deadlines have passed, please let me know. Same boat.
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I'll second bishopleftysdad with regard to Ohio Northern. Great engineering school and good baseball program. HC has pitched in the MLB world series. It's definitely not a southern school, so the crappy spring weather may take some getting used to but could be a fit for your son.
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Reviving the thread for yet more engineering/baseball questions... I'm trying to provide guidance for a player interested in engineering (of which I know far too little). He is a 2017 here in California, not getting D1 interest but will be a solid player at another level. He is getting JC interest. My question is this... is JC even a feasible option for an engineering major that doesn't want to spend unnecessary years in college?
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To answer this question, I think we'd have to know more specifically what type of Engineering he is interested in (Mechanical, Electrical, Systems, Computer, Industrial, the list goes on an on ...). Most larger schools have good programs in each of these, but some smaller schools may have very good programs in one or more as well.