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Re: If an incoming junior opts for a gap year, does he retain the three years of eligibility granted by the NCAA during this C19 time?

adbono ·
I doubt it as once the clock starts you have 5 years to play 4. I would assume a gap year would be seen the same as a redshirt year, which would leave 2 years of eligibility. Rick at Informed Athlete would be a good person to ask. Shoot him a PM
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Re: If an incoming junior opts for a gap year, does he retain the three years of eligibility granted by the NCAA during this C19 time?

TerribleBPthrower ·
Is he taking a gap year just for baseball? Is there an academic reason for the gap?
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Re: If an incoming junior opts for a gap year, does he retain the three years of eligibility granted by the NCAA during this C19 time?

adbono ·
I have little confidence that things will be anywhere close to normal. LSU HC Paul Manieri said he thought one third of the 300 current D1 baseball programs would not survive this ordeal. Hard to imagine that but he would know better than most. Attrition will hit D2 & D3 programs too. For many kids there literally will be no place to play.
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smokeminside ·
my oldest might be one of them. Rising senior. He doesn’t really want to go back at all if things aren’t normal. Taking classes on line from a campus dorm room seems nuts to him. He’s smarter than I am, so I’m paying attention.
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Go44dad ·
Probably. It's like The Oprah Winfrey show for current college players. "You get another year of eligibility! You get a year! You get a year! You get a year! Everybody gets a year!"
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adbono ·
Covid19 is going to cause the end of a lot of kids playing careers - for one reason or another. Hope you can figure something out that works for you.
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ABSORBER ·
While all learning will be "remote", Harvard is bringing up to 40% of undergrads on-campus. Preference to first-years and students who need to be on campus to "progress academically". Princeton welcoming first-years and juniors to campus. Not sure how this will affect sports. We will have a better idea tomorrow when the Ivy League announces the fate of all Fall sports.
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fenwaysouth ·
Lots to think about here. Lots of "ifs". From my viewpoint it starts with the individual, their family and situation. If I'm putting my oldest son in this situation, I know he would have been fine with distance learning because of the way he learns. I think a lot of this is about how does your kid learn and what is he/she comfortable with. For example, I had to go to class to reinforce the lessons in the books. My son is very different. Once you get past that education hurdle then it is onto...
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Re: If an incoming junior opts for a gap year, does he retain the three years of eligibility granted by the NCAA during this C19 time?

Gov ·
Neither - just a high probability of online classes during the entire school year and spring sports also being canceled. Princeton looking seriously... son may do some classes online, stay home, work out. Some of these schools will be trying to put the kabash on any party's, taking the downtime fun out of being at school. Sons same year teammates thinking sameway. We shall see.... Wouldn't be surprised if NCAA does an adjustment for 6 years to play 4 for the affected classes, then revert...
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Gov ·
Good point Mid...yes, son at D3 NESCAC school. I actually forgot about using semester vs calendar years.
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adbono ·
I can’t speak for Manieri but I imagine he is anticipating a prolonged effect of Covid19, a drop in enrollment due to online classes (leading to a drop in revenue), pressure on athletic departments to reduce budgets, and the increasing doubts as to whether revenue generating sports (football & basketball) will get their seasons played in 2020.
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Re: If an incoming junior opts for a gap year, does he retain the three years of eligibility granted by the NCAA during this C19 time?

MidAtlanticDad ·
The lax player's situation is definitely a good one for Rick. The Ivy League's normal policy limits undergrads to the first 4 years of enrollment. Do they normally allow a gap in those first 4 years? Your son is playing D3 baseball, right? You probably know this, but D3 (and D2) uses full-time semester, not calendar years, so I would think he could take the gap year and come back with his full compliment of seasons intact (assuming no overriding school or conference rules).
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Smitty28 ·
I'm curious as to why this would be the case. Assuming the reason is financial, most baseball programs are money losers in the best of years. Thoughts?
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TerribleBPthrower ·
That stinks. I'd hate for my son to be stuck in that situation. His prep school announced a month ago they'd have an on-campus and remote option. They confirmed it again last week.
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roothog66 ·
You'll find a lot of your answers here: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.c..._COVID-19QAGuide.pdf
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roothog66 ·
I believe, if I'm reading correctly that the 5 year clock is extended for those affected by the 2020 season. This would be true for say a 2020 red shirt freshman who would now have 6 years to complete 4. Not sure about an athlete who takes a red shirt year AFTER 2020, though.
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3and2Fastball ·
So many angles to look at these days... more than ever, it is difficult to predict the future. My 2021 is about to start his Senior of high school, and is currently being recruited by 4 different D3 schools. A few have asked him to come in for official visits in September. It is tough to know which way to go, other than the obvious of “go where you are loved”. Maybe: go where you are loved at a school where the Baseball program will likely still be in existence in 2022?
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ABSORBER ·
Yes, I imagine we’ll find out in the next week or so once the Ivy announces today. Other schools are following the reduced on-campus presence as well. This is to ensure adequate housing for quarantining should it become necessary. Not sure whether schools will allow athletes to choose when they attend but it makes sense to select the term that most closely matches your sport. Of course that means less “off-season” work (like Fall baseball workouts). I suppose if Ivy announces the...
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Re: If an incoming junior opts for a gap year, does he retain the three years of eligibility granted by the NCAA during this C19 time?

fenwaysouth ·
ABSORBER, Yes, I read the 40% undergrad on campus in another article last night after I posted yesterday. I actually like this policy a lot (despite it being Harvard ) as it gives some undergrads a better chance to succeed based on how they learn. Again, people learn differently. My two oldest kids see or hear something one time and they don't forget it. I don't have that gift. What will be interesting is how Harvard allocates that 40%, and do athletes figure into that 40%. As for Princeton,...
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anotherparent ·
With sports, it's kind of like the Cornell model. If baseball players aren't allowed on campus in the fall, then they will have to train somewhere at home, where they are just as likely (or maybe more likely) to get sick than if they are at their own school, being tested regularly, etc. I'm pretty sure these schools aren't thinking about athletes at all. I do hope that they are watching what is happening at the big football schools right now, there are some well-publicized cases of virus,...
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fenwaysouth ·
3and2Fastball, What is obvious to some is not always obvious to others. You know the HSBBWeb mantra of "go where you are loved" but some of our newer posters may not. Based on the PMs I've had recently , I think you'll see many people put much more emphasis on academics because athletics is no longer a given at many non-athletic scholarship D1 HAs, HA D3s and D3s in general. Additionally, I think you'll see many folks try to stick closer to home given the opportunity in this uncertainty. JMO.
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College commitment after playing WWBA

JaydenCS2021 ·
I know the NCAA has pushed recruitment dates until Jan of 2021. My 2021 who is not committed to any college (talking to a couple but have not seen him play) will be playing in WWBA this Oct. My question is has anyone had luck committing to a college after playing WWBA and how long before they contacted you? Thank you.
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keewart ·
Jayden, have your son email all the coaches he is in contact with and tell them he will be there at the WWBA event. Then follow up again when you have the game times and fields. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain at this point. Add in some fresh D3s if you wish, with the baseball "resume". Good luck!
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RJM ·
Probably the only roster spots available at this point for a ‘21 are at D3s. This isn’t what WWBA events are typically for. A player would be better off at an academic event or event local to the area he’s looking to be recruited.
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adbono ·
I wouldn’t expect anything to happen as a result of attending this event - especially this year. The exception MIGHT be if a your son is being recruited by a school that has coaches at the event AND they are there specifically to see him play. A position player has to play out of his mind to get attention from a school that didn’t already have him on their radar before the event. Most competitive D1 & a lot of better D2 schools are basically done with 2021 recruiting in this part of the...
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Confusion

2025prospect ·
Note* I understand I am still too young to be recruited, these questions are just to clarify my confusion. These questions are not to get myself recruited at this time. Hopefully the answers I get can help me understand the recruiting process for later. * I also understand that a Verbal means nothing 1. Early Commitments. I understand that the NCAA prohibits coaches from contacting students before September 1st of their junior year. How do kids commit as 8th graders, freshmen and sophomore...
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22and25 ·
As explained, recruit initiated phone contact is permissible regardless of age or dead period. As for the mechanics of kids being recruited at 16u and below, these players have stand out tools already plus a lot of projection left. They typically already shine regionally if not nationally with well known travel teams. The big clubs, both regional and national, are in regular contact with the college coaches. It’s in both the college coach’s and the travel club’s best interest to network...
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DanJ ·
Lots of good responses here already, but I'll add a little as well. 1. Early Commitments. These guys have been seen early one way or another (travel teams, showcases, camps, etc) and when being seen, they showed prospective coaches something really good (their performance, their measurables, their frame/size, etc.) right then and there. It was good enough at that time that the coach either thought: A) this kid is "there" or B) he will be "there" by the time he gets to me - projectability. 2.
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RJM ·
What matters is the coaches who see you and know you either have contacts or can convince those with contacts in other parts of the country to recommend you. Chances are if coaches from the program in other parts of the country are willing to make a recommendation the college coach will speak to your coach. Be more concerned with who your coaches know. My son’s travel coach told college coaches about players who never expressed an interest in certain programs. He recommended them to college...
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RJM ·
It’s good to be loaded up with information. So, never be afraid to ask any question. If you’re a D1 prospect chances are you know it. Someone knowledgeable in the game is telling you you’re a D1 prospect. Travel teams that funnel players to D1 programs will be recruiting you. It’s always possible a D1 prospect drifts down to D2 or D3. There’s overlap in talent levels. Sometimes the player realizes he’s not going past college ball and the smaller program is a better academic fit. For non D1...
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Smitty28 ·
A verbal offer is one man's promise to another, as is a verbal commitment. It isn't legally binding, but it means a lot more than nothing. I don't think a verbal offer or a verbal commitment is given lightly in baseball (football may be a different story altogether). The vast majority of offers and commitments that I've seen have been honored, with the exceptions being a change of head coach, obvious lack of development of an early recruit, or a kid who was a flake. Much more common is a...
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CTbballDad ·
I stand corrected and highly impressed at your writing ability at such a young age. Props to you. Unfortunately, when it comes time for you to email coaches, you might need make some adjustments, as your written words come across quite advanced for your age. Keep up the good work!
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2025prospect ·
Gotcha. Thanks for the tip too. Thinking about it now, it can come across as if a parent was writing it for me. Appreciate the tip
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PTWood ·
To add, generally a commitment does mean that specifics have been discussed and agreed upon about the financial support being provided by the baseball program (i.e. The offer). It is a gentleman’s agreement until the National Letter of Intent is signed in November of a player’s senior year in High School. During COVID, coaches are relying even more on video and assessments of travel coaches/scouts.
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baseballhs ·
Coaches can’t call kids. Coaches can call travel or hs coaches and ask that a kid call them. They can talk everyday if the kid calls the coach. Coaches have eyes everywhere. Someone may attend an event, take video for a coach and send it to them. There are ways around the rules and all the coaches use them.
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TPM ·
@2025prospect I do apologize for not responding to your pm better than I did. You have received some good info to build on. Just keep working hard on skills and in the classroom.
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22and25 ·
Does the current club have a “National Team” or “Premier Team” at each age group where they funnel the best talent to compete in large regional or national events?
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adbono ·
Do a search for previous threads about recruiting. You will find more information than you requested.
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CTbballDad ·
@Prospect2025 when your dad sends emails to coaches on your behalf tell him to not be so obvious.
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PitchingFan ·
I was not RJM, not smart enough to know back then. I should have been because I was giving leads to a lot of scouts in North Ga. I also continued to get phone calls when we moved to Tennessee from guys weekly including when I stopped umpiring regularly and my boys were playing varsity baseball.
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PTWood ·
https://community.hsbaseballwe...89#67612830685228789 Yes. They feed info into MLB scouts. This past year some colleges also tapped into the MLB scout network since they were unable to hit the road themselves. Hopefully this spring college coaches will be able to hit the road again.
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keewart ·
Not too much more to add, and not necessarily answering your questions, but here goes: 1) baseballhs mentioned that coaches have eyes everywhere. Play every game as if someone is watching . If you are in podunk cornfield Georgia, play as if someone is watching. There was a post years ago about a player that got referred to a college coach from an umpire that the coach had a relationship with. (btw, son got his first serious look from the coach of his college in podunk cornfield Georgia).
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RJM ·
Were you an associate scout? I’ve known, and known of umpires and coaches who are associate scouts. For those who may not know an associate scout gets paid when he submits information on a player to his affiliated team and that team drafts and signs him. Otherwise, he’s not paid.
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PitchingFan ·
When I was umpiring high school ball, a bunch of scouts showed up to watch a pitcher for one team and a rf strong hitter on the other at a summer game the week before draft. Before the game, I was talking to several pro scouts I knew and they were asking me about the two guys. I told them they were missing the best player on the field. The SS who played with RF never played travel but was a great all around player. During the game, he hit 3 HR's off the stud pitcher and made 2 crazy plays up...
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2022NYC ·
Lot's of great advice here. I enjoy seeing someone your age with the maturity to seek advice and you definitely articulate yourself very well, bravo. You should use those resources in both your travel program and family scouts to help with making connections with the different programs you are interested in addition to reaching to them. A multi-pronged approach is not overkill and imo would demonstrate your resourcefulness to the program recruiters. Hopefully your genetics puts you over 70"...
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22and25 ·
It sounds like you are with a good club with lots of connections that may someday work to your advantage. For example, my oldest is a 2022. He plays for a club similar to yours. One of his top choice schools is in another region of the country. His local club coach, who does not have relationships in that area, reached out to the national guy who does. The national guy reached out to the recruiting coordinator for the school who then called local coach. After they chatted local coach reached...
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medicineman ·
This is a for you to consider when you are a bit older but D3 and NAIA (and I believe JuCo) don’t have black out periods say like D1 and D2. Here is a nice overview. https://www.ncsasports.org/nca...ter/recruiting-rules My son started reaching out the summer before his sophomore year to recruiting/assistant coaches to about 15-20 colleges he liked with video/recruiting profile and PBR profile. Would send updates with new video every few months to establish a relationship. He was personally...
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RJM ·
2025 ... Size isn’t everything. But lack of it has to be overcome. It’s all about talent. But those with ideal size get noticed first. How tall are your parents? Older brothers and sisters? My son was 5’4 120 in 14u. But with me being 6’1”, his mother 5’8” and his older sister 5’10” we weren’t worried about growth. You are probably close to having a growth spurt. My son was 5’11” the next year. He was 6’1” senior year of high school. He grew to be 6’2”. In the mean time you can borrow my...
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JCG ·
2025, if you don't mind answering a few questions: Where does your branch of your travel team rank in the organization? Where do you bat in the lineup? What positions do you play? Do you have any dream colleges, with or without baseball? Have you seen many college games played? (I'm guessing you already know that there are good to great teams at all levels in your backyard) What level do you see yourself playing in college?
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2025prospect ·
So from what I have gathered, associate scouts tip off the area scouts of good players on their team or other teams? My family knows 2 associate scouts very well.
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