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Was thinking same Adbono... figured I’d gather thoughts before reaching out to Rick.

Thought though.... if a lot of schools cancel the 20/21 season the NCAA may say 6 to play 4 if a player was affected due to year of cancellation w start of COVID.

Way ahead of myself here, but my kid prompting some thinking. His bud playing Princeton LAX said they are considering canceling 20/21. With LAX, Princeton is a powerhouse D1.

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@adbono posted:

Covid19 is going to cause the end of a lot of kids playing careers - for one reason or another. Hope you can figure something out that works for you. 

 

my oldest might be one of them. Rising senior. He doesn’t really want to go back at all if things aren’t normal. Taking classes on line from a campus dorm room seems nuts to him. He’s smarter than I am, so I’m paying attention. 

 

my oldest might be one of them. Rising senior. He doesn’t really want to go back at all if things aren’t normal. Taking classes on line from a campus dorm room seems nuts to him. He’s smarter than I am, so I’m paying attention. 

I have little confidence that things will be anywhere close to normal. LSU HC Paul Manieri said he thought one third of the 300 current D1 baseball programs would not survive this ordeal. Hard to imagine that but he would know better than most. Attrition will hit D2 & D3 programs too. For many kids there literally will be no place to play. 

Is he taking a gap year just for baseball? Is there an academic reason for the gap?

Neither - just a high probability  of online classes during the entire school year and spring sports also being canceled. Princeton looking seriously... son may do some classes online, stay home, work out. Some of these schools will be trying to put the kabash on any party's, taking the downtime fun out of being at school. Sons same year teammates thinking sameway. We shall see....

Wouldn't be surprised if NCAA does an adjustment for 6 years to play 4 for the affected classes, then revert back.

Too much thinking going on here...back to the market

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The lax player's situation is definitely a good one for Rick. The Ivy League's normal policy limits undergrads to the first 4 years of enrollment. Do they normally allow a gap in those first 4 years?

Your son is playing D3 baseball, right? You probably know this, but D3 (and D2) uses full-time semester, not calendar years, so I would think he could take the gap year and come back with his full compliment of seasons intact (assuming no overriding school or conference rules).

The lax player's situation is definitely a good one for Rick. The Ivy League's normal policy limits undergrads to the first 4 years of enrollment. Do they normally allow a gap in those first 4 years?

Your son is playing D3 baseball, right? You probably know this, but D3 (and D2) uses full-time semester, not calendar years, so I would think he could take the gap year and come back with his full compliment of seasons intact (assuming no overriding school or conference rules).

Good point Mid...yes, son at D3 NESCAC school.  I actually forgot about using semester vs calendar years.

Lots to think about here.   Lots of "ifs".  From my viewpoint it starts with the individual, their family and situation.  If I'm putting my oldest son in this situation, I know he would have been fine with distance learning because of the way he learns.   I think a lot of this is about how does your kid learn and what is he/she comfortable with.   For example, I had to go to class to reinforce the lessons in the books.  My son is very different.  

Once you get past that education hurdle then it is onto to the athletic decision tree of the NCAA, Division, Conference and the college itself....what are their policies and what are they going to allow.   Yesterday Harvard announced all-remote learning for 2021, so I think this is going to send a ripple across the Ivy.   I don't see many situations where all of this is going to line up perfectly anywhere.   There was talk about moving Ivy football into the Spring, and reducing the schedule.   This is just one example of a conference trying to adjust to all the "what ifs" of the NCAA.   To "hang your hat" on specific current & future gap year policies across all of this is an absolute crap-shoot.    It is possible you may see some students forego athletics at some colleges because they don't want to deal with the hassles and "what ifs" of transfers and gap years.  They'll stay where they are or transfer as students.

JMO

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@adbono posted:

I have little confidence that things will be anywhere close to normal. LSU HC Paul Manieri said he thought one third of the 300 current D1 baseball programs would not survive this ordeal. Hard to imagine that but he would know better than most. Attrition will hit D2 & D3 programs too. For many kids there literally will be no place to play. 

I'm curious as to why this would be the case.  Assuming the reason is financial, most baseball programs are money losers in the best of years.  Thoughts?

@Smitty28 posted:

I'm curious as to why this would be the case.  Assuming the reason is financial, most baseball programs are money losers in the best of years.  Thoughts?

I can’t speak for Manieri but I imagine he is anticipating a prolonged effect of Covid19, a drop in enrollment due to online classes (leading to a drop in revenue), pressure on athletic departments to reduce budgets, and the increasing doubts as to whether revenue generating sports (football & basketball) will get their seasons played in 2020. 

@fenwaysouth posted:

Lots to think about here.   Lots of "ifs".  From my viewpoint it starts with the individual, their family and situation.  If I'm putting my oldest son in this situation, I know he would have been fine with distance learning because of the way he learns.   I think a lot of this is about how does your kid learn and what is he/she comfortable with.   For example, I had to go to class to reinforce the lessons in the books.  My son is very different.  

Once you get past that education hurdle then it is onto to the athletic decision tree of the NCAA, Division, Conference and the college itself....what are their policies and what are they going to allow.   Yesterday Harvard announced all-remote learning for 2021, so I think this is going to send a ripple across the Ivy.   I don't see many situations where all of this is going to line up perfectly anywhere.   There was talk about moving Ivy football into the Spring, and reducing the schedule.   This is just one example of a conference trying to adjust to all the "what ifs" of the NCAA.   To "hang your hat" on specific current & future gap year policies across all of this is an absolute crap-shoot.    It is possible you may see some students forego athletics at some colleges because they don't want to deal with the hassles and "what ifs" of transfers and gap years.  They'll stay where they are or transfer as students.

JMO

While all learning will be "remote", Harvard is bringing up to 40% of undergrads on-campus. Preference to first-years and students who need to be on campus to "progress academically".

Princeton welcoming first-years and juniors to campus.

Not sure how this will affect sports. We will have a better idea tomorrow when the Ivy League announces the fate of all Fall sports.

ABSORBER,

Yes, I read the 40% undergrad on campus in another article last night after I posted yesterday.   I actually like this policy a lot (despite it being Harvard ) as it gives some undergrads a better chance to succeed based on how they learn.  Again,  people learn differently.   My two oldest kids see or hear something one time and they don't forget it.  I don't have that gift.   What will be interesting is how Harvard allocates that 40%, and do athletes figure into that 40%.

As for Princeton, I'm not sure I understand the staggered-class approach.   I'm sure we'll hear of other approaches and policies s in the coming days/weeks/months which is kind of my point (above).   This is a crap shoot for a student never mind a student athlete. 

Yes, I imagine we’ll find out in the next week or so once the Ivy announces today. Other schools are following the reduced on-campus presence as well. This is to ensure adequate housing for quarantining should it become necessary.

Not sure whether schools will allow athletes to choose when they attend but it makes sense to select the term that most closely matches your sport. Of course that means less “off-season” work (like Fall baseball workouts). I suppose if Ivy announces the cancellation of Fall sports today then football and other Fall sports athletes have no need to be on campus unless they really require in-person learning!  But then I’d guess you’d want to give priority to Spring athletes being on campus next Spring as it would make sense to have Fall sports athletes on campus in the Fall to allow room for Spring sport athletes in the Spring!

So much confusion!!!

With sports, it's kind of like the Cornell model.  If baseball players aren't allowed on campus in the fall, then they will have to train somewhere at home, where they are just as likely (or maybe more likely) to get sick than if they are at their own school, being tested regularly, etc. 

I'm pretty sure these schools aren't thinking about athletes at all.  I do hope that they are watching what is happening at the big football schools right now, there are some well-publicized cases of virus, but many other schools that don't (yet) seem to have problems.  It will be interesting to see how that goes through the month of July.

So many angles to look at these days... more than ever, it is difficult to predict the future.

My 2021 is about to start his Senior of high school, and is currently being recruited by 4 different D3 schools.  A few have asked him to come in for official visits in September.   It is tough to know which way to go, other than the obvious of “go where you are loved”.

Maybe:  go where you are loved at a school where the Baseball program will likely still be in existence in 2022?

3and2Fastball,

What is obvious to some is not always obvious to others.  You know the HSBBWeb mantra of "go where you are loved" but some of our newer posters may not.   Based on the PMs I've had recently , I think you'll see many people put much more emphasis on academics because athletics is no longer a given at many non-athletic scholarship D1 HAs, HA D3s and D3s in general.  Additionally, I think you'll see many folks try to stick closer to home given the opportunity in this uncertainty.

JMO.

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