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2019 just pitched at Ft Myers a week or so ago, and had his second game recorded this year on trackman. I LOVE THIS TECHNOLOGY! Am learning lots of stuff about his stuff on the hill. This outing has video posted of all 10 of his 3rd strike pitches from his strikeouts and also shows his extension and angle for each of those pitches. He is 6'2" and his extension is 7'1-7'2".....what should it be? Also is there a place we can see the extension for all his pitches? Most of his angles are from...
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Make sure you take a quick look at spin rates - those are about the only measurements that I have some familiarity with. As for extension, that should be a common comparable so maybe there is some good data on 6-2 MLB pitchers floating around as a gauge. Given the relative newness of Trackman outside of MLB, the next few years ought to be very interesting as folks start to look for indicators in the data. I would not be surprised in five years kids will be sending out "video" along with a...
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Thanks for your input! I really need to compare his full set of data from July vs his full set from October. Velo went from 81-84 and strikeouts from 6-10 both over 5 innings....need to look at spin and s/m % too I guess
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Can you tell me whether you can download the data or whether you simply have to review online? I think my son has a single game on Trackman from last year and I saw some of the numbers but never say anything like a full set of data for each pitch.
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I don't know if you can download the data, but can see each pitch thrown during the game. Go to your sons profile and select games from the middle of the page. After clicking on the game just select show game and you can see every pitch from that game.
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We will be doing things with TrackMan this week at the PG WWBA championship in Jupiter that has never been done before at any event outside of the Major Leagues.
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What would that be? Dying to learn more! Learned lots of things about how my son pitches! Also leaned that PG still has to have someone who recognizes types of pitches as they happen...love there is still human element involved. In my son's last outing they couldn't differentiate his changeup from fastball so they showed no change ups when he obviously had some pitches 15-18 mph slower than his fastball still shown as fastballs....not complaining at all!! Just saying it is an evolving...
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Spin rates - its all about spin rates these days. With decent velo, just wanna be significantly off-nominal on the spin rate.
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Actually the TM unit calls the pitches. The tagger just keeps track of the lineup. We have noticed change ups being marked as fastballs. Might be better having a person tag the pitch types. So far, that is the only problem we have had with TM.
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Very interesting for sure. He had one "fastball" clocked in at 68.2 when he was mostly 80-83.6. Just assumed that hat to be a human factor....had a young lady tagging that day....no sexist comment or inference! She was just fun to talk to a couple times between innings!lol
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PG....his pitch slot was very tight that game.( see attached image)...might that have something to do with tripping up the unit on pitch type?
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Also effective spin rate. Nathan has written a lot about this. Involving not only RPM but spin axis. Wonder if tracman will start incorporating that more too? Exciting times we live in. And it benefits my son who has a very low spin rate and lots of sink on his two seemer so I personally am in favor lol!
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All fields will use TM and now I've been told, in ways never before available anywhere, including MLB. Should be very interesting! Not sure, but I think it will include video. BTW, Daron Sutton (HOFer Don's son) who works for PG, also does stat cast for MLB. He will be in Jupiter and is very much Into all the new technology.
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I absolutely love the technology! Like I said the very next day after he threw there were video of all 10 of the third strikes of his strikeouts posted online from Ft Myers....that was really cool to see that video that quickly!!
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Hi - my 2020 just pitched in Lakepoint last weekend. I saw the pitch velocities posted on the scoreboard...is there more info available?
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Go to trackman.com sign up and explore. Tons more info out there and available if your son pitched. You will have to sign up, find your son and link him to your account....pitch speeds, pitch results, spin rates, extension, angle, arm slot...lots of information!
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Lefty, Here's a cool article on PV, Perceived Velocity: http://grantland.com/the-trian...r-data-carter-capps/ This Trackman info was very interesting after Jupiter 2014, can't wait to see what comes this year. I believe they are using something similar at son's school this year for training. http://www.baseballamerica.com...#8cMvZmHZYgIhEfBU.97
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Sounds like TrackMan will be free of charge for this event in Jupiter, starting tomorrow. Read below... http://www.perfectgame.org/Art...w.aspx?article=13264
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I'm not sure that things like Extension and those measurements have that much meaning by themselves. it might be usefull as a Training tool for example if your stride is too short but it doesn't say much directly about Performance (albeit harder throwers tend have more Extension because they move down the Mound more explosively).
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Just got around to taking a look at some live action. Some really nice information. It does include EXTENSION, however I believe the definition that Trackman includes in a link is incorrect - says it is distance from tip of home plate - not distance from front edge of rubber. This measurement seems to be running low at 5.2 feet. Love the Effective velocity as well as the zone velocity. Don't really understand how all the measurements sync up, but imagine someone will soon put out some good...
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Extension is not about stride length. It is about arm extension. Stride length would be something else.
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Yeah but is extension not the number of feet towards the plate from the rubber where the release point of the ball occurs? My 2019 had 10 strikeouts and his extension was over 7' on all but one strikeout pitch. If extension is not what I think it is pleasee tell me what a measurement of 7.2 means?!
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Isn't Extension the distance from the rubber to the release Point? arm Extension (and Body Forward lean) would of course have some influence but most of that distance is covered with the stride, right? http://m.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/extension
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Maybe I was not clear. From the front of the rubber to the finger tip release, is extension! Their are some with a shorter stride that have a larger extension than those with a longer stride. Could be due to heighth or odd delivery. That is what I meant saying it is not a stride measurement. With TrackMan extension is one of the main things that determines effective velocity. So it was wrong for me to say it has nothing to do with stride, because in many cases stride length would increase ...
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2278 FB. 1967 CB.....not a good sample for breaking stuff tho as they only showed like 6 breaking balls and no changeups which I know was wrong as they showed some fastballs in the 69-71 range and I'm sure those were changes. Plus he was getting s/m % in the 60% range on fastballs so didn't throw many breaking balls. Also, son throws spike curve and I'm not sure what spin rates on that would be like vs traditional curveball. His has a pretty sharp downward break.
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While I like seeing all this data (Really liked that it was on the board for the World Series), I think unless you have a pitching coach that really understands it, it can be a negative to coach to the stats. When our hs got Rapsodo last year, my son's pitching coach (not at the school) told him not to change anything due to the metrics. I think it is good for evaluating, but not necessarily coaching. IVB and IHB tell you why some guys throwing 92-93 get swing and misses and others get...
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Personally, I wouldn't worry about 4 seam vs 2 seam vs spin rates vs etc... at least until his 77 max velo ticks up. If he starts to increase velo then usually "over the top" guys have success with 4 seam FB and 12/6 curveballs. (please take this with a grain of salt as I do not know your son, just trying to give you some honest feedback) My recommendation is to find a quality pitching coach along with a proven program that can help with the increase in velo. Movement, spin, vertical break,...
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Knowing a pitchers Bauer Units can be really useful for comparing across different velocities. But I think one thing many people get wrong is only focusing on high spin rate. A Bauer Unit that is 22 (low spin rate relative to velocity) is equally as effective. It plays out as a sinking fastball and 2 seams are even more effective. Essentially what is not good is to have an average Bauer Unit (24) since whatever the velocity is, it's much easier to time up and locate since batters get used to...
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I have the average rates and can post them too if that might help: Average spin rate: 1861; Average IVB: 19.2; Average HM: -5 Actually the great thing about the data and Bauer units specifically is that it is relevant not just for top-level MLB velo and spin rates. What the Bauer units can do is adjust the spin rate comparison for lower velos (like in hs ball). Here's a good explanation: https://www.drivelinebaseball....ts-pitch-comparison/ Here's from the conclusion to that article: "For...
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From Trackman InducedVerticalBreak — Distance, measured in inches, between where the pitch actually crosses the front of home plate height-wise, and where it would have crossed home plate height-wise if had it traveled in a perfectly straight line from release, but affected by gravity. Note: If this number is positive, the ball broke “upwards”, or in reality dropped less than it would have due to gravity alone – it does not necessarily mean that the ball actually rose. HorzBreak — Distance,...
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I am not sure how valuable are max metrics for assessing pitching. I think the average velo, spin, movement based on pitch type is a better indicator. I thought Bauer unit was a tweet metric, I kid, I kid. Not sure if it is as useful if you do not have top tier velo and spin
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Also, this article (ignore the title) is a really good example of Trackman info (Including Bauer units) being used for hs pitchers and what they should work on: http://twinsdaily.com/articles...form-fastballs-r8204
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Thanks for the reply! To be clear, me working on his data is kind of just for fun and mostly for my own interest. He's already committed to his D3 school and their coaches will have him this time next year and earlier. (My other son is a D3 sophomore RHP, so this isn't my first rodeo.) No worries here. Pretty cool that they have the same Bauer units. I'm assuming he has a high velo than mine? I thin I have a pretty solid grasp of how to use the Bauer units, but I do not quite know how to...
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Thanks for the reply! Your son's numbers look awesome. Can I ask where your son committed? Both of my boys were/are pretty clearly at D3 level, but we're very happy with the schools, fit etc. (High academic small liberal arts colleges in MN.) Tons of luck and chance factors figure into who gets an offer and who doesn't. I'm just happy my boys can keep playing. I'm pretty sure his school has Rapsodo / Trackman, so next year at this time they will have the numbers on him and teach him. But I...
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Thanks for the reply! To be clear, me working on his data is kind of just for fun and mostly for my own interest. He's already committed to his D3 school and their coaches will have him this time next year and earlier. (My other son is a D3 sophomore RHP, so this isn't my first rodeo.) No worries here. My son has had good pitching coaches, velo programs (and injuries !), and so I know his his velo is what it is: not huge, liable to tick up over the next few years, but huge jumps are pretty...
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My 2021 LHP son is a recent D3 commit. 6' 195, very strong, over the top delivery. I was hoping to get some basic feedback on his Trackman data from an event last summer (the only one in which he got Trackman data.). I understand some stuff about the data, but not everything or how to apply it. Here are his basic numbers for his FB: Max velo: 77.15; Max spin rate: 1938; Max IVB: 22; Max HM: -11.5; Extension: 4.36; Release Height: 5.67; Bauer Units: 26 My understanding is that average Bauer...
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Definitely not an expert on it, but like you, have read some things to try to get an understanding. Agree that it isn't necessarily high spin rate, it is a spin rate that is higher or lower than average. Basically making the ball move differently than anticipated due to the way an average fastball typically moves. I started looking at it before my son committed. We were at a Vanderbilt camp and my son and another kid had basically the same velo. Both boys were asked to stay after and tour...