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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
I'm not trying to impress any one. I was timed by the other teams coat and he told my coach, why would he lie? I haven't gotten it verified, but will be going to a camp sometime in the future to get my numbers verified.
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Ripken Fan ·
With all the metrics available today, I think a catcher's throw should be evaluated based on velocity and accuracy. Maybe "pop" with an adjustment based on the throw. Was at a showcase one time where the 3 best POPs would probably throw out 25% of would be runners.
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Wesleythecacther ·
The accuracy I agree with, but the velocity is not that important; it is a factor; which is why I am trying to get my velocity better. But POP is important.
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Consultant ·
Do not be concern about "pop" time, it creates one handed "lazy" catchers who cannot block the pitchers curve ball. When you "warm" up - practice catching the thrown ball on the heal of your mitt. This allows a quick transfer into the throwing hand. Infielders also should practice. Question: do you use a Easton catchers mitt? Bob
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Wesleythecacther ·
Can you go farther in depth?
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SultanofSwat ·
Velocity = technique + mass Mass is easy, but the technique is elusive
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Wesleythecacther ·
I'm not sure how it creates "lazy" catchers per say. I am more focused on blocking the pictures curve ball then throwing the runner out if I have to choose between the two. and I do not have an Easton mitt, I had All Star
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
What do you guys think of using weighted baseballs to develop arm strength?
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Consultant ·
No, no, no. Are you a "shot put" Bob
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you! I will keep working and keep you guys up to date. I am going to maybe start working with a personal trainer at a gym near my house.
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hshuler ·
Please don't think I said that in order to discourage you because that what not my intent. Continue working hard and controlling what you can and hopefully things will work out for you. I applaud you for reaching out for help and sincerely wish you the best! Please keep us posted on your progress.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
I personally do not have an 80+ catching velocity, but have gone to college camps. I do understand why your coach would say that because it would put the catcher above the rest and make him stand out.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you for the support, I do need it verified and I will when I go to a showcase in October.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

hshuler ·
Our travel coach told one of our catchers not to showcase yet because college scouts like to see 80+ velo from behind the plate. I am not sure if this is the "new" thing but this literally happened a week ago. He made it seem like a premium is put on velo.
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PGStaff ·
Batty, Hope my post didn't bother you. Mid 70s isn't bad at all, upper 70s is good and 80 or better is outstanding. Arm strength can be improved with age and work. 80 or better is far from impossible. If he has quick feet and quick release with some accuracy, he has a chance to play most anywhere. If he can hit, run and receive, he can play at a high level. Remember that many players develop a lot while they are in college. I agree with you about hand held times. We usually have at least...
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2017LHPscrewball ·
Is there a definition for a "legal" pop time calculation? I know the basics, but are there some rules that prohibit the catcher from starting his move long before the ball ever reaches the mitt? I think I remember seeing some comments here about how catchers "cheat" when it comes to having pop times timed in a showcase type setting (for instance their already standing on the plate when they receive the baseball).
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Wesleythecacther ·
What would be the normal size of a D1 catcher? I am 6 ft and 190 pounds. Good luck to your son in the future as I am going through the recruiting process right now.
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Batty67 ·
Topic near and dear to my heart as my son is a 2017 catcher. Looking at D2s and D3s given his size (5'10" 170lbs). Personally, I think hand-measured pop-times can easily help--or hinder--a given throw by as much as 0.2 seconds. So a kid throwing 2.05 consistently can get an artifact 2.2 or a 1.9. It all averages out in theory, but at a busy combine the 2.05 can get a 2.1, 2.1, and 2.2. Or get a 1.95, 2.0, 2.0. You can see which is better. My son has done two, 10-week weighted ball regimens...
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Batty67 ·
Not bothered in the slightest PGSTAFF. I think your posts and comments are a huge boon to HSBW. I 'm just being pragmatic/realistic about my son. I agree with 2forU (but we know each other outside of HSBW and since our kids were in LL), velocity is mostly genetics. Or at least the upper limit and how close a player can "access it easily". The rest is work, or very hard work to be precise. Positionally my son might, in theory, be able to attain close to 80 but he'd have to be working hard and...
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c2019 ·
Kyle , i agree with your statement , and I always wonder why I see at showcases -1.8s or even 1.7s and 1.9s for some kids . I wonder if the one doing the timing is accurate ?
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Wesleythecacther ·
I agree with PGStaff. My velocity 2 years ago was 75. I am not sure what it is now. I have quick feet, and I am accurate. I also am able to block and receive. Would the other assets besides pop time and arm strength be able to get you to the next level?
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Swampboy ·
Wesley, As the father of a customer of Kyle's who totally buys into what Kyle is teaching, I believe you can learn (and work) to throw harder. I also believe uninformed effort can be counter-productive, no matter how diligent or intense. My son didn't get much coaching early because I thought I was raising a wrestler, not a baseball player. If I had to do it over again, I'd have invested in better coaching sooner. Best wishes,
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PGStaff ·
It is helpful for catchers to know their pop times and their velocity. Both are important! Some need more improvement in catch and throw technique, others need more improvement on arm strength. The best catchers are good at both. Pop times will always be better in workouts than games. In games the catcher is receiving live in game pitches with a hitter that is likely to swing. In workouts, the catcher is receiving BP slow fastballs mostly thrown right down the middle and no worry about the...
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2forU ·
Velocity is genetics. Any work you do can only take you to your own potential. Hope he makes it Batty. Velo is king (everyone knows it). School first, then baseball.
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standballdad ·
The piece of advice would be to be careful with the weightlifting. My son injured his shoulder prior to his junior year of HS and missed the whole season. Biggest issue is that it was his throwing shoulder, we suspect he hurt it during off season HS weight session. He was getting a bit of interest before that mostly due to his Pop times and he could swing it a little.
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Wesleythecacther ·
I will! Will keep you guys up to date. Got another 6 months! Can't wait to see the improvements and muscle gain in the following months. Should I still be doing cardio every day?
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CatsPop ·
The muscle mass you are putting on will weigh more than the little bit of fat lost. Keep at it!
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you! I will, I am now lifting 3 days a week for the next 6 months and I will be starting personal training sometime soon. I weighed 200 and then I stared to lift and I did a lot of cardio in a week (10 to 20 minutes every day) and I lost 10 pounds. Now I weigh around 191.
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CatsPop ·
I looked at Top 25 rosters about a year ago and the average was 6' 1" and 205, if I remember correctly. Keep working to add strength to that frame and you'll be just fine.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you. I have seen some of Kyle's videos on YouTube of Drivelinebaseball. I have seen them using weighted baseballs which is where I got the idea of. I am currently using a lifting program from a CC that I went and visited. I will also soon be hopefully going to a Sports Performance gym close to my home where they offer personal training, I believe the owner played baseball so he should know what he is doing.
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Wesleythecacther ·
I am using a lifting program I got from a CC that I went and visited. Some one from my high school went there and played baseball and he followed their lifting routine and he got very big.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Got new video of me throwing to second: https://youtu.be/LYaIejiLi30 Any advice? I feel like I am fast and like my pop time is good, but when I time it while watching the video back I am above 2.0, where I know I can be below 2.0
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Vault Baseball Clinic & Camp - Pitching, Throwing, and Hitting - November 19/20 (Virginia Beach)

utilityman ·
Vault Fitness & Athletics will be hosting its first baseball clinic of the offseason on November 19-20. This two day camp will focus on the fundamental mechanics of pitching/throwing and hitting. The camp is 2 hours each day (12-2 pm) and is limited to 24 players total. Ages will be tee ball thru high school. Players will be divided into two groups by age (young/old) with a maximum of 12 players per group. Groups will switch coaches on the second day of camp. The camp will be staffed by...
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Throwing Elbow and Shoulder Pain.

Wesleythecacther ·
Need some help. I have pain sometimes, well most of the times, in the areas that are marked in red. This is while i an playing and throwing a baseball. I am a catcher. I mostly have pain in the elbow most of the time if it hurts. Sometimes it hurts in the shoulder. Or sometimes both. What should I do? Please help and let me know if you know.
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Wesleythecacther ·
I have not gone and seen my doctor. Don't want to be done for the season. And the pain is not all the time when I throw. But i throw more times with pain then without.
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JCG ·
What does your doctor say?
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Golfman25 ·
You definitely should seek medical attention. Do you have a trainer at school? At kids school they would get you evaluated by tye trainer first, then if necessary send you to the ortho. On the positive side, since you have pain in several locations it would seem like general irritation and inflammation. Not some thing catastrophic like ucl tear. Get it checked out and let the pros guide you. Good luck.
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FoxDad ·
I would strongly recommend seeing a doctor. Consistent pain when throwing indicates a problem. Your body is sending a message. Don't ignore it.
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Wesleythecacther ·
good news today, had a game. we won 11 to 10 and I did not have any arm pain today. It felt fine. I made sure to warm up well and I made sure to use my legs more and get back and use my whole body. Will let you all updated.
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Nuke83 ·
Wesley, From following your posts, I know that you've been extremely dedicated and worked hard to earn an opportunity to play at the next level. You REALLY need to follow the advice given, even if it means that you need to rest (best case) and miss some or all of this season. This pain is significant enough to cause you concern. If it's simply inflammation and not an injury, you run the risk of injury by compensating with improper mechanics or simply the fatigue. If it is injury, then you...
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2forU ·
When it hurts, shut it down. You only have one throwing arm, when it's gone, so are you. Talk to your coach, athletic trainer, or doctor. Short term disruptions should not derail your long term plans, but they might if you wait too long.
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playball2011 ·
U need to trust your trainer and have a talk about problems u are having. They can help
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Re: how hard do I have to throw to go D1

RJM ·
Your velocity is great for your age. How tall are your mother and father? Given where you are now if it's affordable your parents and you should look into the New England Ruffnecks.
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2019Dad ·
As detailed in the thread I linked to, assuming you are a RHP, in the next 3 and 1/2 years, you need to add about 5 mph for mid-major -- sitting 86, touching 88-89 would match most of the kids. Probably about 8 mph for the very top Power 5 schools -- sitting 89, touching 91-92.
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JCG ·
Good advice here to which I will add: TAKE CARE OF YOUR ARM!
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Goosegg ·
There are several questions rolled into one. First, velo at D1. D1 has roughly 300 baseball programs, ranging from the SEC down to a few teams which are unaffiliated. At the tippy top, roughly sitting 90+ gets notice. At the lower end, a RH starter may sit 85 - 88. LHP can throw a few miles slower. Unique pitchers (e.g., sidearm) are considered separately. Second, what do YOU want to do? You are way ahead here (being in 8th grade), but it's never too early to think, learn, and develop a...
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Rob T ·
The summer going into highschool, my son's team had 4 pitchers who could throw 80. Three of them are going to be pitching D1 next year, and the other will be at a solid D2. So, I would say your velocity is on track. As seniors they sit around 90. As has been said you need to keep working hard and improving. It's a big jump from 80 to 90, especially if you are already close to physically mature. Most importantly - grades. Every one of those pitchers is a good student, and one is going to an...
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smokeminside ·
Gavin, hope you've read this far. Don't let the questions scare you! You have time, and you have a nice start. Impressed that you shared here, and I hope you can find a smart coach who will help bring you along.
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tanndonn ·
Pretty cool to have a 14 year old asking these questions on his own behalf. I would imagine that you'll get some very good information from people here. I will add: pitching becomes a 7 day a week proposition, it has to be approached as a job. There is something within your program to do every day and when you have an "off" day it is to be OFF. Rest and recovery are as important, if not more important than chasing velocity. Learn how to locate, learn to command the changeup. Devote time to...
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Nonamedad ·
Watched Maryland vs Illinois on BTN the other day both pitchers in the low to mid 80s
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