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Holiday and summer Baseball camp comments - Doyle and others

WashBarn ·
My 2019 son attended Doyle Academy's winter 5 day camp over the holidays.  Thought it would be helpful to post some comments on this and a couple of others.  First and foremost he had a lot of fun at Doyle.  The boys worked hard for sure.  They are pretty old school down at Doyle - my guy went in very fit but was sore the entire camp due to countless push-ups.  That was fine. The instruction was also very old school.  Hitting - Blake Doyle is hitting...
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Catcher Skills

Wesleythecacther ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHr6JAOE2s   Here is a link to my video from Baseball Factory. Here is a link to my Baseball Factory page: http://members.baseballfactory...er/_/109066/#member/   Can I have any catching advice, more on...
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External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

jimster ·
Check out my articles on the topic. ...
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SultanofSwat ·
Are you advocating forearm 'flop/lay back' backwards with your forearm at 90 degrees? Is that what MLB pitchers do? In video 3, you are advocating using weighted balls to increase your range of motion in external rotation. Why does my ROM need to increase? What is the ideal ROM angle?
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jimster ·
Essentially, yes. And depending on what major leaguers you look it, it is what I tend to see. I would like to promote more of a focus of 90 degrees with the angle of your back, but there are guys that very on this part of mechanics. I have found that when my external rotation is at its max potential, the rest of my mechanics are where I want them to be. I will address the rest of your questions in two ways. ROM can refer to both static and dynamic ROM. A good way to tell the differences is...
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Ohio Dad ·
Just to add two cents, most of the players I work with have too much external rotation and not enough internal rotation. Most players that develop elbow issues have this exact imbalance: Internal Rotation Deficit. Not trying to be negative or argumentative in any way, but just what I have seen over 20 years. Not sure why a player would want to create that type of imbalance of ER to IR. additionally, it is not just the shoulder (glenohumeral joint) that allows these folks to get into these...
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Re: External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

jimster ·
Do you have an example of a pitcher who has that issue? I'm curious to see an example of a pitcher with that issue. Throughout the process of changing my arm action and overall mechanics, I was pretty consistently told that I have good internal rotation, when my external rotation was poor. So that is something I have little to no focus on that part of my mechanics. I also did very little research on internal research in general, so I am not very knowledgeable about the issues associated with...
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Re: External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

SUAWTG ·
Jimster- The DriveLine article you reference in your write up talks about the IR issues. Specifically the Sleeper Stretch. This is all new to me but has become a hot topic in my household since my son has developed scapular issues. He has very limited IR on his throwing arm compared to his non-throwing arm. This is typical of throwers acording to his Physical Therapist. Also he has been doing Jaeger bands 3 times a week for 2 years now and they are great for the rotator cuff, but don't do...
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Re: External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

jimster ·
I remember the part the article a little. Is internal rotation lack of ROM just referencing a static stretch comparison or you're mentioning? Or is their something when those pitchers throw that show an issue too. I have read about pitchers having the issue your son is having, but I have not heard of any issues in the actual pitching motion. Similar to how I talk external rotation. You can see the level of external rotation you achieve. Is there something that you can see when you look at...
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Re: External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

SUAWTG ·
I am not sure of a way to tell in the actual throwing motion. I am just a dad and know very little about this. The PT showed his lack of IR by comparing his IR via the Sleeper Stretch on both sides. His throwing side would not rotate without his shoulder blade moving forward with it. He had done normal stuff (only 14) not heavy lifting. Pushups and light weights etc.. Unfortunately if your scapular muscles are not activating then instead of these exercises making them stronger your body...
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Re: External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

jimster ·
If you're interested in finding exercises to work those muscles you can search http://exrx.net/ . A great resource for anything related to working out. And free too. That's the best part. Also check out the body map here http://exrx.net/Lists/WtMale.html You click on the areas of the body that you want to find workouts for and it will show you stuff that you can do. If you are having him do push-ups, then you can add other body weight exercises to work the upper body as well. Pull ups and...
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Re: External Rotation-What it is and how to improve it

Bulldog 19 ·
Anybody want to take a guess on how many baseball players I've stretched into external rotation of the shoulder? Volleyball hitters? That's right--- Exactly ZERO. They already have excessive ER and by stretching it, all I would do is stress the already stressed joint..
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jimster ·
Not everyone has excessive or complete external rotation nor am I promoting static stretching of it. Or any type of stretching. My article talks improving arm action so external rotatiom(that naturally occurs)can happen. I don't really understand the purpose of your post and it seems kind of combative. If you have seething to add to the conversation, please do. But please add comments that relate to the topic on hand. Thanks!
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Re: Holiday and summer Baseball camp comments - Doyle and others

Ripken Fan ·
Welcome to the site; thanks for sharing your son's experiences.
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Re: Catcher Skills

redbird5 ·
Wesley, As a 16 year old, you have a good base to work with. I would recommend three things immediately: 1. Lose the Knee Savers. This should allow you to get lower in your stance. Also along that line...get more flexible in your hip flexors. Take a yoga class. You have a pretty good sized frame and you will need to present a low target at times. Flexibility is very important. 2. Find a long toss or arm strengthening/stabilizing program. We use Jamie Evans' Velo-City (...
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Re: Catcher Skills

CaCO3Girl ·
Has your velocity been clocked on your throw down?
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standballdad ·
Originally Posted by redbird5: Wesley, As a 16 year old, you have a good base to work with. I would recommend three things immediately: 1. Lose the Knee Savers. This should allow you to get lower in your stance. Also along that line...get more flexible in your hip flexors. Take a yoga class. You have a pretty good sized frame and you will need to present a low target at times. Flexibility is very important. 2. Find a long toss or arm strengthening/stabilizing program. We use Jamie Evans'...
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Re: Catcher Skills

Wesleythecacther ·
Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl: Has your velocity been clocked on your throw down? I have been clocked at 75 mph.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Originally Posted by standballdad: Originally Posted by redbird5: Wesley, As a 16 year old, you have a good base to work with. I would recommend three things immediately: 1. Lose the Knee Savers. This should allow you to get lower in your stance. Also along that line...get more flexible in your hip flexors. Take a yoga class. You have a pretty good sized frame and you will need to present a low target at times. Flexibility is very important. 2. Find a long toss or arm...
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New Video of Receiving, Blocking, and Throwing

Wesleythecacther ·
Hello everyone. I just uploaded a new skills video to YouTube here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3A_IRAiJFY Please give me some feedback on what you guys think. Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Catching Video, Feedback Appreciated

Dominik85 ·
I'm no expert at all in catching but why are you turning the glove down just before you receive? After you catch the ball your glove is nice and quiet but that little flip could cost you some strikes.
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noumpere ·
I disagree that the "flip" is going to cost any strike (in and of itself). As an umpire, I am focused on the ball, not the glove -- and by the time the ball gets to the glove the glove is back where it should be. I'll leave any comments on the value of the flip or how it might affect other aspects of the catching to the coaches here.
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Catching Video, Feedback Appreciated

Wesleythecacther ·
Hello everyone. I just uploaded a new skills video to YouTube here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3A_IRAiJFY Please give me some feedback on what you guys think. Any advice is appreciated
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Re: Catching Video, Feedback Appreciated

Wesleythecacther ·
I will try to get video of me hitting sometime in the future. I knew someone was going to say that. A question related to hitting off the tee that I have is, how far off the tee should I be able to hit the ball? I am going into my senior year, I am 6 ft and 200 lbs.
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Wesleythecacther ·
It says that it is a Coach's Guide, will it work for a catcher?
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3and2Fastball ·
I would strongly advise thoroughly investigating this DVD and incorporating it into everything you do https://vimeo.com/ondemand/neccdvd
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standballdad ·
DVD is too long, maybe 2-3 minutes Max and need to incorporate some hitting.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thanks for the advice. I will include hitting in future videos. I will shorten it some more by taking out the clips you suggested. I will get more video of my throws to second. I got this video taken a couple weeks ago and have gotten better. Got my pop time down below 2.0 and my best at a 1.8.
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MTCatcherDad14 ·
Wesley, First, I think it is great that you are doing this. From experience I know that it is difficult to narrow down multiple shots into a concise video. It is important, though that you shorten it, if the intent is to get a college coach to view it. I recommend 2 minutes but no more than 3. My other points: The glove flip is common and typically used as a relaxation technique. Dont worry about that. I would definitely include hitting, maybe the first part if it is the strength of your...
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thanks, to answer your 2, I just re-edited the video and took out that part, but I want to get more football did me throwing to second because I have gotten better and they have gotten faster and are now under 2.0. And for 3 I will do that when I make a new video sometime. Also will try to get hitting. Would hitting off a tee work?
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coach2709 ·
Man you look much better in this video than the one we talked over a few weeks ago. Great job in getting better with hard work. Keep it up. Few things 1. The glove flip isn't a big deal but IMO and others may disagree which is fine but personally I think you may have too much movement. You get into higher velocities it could cause you to be late in receiving but maybe not. I'm a big believer in the down tilt then pop to the spot. 2. Get rid of the throws from the knees. They don't sell you...
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Wesleythecacther ·
I do that to relax my hand and make sure that I stay underneath the ball and that I catch the bottom of the ball and it allows me to stick the pitch instead of the ball bringing my glove out of the strike zone once it hits the mitt.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thanks, appreciate the help.
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CatsPop ·
Like Coach2709's idea of some recoveries after block. Also suggest being on a field that is not all dirt + has a bag at 2nd base for you to throw toward. Good job, keep working!
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Wesleythecacther ·
Okay, I will check it out. Thank you, I will try to get this DVD and learn the more advanced fundamentals of catching.
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Wesleythecacther ·
I will get block and recover video sometime. Finding a field with a grass infield is rather difficult with where I live and most of the time the bases are put away in the sheds which I do not have access to. I will try my best next time to do what I can.
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3and2Fastball ·
It is a Coach's Guide to teaching catching, but any Catcher can learn a ton from it. From what I can see you have talent & desire. Learning more advanced fundamentals in the craft of catching can only help! Best of luck!!!!
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Wesleythecacther ·
I re-edited the video and here is the link to the new video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN9_5hcljD4
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thanks for the resources. I do have the Catching 101 book by Xan Barksdale. I also have the Art of Catching book by Brent Mayne. I will look at getting the other books. Thank you for all the help. I will try to get some hitting video today maybe and get some more video of throws to second as I am not satisfied with the footage that I do have on my video.
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CatsPop ·
See if one of your coaches would be willing to help grant access to a field, they all want to see 'their boys" do well. Some other sources for you (get for your birthday or Christmas): http://www.coachingcatchers.com/; http://www.catching-101.com/; https://coacheschoice.com/p-21...atching-drills.aspx; http://brentmayne.com/ . Some of the authors are members here on the HSBaseballWeb. Keep reaching for the top!
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Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
What would be an average catcher velocity for high school varsity catchers? More specifically in the class of 2017? What would be an ideal catching velocity? Attached is a video of me throwing, any advice? Also, here is a link that I found that has workouts that will help pitchers throw harder: http://www.stack.com/a/how-to-throw-harder Will those workouts in the link above work for position players?
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CatsPop ·
Click on the link below to see some 2017 pop times + velo's @ a showcase today: https://twitter.com/PGShowcase...s/766800022017085440
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Matt13 ·
Is it wrong that I first read it as, "Whiskey, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?" For the record, I don't drink it.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Kyle Boddy ·
Velocity is part God-given, part trainable. As for catching velocity, it generally doesn't matter directly. Pop times do. Actual, real pop times that are ELITE for advanced HS kids are in the 1.98 - 2.05 range with HIGH accuracy, not random throws 8 feet above the bag. An accurate 2.15 or better is very, very good for HS kids. Velocity is part of pop time but it's far less important than mechanics, transfer, and catching ability.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you. I got my pop time down to a 1.8 personal best and consistently a 1.9 to 2.0 (2.0 from the knees).
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Kyle Boddy ·
I honestly doubt you threw a verified 1.8. The average pop time for elite MLB catchers is in the high 1.8X range. There's no one here to impress, most of us are ex-coaches and parents of once (and still) very good baseball players. The best thing you can do for your career is to be honest with yourself and your current abilities.
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you for the link!
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Wesleythecacther ·
I agree, I will be getting verified times when I go to a camp this October. Which gives me more time to lift and get stronger and better.
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Stafford ·
Maybe he did hit a 1.8 one time. Nothing surprises me when something is hand timed. There are a ton of kids who have hand-timed 4.4 40's but run 4.6 or higher when electronic timed There was a kid at our local high school who consistently put up excellent pop times and replicated it in games and threw everybody out. But, he was small, 5'8" 130lbs. O.K. HS hitter, looked to hit oppo base hits. As a defensive catcher, he had D1 skills, but did not project as far as size or as a hitter. Lots of...
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standballdad ·
It might be rare but I have seen HS kids POP 1.8's at showcases. I do not know the OP but I would not be quick dismiss what he says. My guess is that he is pretty quick based on the video, but needs to have it verified at showcase type event.
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