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Re: PG Pitching Rules
Go44dad posted: Younger ages are tough. Rosters are much smaller, parent/coach drive to win the games are much higher and arm health isn't top of mind. I want to see a test youth game played where 2 strikes is a strikeout and 3 balls is a walk to see how different the game actually is. (If your a purist, it's ok to roll your eyes) All the time my son was in HS, every fall the team would play in a league down at a local JC and 2 strikes was a K and 3 walks a BB. They weren’t doing it for arm...
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The roll out of the pitch smart guidelines in youth baseball was bumpy, but as the mom of a 13 and 7 year old, thank you for sticking with it.
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While it may be counterintuitive, the evidence suggests that a lighter ball increases stress on the arm because it allows for faster arm action.
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In our local park league we adopted Little League pitch count rules instead of the Cal Ripken rules which allowed a certain amount of innings pitched. We asked coaches to train a parent on each team to use GC instead of a book and it went great. Very few discrepancies. Umpires got coaches to sign pitch count cards aftwr every game.We continue to use pitch count rules through Babe Ruth and also apply them ourselves to the travel tournaments we play in. We play in a USAAA World Series...
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roothog66 posted: While it may be counterintuitive, the evidence suggests that a lighter ball increases stress on the arm because it allows for faster arm action. I’ve heard that too, but after discussing it with a couple of orthos and trainers, a lot depends on the weight, so a small reduction in weight and the benefits should more than make up for any additional stress. Then there’s the argument of faster arm action creating more stress, which I wholeheartedly believe. If that’s true, why...
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Guaranteed games and the perception of its value is a big problem at the younger ages. A lot of coaches and parents enter in to these 4 or more guaranteed game tournaments . Well add another 3 or 4 games on to that if you make it to the championship. The younger teams rosters can't handle that much baseball over a three day weekend. There are no PO's . You show me a 12u team with a roster big enough to handle that many games in a weekend I'll show you a team that's lucky to make it through...
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Funny you mention that. I'm following a 12U team at Cooperstown today (championship day). The winner and runner-up will both play five 6 inning games today.
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hueysdad, I agree with what you said. But if you really feel that way, why do you let your boy play in those extra games?
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I'm no sure what benefits a smaller, lighter ball would have. I'm also not sure I understand your second point. By "reduce the work of the harder throwers, what do you mean?"
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roothog66 posted: I'm no sure what benefits a smaller, lighter ball would have. Less strain/wear & tear. It takes more effort to propel a sphere weighing 5.25 ounces 50’ than one weighing 4.5 oz.. I'm also not sure I understand your second point. By "reduce the work of the harder throwers, what do you mean?" Rather than give more opportunities to harder throwers, spread it out among some pitchers who aren’t throwing strawberries through the side of a battleship.
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Having been on the blue side of a U14 PG tourney last weekend the one "odd" thing I wish coaches would take their collective heads out of you know where about is - when you know your pitcher has only a few pitches left and you're entering a new inning - go with someone new. Nothing like 2-5 pitches, then a pitching change to disrupt the "flow" of the game. One team's pitcher had 2 pitches left - coach says throw strikes. Duh, really. Pitch 1 is a double, pitch 2 a single, and a run. Now we...
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That's pitch count baseball. Welcome. Expect teams to choose visitors if there is a coin flip, warm up two starting pitchers, turn in line up cards with no positions (if allowed), then choose their starting pitcher based on how many runs they scored in the first. Also, expect even slower play, as coaches try and limit innings in a game to save pitching. Expect more aggressive play when up 8-1 to get to the run rule. That's all programmed into the "coachsmart" app.
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If anyone could actually build this coachsmart app I know SEVERAL coaches who could use it. Could it talk? Can you load in game situations like down by 2, runners on 1st and second, should I bunt with two outs...maybe the app could reply in a cold computer voice "go-back-to-rec-ball" ? (actually saw this happen a couple weekends ago...it was SAD!)
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Go44dad posted: That's pitch count baseball. Welcome. Expect teams to choose visitors if there is a coin flip, warm up two starting pitchers, turn in line up cards with no positions (if allowed), then choose their starting pitcher based on how many runs they scored in the first. Also, expect even slower play, as coaches try and limit innings in a game to save pitching. Expect more aggressive play when up 8-1 to get to the run rule. That's all programmed into the "coachsmart" app. Yes, there...
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Actually there are some small advantages in being the visitor. Maybe the biggest is in a loss when the home team doesn't hit in the last inning. No doubt, winning by run rule will be even more important. Then again, that has always been important for saving arms. The biggest issue we are seeing is that games can sometimes get longer and playing havoc with schedules. All in all, it is well worth the problems it creates.
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I'm a big supporter of the Pitch Smart guidelines being implemented, as well as the State HS pitch counts going into effect. Definitely worth it.
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Congratulations on your son's offer! My understanding is that if it's an athletic scholarship, the minimum for D1 is 25% of total cost of attendance (tuition, fees, books, room, and board).
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Yes, 25% (of tuition, room, board, fees, and books) is the minimum and I can't think of a reason that the D1 coach would tell you 20%. I believe that D1 schools have the option of including personal expenses (transportation, meals, etc) in the total athletic scholarship number, which amounts to something like $3,000/yr. Below is a pretty thorough discussion on scholarship dollars. https://community.hsbaseballwe...25#35225222602586925
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It's a 25% minimum IF the program is fully funded. That is the rub - many DI programs aren't fully funded and often it is not public information how many baseball scholarships a particular program has. Most State universaries are fully funded, but not privates by any stretch - for the privates, it can depend on . I'm let more knowledgeable folks weigh in...
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I have a question about room & board. In two instances so far an RC has told my son that they couldn't cover room & board or room & board wasn't part of the calculation. Is this just a matter of semantics if in each case the dollar amount was 25% or more of the total cost (tuition, room & board, books)?
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I think the 25% minimum holds whether the program is fully funded or not. If a program is not fully funded, it will offer fewer than 11.7 scholarships (for instance, instead of spreading 11.7 scholarships out, with a minimum of 25% they would spread out 8 scholarships with a minimum of 25%. Interesting question on room and board. We were never told that, just that school would cover tuition, which came out to a little over 25%.
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Probably just semantics. Some coaches will say the opposite... "full scholarship"... when they're really talking about covering full tuition. Minimum is still 25%, regardless of how many scholarships are funded.
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The 25% is a hard and fast rule. If the program isn't fully funded, that doesn't mean the coach can offer 10% or 20%. One school my son talked with was funded to 4.8 scholarships, total -- still, the offer must be at least 25% to an incoming student. Here is the NCAA rule: 15.5.4 Baseball Limitations. There shall be an annual limit of 11.7 on the value of financial aid awards (equivalencies) to counters and an annual limit of 27 on the total number of counters in baseball at each...
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Okay, I was mistaken...they offered 20k, not 20%. So, help me out here...the school's total cost of attendance is 75K (ouch). You take 20k off of that = 55k. I do the Net Price Calculator and let's say it says I have to pay 25K. I then apply for financial aid and hope for the best? Is that how this works?
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Better than that. If NPC says you will likely owe 25K, and his baseball scholarship is 20K, you will owe 5K for the year. That's assuming that the coach was specifically referring to a 20K athletic scholarship, and not some other type of aid. If your son is serious about this school, you should run the NPC then schedule time to talk details with the coach and with Financial Aid. The NPC is just an estimate.
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I'm not sure this is how it works at all schools. My son was informed by one school he was talking to that need-based financial aid (loan free) and an athletic scholarship could not be combined. So I would clarify with the school.
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Correct. It's one or the other. Academic scholarships and athletic scholarships, however, can be combined, per this NCAA rule: 15.5.3.2.4.1 Academic Honor Awards -- Based on High School Record. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution’s normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient’s high school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, are exempt...
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Rick at Informed Athlete explains it here: https://informedathlete.com/at...inancial-aid-issues/
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Yes thanks, I neglected the equivalency part of this. Big miss on my part. LetItGo, this is why you really need to get details from the school. The main issue is that the need-based aid will likely count against the baseball team's 11.7 limit. So if the school is fully funded for baseball, they can't "stack" the two scholarships for your son without going over the limit. However, if they don't fully fund baseball, they might have room for the need-based aid. You're really going to have to...
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Don't guess. You should be able to get the financial aide department involved and they can give you a view of the whole package, before you commit. Call the financial aid office and let the coach know you are before you want to say yes. The FA office would then reach out to the coach send you the details in writing. Regardless, congratulations to you and your son.
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My son's school made their offer on paper, which I assume originated in the financial dept, it was broken down line item by item into a bottom line number, pre any kind of financial aid that he could possibly qualify for. I much appreciated the straightforward approach and lack of confusion vs the clear as mud approach others were. If there's no bottom line number on the offer, by all means contact the financial dept so that they can work with the coach to get it in writing.
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I've heard of D2 and JUCO offers in dollar figures but never a D1 offer. Every offer I have ever heard was given in percentages. I know the way the schools break it up varies; tuition + room+meals, tuition and books, flat out tuition, etc, but make sure what you know what you're getting into. An unexpected 13k room and board fee is never fun. I know the kids are supposed to be the ones interacting with the coaches and asking the questions, but when it comes to financial stuff you should...
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Not true. Son's D1 scholly was given in dollar amounts (easier for the coach, he said). This came to sort of bite us in the rear when tuition rose in the two years from offer to receiving the bill. You want a percentage, per the reason the above.
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For us, the scholarship amount came off the bill. Tuition + room + board + fees - less scholarship.
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You all have made some great, great points! Thank you so, so much. Not to be greedy, but has anyone compiled a list of questions to ask the coach about the scholarship offered? Because it certainly sounds like the next step for me. And yes, one of my questions was if it is okay for Mom to talk to the coach about all this. Sounds like it may be time.
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Sorry for wrong info re: DI 25% rule - it applies even if the program is not fully funded. In DII baseball the athletic scholarships can be cut up however the coach desires. Good luck and yes it is appropriate for a parent to discuss athletic and financial aid with the coach.
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Completely OK for the person/s responsible for paying to be directly involved in the conversation clarifying what/how much will be paid !! This is the #1 line item where parents can and should chime in.
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Just to clarify; regardless of whether amount is communicated in percentage or dollars, the calculation is based on COA (tuition, R&B, AND books) and not just tuition correct?
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That is my understanding NYCDAD. Also, this is a great resource another baseball mom referred me to: https://keepplayingbaseball.or...seball-scholarships/
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Yes, tuition+room+board+books+fees. Percentage really comes into play with regard to the 25% minimum. They have to offer a baseball player at least 25% of that number. For public schools, obviously the in-state number would be less than the out-of-state number.
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The actual NLI is written out as a percentage. Somewhat surprising that coaches are offering dollar amounts. Maybe they only have 200k to work with and thats how they are splitting it up
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Schools offer $ as opposed to % because cost of attendance (COA) changes (increases). They have to report % to NCAA. And let's assume they promise you that dollar amount for all four years. The % of COA will decrease for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years due to COA increases. That leave more % for incoming players for those other three years. And perhaps they only offer it for one year. Then I would imagine the coach would offer the same number in subsequent years (unless he lowers the amount or...
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I think this is a big part of it. In my son's case, the school was combining academic dollars and athletic dollars, so it seemed logical to come out as a dollar figure, but it also benefits the school for the reasons you mention. We just factored that in to the decision.
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Offers son has received have been in dollar amount as well. So yes, that meant the % was coming down each year.
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Unless you go to a P5. The percentage cannot decrease for the 4/5 years you're there so even if COA goes up the dollar value of the percentage will increase as well.
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Unless that percent is exactly 25% for the first year, in which case they will have to increase the dollars to keep him at 25%.
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We had a conference call with our son and the coach regarding offers. The coaches asked for it and we appreciated it. Good time to ask questions and get a real understanding of the offer.
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Per the NCAA 2015 less than 15% of the 300 D1 baseball programs are fully funded. With fully funded being 11.5 scholarships, most are around 7 . Some close to 9. But most schools are NOT fully funded