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Re: Rising Junior Summer Strategy

McCajun ·
Thanks Cabbagedad. I'm a newcomer and grateful for the sage advice here.
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Re: Rising Junior Summer Strategy

CatsPop ·
Train for bigger, faster, stronger. Will be a special summer for your son.
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Re: Rising Junior Summer Strategy

Goosegg ·
Figure out which schools fall within your target list. If your travels take you near any, visit. Add and subtract as you learn what your S wants/doesn't want. Prepare for standardized tests. Find a good PC. Find a good athletic training program. Play catch with dad. Stay on top of grades. (If summer, prepare a list of books.) Youve got a decent baseball approach sketched out.
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BucsFan ·
Given his GPA and that he is not lighting up the radar gun, he/you may be thinking academics is his calling card to attract interest from non top tier programs. If high academic D3 and D1 schools in non-power conferences is the goal, I'd strongly consider HeadFirst Camp (probably Sacramento best for you) and/or one of the Stanford Camps. Lots and lots on this site (just use search button) and online on both.
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fenwaysouth ·
I agree with everything that has been offered by others. Your son has time to develop his skills in his frame. You've mentioned he is a RHP/OF sitting at 80. What about batting and his speed....are these tools that he could leverage at the next level or does he prefer to pitch? I ask this question because many people at your son's age are beginning to decide between position player or pitcher. One of the best things we did when my oldest son was about your son's age was get him a pitching...
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RJM ·
Another skill that opens doors is foot speed. A player can't steal first. But a lot of college coaches light up when they see top level foot speed. Given the 60 is often one of the first tests at a showcase foot speed is a great first notice.
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Branson Baseball ·
MC, You have received a lot of great feedback. And you have some elements of a sound Summer plan already. Many families with a profile similar to your son's focus too much on playing games the Summer before the player's Junior year. Local leagues, travel tournaments, big showcases, getting seen by colleges, etc. That can be great if the rising Junior is ready for that exposure. But many are not... yet. I recommend to players at this stage to focus (as others have noted) on: standardized test...
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kandkfunk ·
MC, We have son's the same age and I'm thinking we live in the same general part of the country. My son is a LHP/outfielder sitting about 80 right now. He is a few inches shorter than yours and his velocity has shot up over the last 9 months or so (sat high 60s as an incoming Freshman). You've gotten a lot of great advice. After reading this site for a couple years and talking to my son's coaches, we've developed a plan for the summer that sounds similar to yours. I'll PM you with his plans.
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Re: AZ Fall Classic Junior/Senior All Academic Game

Trust In Him ·
I thought I would revive a thread like this instead of creating a new one or hijacking others. IMHO this is one of the better showcase game for those who qualify. As stated above there is a minimum GPA, SAT/ACT to even be considered. My son participated in the Jr, made the team and did well in the game. Basically breaks down as 1/2 day tryout by position (have maybe 15-20 balls, throws, bats) and the results are announced later that day. Evening game follows. What makes this different is it...
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BU4ick ·
I would have to agree, this is one of the better showcases to participate in. My son went from 0 coach contacts to 12 to 15 within a week after the junior showcase game. This was our first showcase, as he didn't really have any skills that grabbed your attention his freshman and sophomore year. If your son has the grades and something to show, I would highly recommend it. One caveat... pitching commands the most attention.
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Backstop22 ·
Great idea to revive this post now while the application period is open for both sessions. I am not sure there is any preference given to the early applicants over the later ones, but better to get it in early to be on the list. And remember there is no guarantee of even getting invited to tryout, but they refund the money if a kid is not selected. Reading back over my posts above, I see they ended in 12/2016 before my 2017 knew his fate. He was so fortunate to get the chance to pitch in the...
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Re: AZ Fall Classic Junior/Senior All Academic Game

StrainedOblique ·
AZ Fall Classic Academic All Star game is one of the most beneficial recruiting events a high academic recruit can attend . Yet, one of the most underrated or unknown events on the circuit. IMO its a 'Must Do' event for kids looking to play at smart schools. Like Area Codes, Even the try-outs are Stacked. w/ RC's and HC's. Havard, Berkeley, Duke......They're ALL there.
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Gov ·
Agree, but I do think the opportunity was best for Pitchers and Catchers. As a position player you really needed to have an exceptional day to get noticed.
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cottoncandy ·
Any of your sons tried out in the morning but didn't make the team for the afternoon game? I'm trying to decide if this is going to be worth it. My son was invited to try out and we are planning to go out there but I am getting worried now as people question me what if my son doesn't make the team.. didn't think of this until we signed up and got the email back that he is invited. Would it be still worth it to just try out in front of those coaches?
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smokeminside ·
CC, will your son be playing on a team otherwise?
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2019cubdad ·
From a reputable source, over 270 schools will be represented from all levels at the Senior Fall Classic. This is the most they have ever had at the event.
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smokeminside ·
That's awesome. Will the d1s, including the high academics, still be looking at 2019's or has that ship sailed?
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3and2Fastball ·
Valparaiso just had a 2019 commit to them today. D1's are still signing 2019's
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Gov ·
The ship is sailing away for the most sought after HA D3’s. The kids who were seeking Ivy are finding out it’s not likely to happen. Plan B has gone Into effect. I would think there may be a few of them still searching for a P, or to replace a last minute fallout at the time of the AZ Classic. Otherwise the majority of other D3’s are still shopping. I dealt w this last year w my 2018. I thought the AZ Classic was one of the best run showcase/camps through the entire recruiting process for my...
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StrainedOblique ·
YES. The try-out is similar to Area Code game try-outs. Stacked w/ Coaches watching.
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Trust In Him ·
AZ Academic Classic was definitely one of the best. It might be a little late but if your son does not have a team for the weekend ask around. Just be cautious though that this can be a financial decision for the teams (more players mean more team funding, NOT necessarily more playing time). If your son does extremely well and if a school wants him there will be a way to find some money. Since you are already there might want to catch the AZ Fall League MLB Top Prospects games if you can't...
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cottoncandy ·
I am a little confused. what do you mean by if he as a team for the weekend? I was not aware you need to go as a team. players report at Padres field and try out in the morning ..3pm it will be posted if the player gets picked... if they get picked they get to play a game at 5pm..this year it is held on Oct 18 for the junior all academic try out and game..... I'm assuming there is just two teams formed so they can play a game. Did I miss something?
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cottoncandy ·
They try out in the morning and at 3pm they will post on the website if a player gets picked for the game at 5pm.
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smokeminside ·
You asked if it was going to be worth it. If it's the only thing you're doing, and it sounds like it is, you're asking a great question. There will be scouts at the tryouts, so a kid will be seen whether they make the game or not, but most kids do NOT make the evening game. It's incredibly competitive and if a kid does make it, practically every scout at the Classic will be there watching. The tryout has a lot of stuff going on at once--some positions hitting, some running, some doing...
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JCG ·
20% sounds about right. Maybe a bit higher for pitchers.
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tequila ·
My 2019 is a catcher and I was told that they typically have around 35 try out at that position and 15-20% make it to the game. I'm not sure about other position numbers.
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2019Dad ·
For pitchers I think 85+ will get you in the junior game. Smoke is right about the 60. It was run in the outfield warning track, which was very soft. Like running in sand. Times were .2 to .3 slower than they would be on turf.
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2020Hopeful ·
The schedule for this year's AZ Junior Fall Classic is now posted. FYI, it does look like this year there are other games going on during the Academic Game (and maybe for part of the Academic Tryouts--earliest game starts at 12:30) which from prior posts on here it seems is different than other years.
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smokeminside ·
Appears so. That is different.
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Re: D1 Recruiting Rule Changes

TPM ·
See topic "NCAA announce re fruiting rule changes" already in discussion.
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JeffnNYC ·
Thanks, and sorry to have missed it.
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Re: When was your position player offered by any top academic? Any top academic offers to position players while they were Juniors?

nxt lvl ·
My son is a position player in his Jr year. He has gotten some attention by Hi Academic D1- D3 but have been told that they want to see a complete three years worth of semester grades inorder to move to the next level. They are very reserved in making any more movements beside that. At least to MY son. It is about transcripts of three full years I was told by a couple RCs. I am anxious to see if anyone has had the same experience.
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Re: When was your position player offered by any top academic? Any top academic offers to position players while they were Juniors?

2boydad ·
My older son is a sophomore outfielder at one of the "little ivies" to put things in perspective he was and still is 5'10'' an was running 6.7-6.9 s 60's depending on showcase and conditions. threw high 70's low 80's. He went to the Stanford All stars camp as a CF/P for rising Jrs and got some interest from a few d1s and d3's. no offers but some "we want to see and know you more" Sept 1 emails from d1's and "would you be interested in getting to know school"No real "offers" but did have his...
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keewart ·
2014 attends one of the D1 "public ivies". Plays MIF. Committed the summer between sophomore and junior years. He was playing 17u WWBA the first week of July on a field in the boonies, but several coaches were there. Son was up to bat, turned himself around to switch hit, and hit a bomb. One coach that was there, was not the head coach at the time, also attended an out of state tournament the next weekend and saw him again. He talked to son's travel coach after that event to set up an on...
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Matty ·
My son, who is a freshman at a D3, was first seen by his coach at HF in FL Fall of his junior year. He talked to his coach at a Top96 event that same Fall. Then in January they had a significant conversation about his grades, test scores and what kind of school he was looking for. The coach told him he needed to take a math and science SAT II and apply EA. Over the next few months, they kept in touch via email, and my son even got a hand-written note from the coach asking him to apply EA. We...
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smokeminside ·
Gov, you know my 2017 son's story; it closely parallels 2boydads, including SAT scores, size, and speed and what we heard from Ivy coaches, in particular, about what they want from their outfielders. Every high academic coach son dealt with (all private schools) became more interested after they heard his mid Junior year GPA and SAT scores. At that point we knew it was going to be about the baseball: if he was a good enough player, and they needed someone in his position, his academics were...
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Gov ·
Smoke, having done the HF Jupiter during junior year, as you did with your older one, my sense was if you had a big 88-90 arm as a junior you got some real attention. Vandy, Duke, William & Mary, Texas, and HPY were on the hunt to acquire top 2018 pitchers. I thought the combination of AZ Fall Junior Classic, then 3 weeks later to be at HF Jupiter would be a chance for my 2018 to be seen twice in front of the same group of coaches on his list. Son's tool is his glove with a line drive...
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Ripken Fan ·
Gov: Son recruited as MI/CF. Plays MI in college Offers ne High Academic D3 just prior to Junior year. One D1 (lower down on "Bogey's list") around start of HS season spring Jr year, 1 Middle of "Bogey's list" academic and one high Academic D1 (Ivy) mid summer prior to Senior Year. Another High Academic D3 offer came on Aug 1 before sr year, after son committed. Offers came after numerous sightings at Showcases (such as Top 96/Showball/HF). Start of junior year, list narrowed and he attended...
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JCG ·
Realist, on mobile devices the search function is located below your username once you click the menu icon. On desktop there's a search icon top right next to your avatar. RE AZ Fall Classic. This is a small family run business. I doubt the methodology is complicated. I'm guessing it's ACT + plus reputation of travel team. As for the Junior event, as of 2015, I was told by the owners that they were not turning any players away.
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SanDiegoRealist ·
Thanks JCG...i am working on a system that I cannot upgrade the web browser on and I can't see the search icon. Appreciate the tips and info on AZFC.
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Backstop22 ·
So my 2017 applied to be a part of this year's Senior All Academic game. His primary position is a catcher, but he also pitches a little bit now and then on his travel team. Once he confirmed with his travel team that we were in for the Senior Classic games, he then signed up on the web page. I want to say it was early July. He listed Catcher but they have a question if you are willing to be a pitcher if not selected for your primary position. He checked yes. As the date neared for them to...
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2019Dad ·
Does anyone know if the PSAT will suffice for the junior academic game -- in other words if the PSAT score was over 1200, is that good enough, or does the student have to have taken the SAT?
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DesertDuck ·
It is my belief that neither the GPA or test scores are verified (only need 1 off the 2 to "qualify" anyway). My 2018 participated in the Jr. Academic try-out's this year and his GPA was not verified (counselor @ school informed us she never received a call/email to verify), nor were we asked to submit his transcript. He has yet to take the SAT/ACT Honor system perhaps?
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smokeminside ·
That's my understanding, as well. Son was able to try out for both Jr. and Sr. academic games. We sent in GPA and one test score. Either would have passed their threshold. Neither were verified as far as we know.
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SanDiegoRealist ·
According to the College Board, if you take the PSAT your score had you taken the SAT on the same day would have been the same. So seems to me that a PSAT score would have the same validity.
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2019Dad ·
Yes, that is what the College Board states in the score report. And if you took the PSAT/NMSQT as a sophomore, there is quite a bit of "projectability" (to borrow a baseball term) -- most kids do significantly better 18 or 24 months later, particularly if they prep for the test. Edited to add: but I didn't know if some of these organizations are sticklers (like, "you haven't taken the SAT so it doesn't count") but from the posts above it doesn't sound like that is the case (no verification).
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Backstop22 ·
I guess it makes sense that they go on the honor system. It should be self-policing. When you fill in the All Academic game application, it asks for GPA and test scores. Then all of the coaches who attend get the roster of the kids trying out with the GPA and test scores listed (from what was put on the application). Let's say then that a kid does really well and a coach follows up with him afterword. Just like the follow up after HeadFirst (also on the honor system), the coach is going to...
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Gov ·
My son applied for the AZ Fall Junior Classic All Academic Tryout; we were told they accept most, if not all Juniors that apply, but it's helpful to include skills video, when in doubt, they will look at it. It's a family operation that has some true baseball guys involved. Given we were traveling for a one day event, my son was offering them as much material as he could to increase his chances of making the All Academic Team. (I was told they did look at my son's video and he did make the...
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