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Congratulations on your son's strong summer. IMHO I don't think rankings of any kind are a good way to lead with college coaches. It's much better to lead with his abilities and quantifiable improvements (how did he get better, bigger, faster, stronger this spring/summer?).
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College coaches are looking at measurables and intangibles, not rankings. Rankings are subjective.
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I am in agreement with PTWood. I don't think that this matters much to coaches, no matter which division.
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Hey All...not a big fan of PG and PBR rankings but my son just went from PG follow to high follow after a strong summer. Is this worth calling out with recent video to coaches or Does this only merit including in email if Top 1000? Son is looking at DIIIs.
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Agree with all of the above. Rankings are nice but that’s all they are. And they are less important in D3 baseball than anywhere else.
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It’s a list. Scouts use lists. One list to check against another list. That’s checked against some other list. That’s then parsed by something, broken down into pieces, Joined with other data, then put back into another list. Then the scout goes and watches those on the list. Some get crossed off the list, others moved to another list. Phone calls are made. The scout writes a report off of the players on one of the lists. The report gets submitted with other reports and a new list is formed.
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2024 son did his first ever showcase in the spring. We had a good idea that he would put up some good numbers and PG gave him a good grade. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago when PG updated their 2024 rankings. He was ranked by PG near the back end of the top 100. Within a week a few power 5 coaches have reached out to his HS coach and he has had a couple of calls. As much as I have mixed feelings on showcases and don't have any intentions of paying for another one, in this instance I...
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Congratulations @bruins11 son. Super exciting times and good luck with your search. I would still say that I would not lead a communication with a college coach with a ranking. According to PG, Aaron Judge was ranked 147 coming out of HS. At one point there was literally a 200 person difference between PTWoodson's ranking with PBR and PG. Rankings are great but what you do on (and off) the field and what you do for your team is what is going to get you offers and ultimately playing time...
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That’s awesome for you and your son. That means you are in the % of people that benefit from the PG showcase model. Your player showed good ability, your expenses generated results, and the experience is worth every penny. That’s exactly what you hope for. But you are in the minority. Doesn’t work like this for most people.
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Thanks adbono and PTWood. He is excited and to be honest a little overwhelmed. This board and the great feedback from members like you guys has been extremely helpful in giving us an idea of what the recruiting process is all about and what to expect. Totally agree that one should never mention ranking when talking to a college coach. Even with all the flaws and issues with the rankings, I just wanted to highlight our experience to date and that the PG machine can be used to ones advantage...
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Hi, I think the most value is if you enjoy following all this stuff, almost like a Baseball America subscription. Other than that, from a recruit standpoint, I think investing in websites like Field Level are a better recruiting bang for your buck.
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I don’t think college coaches care about PG Rankings My son became ranked by PG the day after he committed to a college.
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Thank you for the comments. Dont care a ton about the rankings other than making it a little easier to compare him to kids (as much as one can from a data/measurable pov). Son is a 2022 so time is of the essence. 1. As a fan I do enjoy these things...not knowing if its worth $250/yr but feel like a month for $30 a couple of times a year might be worthwhile. 2. Are there any sort features for measurables and other stuff? Any usable features or sorts when looking at commitments to specific...
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@used2lurk I don’t have it either but a friend does and sends us stuff sometimes. It gives you more access to full articles and you can do things like click on the recruiting class and see everyone’s ranking without having to drill into the player’s page (you can see someone’s ranking without it by going to their page and clicking on “awards”). I’m not sure what else...
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Tell please me (someone) who has done the monthly or yearly Perfect Game Premium membership thing what the value is. I can only see that it allows you to see beyond the top 10 ranked prospects and allows you to see high follows, top players in each state (according to somebody). What else is there other than seeing game/tourney results? Thank you!
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Hi: I used PG often to track high academic schools past commits to see how my sons measurable stacked up. He is a pitcher. PG is more useful and has value from that perspective as it has a lot of info in one place. Sounds like your son and mine are similar academically. The advice I would give you is keep an open mind. WE targeted Ivies first but as RHP you need to be cruising upper 80s minimum or a sidearm/unique guy to get a sniff mostly so we pivoted to DIIIs with great academics. My son...
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You get to look up opposing pitchers/player and tell whoever is sitting next to you this guy is the 37th ranked Lefthander in the state of Idaho and ran a 7.8 60 when he was fourteen. That'll let the other parents know you're a nut and keep them away from you. Trust me.
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I would have to say in my son's case that a recent PG showcase really helped him out recruiting wise. A good writeup combined with some good numbers and he was getting a few text from coaches the night of the showcase. I think more important is connecting with a damn good select organization with connections. It did seem that it was a big help thou that his select coaches had the numbers, video, and writeup to go with their opinion. This Covid situation has made the whole recruitment process...
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If the travel coach can't/won't give a strong recommendation, then you need to re-think something.
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I often wonder what my son would have scored on a PG showcase. I’m betting fairly low or whatever they give for the lesser projectable participants. I can only go by the way they covered him during HS and the words they used/ didn’t use the few times he got any press. I’ve said it previously, as an uneducated Dad at the time I received my son’s invite or my invite to pay and I scoffed at it. $600 what, huh?!?!? Anyway, I saw plenty of friends and Dads taking their sons to them and I was...
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Unfortunately, I think the pandemic has temporarily made PG, PBR, and PW more important. College coaches trying to recruit have not been able to see players in person for about a year now. They’ve had to recruit solely based on video, rankings and reports from these organizations, and conversations with HS and travel ball coaches. Under normal circumstances, College coaches trust their eyes and not another organization’s ranking. But these are weird times. For the same reasons, a case can be...
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Bolded the important part. The write up means almost zero to college coaches. Put up the right numbers and coaches will contact you.
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There was a kid my son played with in Travel Ball. They both played the same position and were fairly even in talent, by most accounts, and it was always a tough decision by the Travel Coaches as to who would end up on the A Team and who would end up on the B Team. That kid’s Dad was convinced his son was a D1 talent. I was convinced that I grew up as a Basketball player, could teach anyone about step back 3 mechanics and crossover dribbles, but that the powers that be in college Baseball...
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Definitely helps you see game and tourney stats and history and across different signing class players and schools when you're researching schools to see where your son may fall in line at a particular school based on metrics you can see with the $30/month one. Useful to know if you're targeting a school where you'll be 6 out of 8 or 2 out of 6 in the depth chart based on various stats and guesses. The PG class rankings are also just math. Those with more in their class, that also can...
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Vandy should be winning every year along with Stanford, regardless of coaching. That’s why I love baseball, it finds a way to reward execution, hustle and ultimately the character of the program....luck, fate , preparation of whatever the baseball gods find a way to even it out.
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When you read this you realize the rich keep getting richer. I'm not blaming anyone, especially the big dogs, but it is reality in college sports. Once you have the advantage it is easy to keep it. I do think Vandy has a definite edge over almost everyone else when they can almost give full rides to everyone with athletic or academic or grant money. But that is the system and if I was Vandy I would definitely use it.
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Yep, math and momentum. Same with Stanford. The endowment makes that place super affordable, in a ridiculous way. Crazy how Vandy is "cheaper" with "Opportunity Vanderbilt" than the a state school like UnivTN (so people don't get their UT's confused. LOL)
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If your ‘21 son is already committed rankings aren’t going to matter one way or another. If he isn’t committed a move up in rankings, at this late date, isn’t going to help him. 2021 recruiting classes are smaller than usual at many schools as hardly anyone actually needs more players. There is very little baseball $ left to give at competitive D1 & D2 programs. Taking a walk on deal as a ‘21 is a recipe for disaster as you will be competing against 5 recruiting classes of scholarship...
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you will after a few of the select showcases and MLK tourneys and the HS tourneys coming up early season (that only benefit those that participated). The next big PG update after that, typically is mid/end of June....after everyone gets a chance to play and participate in tourneys.....
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So, PG rankings for 21’s were last updated 11/03/20. Should we expect to see them updated again soon? My son’s profile shows a national and state rank, but he’s not in “the” rankings.
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that's my bad, you gave me great advice -- will write something up about the journey to date.
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Note, I emailed PG and they responded in a couple minutes - they plan to update the rankings this month.
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You are correct that you sent me a PM about his options but (after reading it again) I don’t see that I ever heard about a commitment being made. So I was not aware of that until now. Anyway, glad it worked out.
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Hey Adbono, got it. He committed in November after PG, I think I PM'd you about it and it all worked out well. I don't have any expectations that the rankings matter to anyone at this point, but they are part of the product I bought from PG and I want them
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I know my kid really wants to find a post/tweet/IG/tiktok etc. from someone stating they got an offer because of their PG/PBR ranking. He needs the proof so he can show up his rank hatin' old man.
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Son had his grade update from the PGME in Dec on Mon. Yesterday his ranking disappeared and was replaced with “Not Ranked”. So it seems something is in the works...