Tagged With "interest"

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Preparing for a camp

njbaseballkid2015 ·
I have interest in a school and have attended camps in the past for the school. While the schools assistants have been pleased with me, They've never seemed to be blown away. I have a month until the camp, and have been preparing like crazy, lifting...
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Visit

njbaseballkid2015 ·
I am going on a visit to a school I have interest in. Have attended prospect camps in past where the coach has been there. Emailed the recruiting coordinator a week or two ago expressing interest in school but said nothing about the visit. Should I...
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Standard Camp Invite or Genuine Interest

PlayWithEffort ·
I didn’t know whether to add this question to the “Define Recruited” thread or one of the many camp invite discussions. So, I started a new topic since many of the camp advice topics precede the recent rule change regarding contact before Sept. 1st of junior year. My son, a 2021, received a DM on Twitter from an assistant coach inviting him to an upcoming prospect camp. It was specifically a camp invite saying their staff would love for him to attend the camp and they were looking forward to...
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cabbagedad ·
Probably a good indication.... unless it looks like girl's writing, gets his name wrong and asks him to come to camp for just $299 Usually, a personal hand written is a good sign but those sneaky marketing departments these days... depends what it says.
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CoachB25 ·
I thought that a D-I College Coach could not contact a freshman or sophomore recruit either by phone or letter. Am I wrong on this?
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dag3451 ·
It is mailed to the school to the high school coach in regards to the player.
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Rick at Informed Athlete ·
DAG, as a former D1 compliance director, I'm curious to know (although I don't expect you to say publicly) whether the letter was written to the coach about your son (which I would view as borderline acceptable), or whether it was written as if being sent directly to your son (crossing the line in my opinion)? Congrats to your son on getting that level of interest as a sophomore! However, if a coach is playing loose with the rules while recruiting your son, will he be playing loose with...
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fenwaysouth ·
Yes, if you are interested in learning more about the program. Give them your tour schedule and request available time. If they aren't available you may want to stick around and watch a practice. It never hurts to get as much information as possible.
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baseballhs ·
If it is from an assistant I would say legit, if it is from the Director of Baseball Operations, probably not worth it.
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PlayWithEffort ·
Thanks. He’s a volunteer assistant that was recently hired on. I know volunteer assistants depend on camp money for income but I thought it was interesting that he had been a recruiting coordinator at his last school. I guess this new opportunity was good enough to make the move. That would also put pressure to get more camp revenue, I guess. Anyway, I’m getting off topic. So, I know my son can ask questions about the camp but I’m trying to determine if we glean more information about any...
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BishopLeftiesDad ·
Even with the new rules some of the same questions are still valid: Is it a school I am interested in? (size, location, has my major, Etc...) Do I have a realistic chance at succeeding academically at that school? Do I have the academic background and grades to be successful. Is it a school I would be interested in if it were not for baseball? How high is the school on my list? What is the cost, and can I afford the total cost of traveling to the camp. (Bang for your buck) Athletically how...
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baseballhs ·
I would ask questions. I’m probably cynical due to our experience which may not be everyone’s. Last summer my son got a DM from a school (director of baseball operations) about a camp and it was a school he could have attended I think and it was logistically a good fit. We rearranged things to make it work and when we got there, they had no idea he was there and didn’t talk to him at all. Son had sent aDM back that he would attend. The camp ended, we came home and sent an email with stats...
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PlayWithEffort ·
Thanks!
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CmassRHPDad ·
Does your son know the coach? Have they spoken before prior to this invite or did the DM arrive out of the blue? If so I would say it's a generic invitation. My son dealt with many of these with polite responses stating he is interested would like to attend but travel may be a problem and see what kid of response he got. Sometimes they disappeared, sometimes it initiates a legitimate dialog with a coach. Best case it would get the coaches attention prior to the camp so they know to look for...
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Smitty28 ·
I think this is a good list to vet camp invites. One point I would add is this - has the coach seen your son play and has there been some interest expressed? I'd guess the answer is no. I would not waste time on a school camp unless there is specific interest in your son, or it is the 11th hour (for a '21 it is not). Otherwise you are more than likely wasting time and money - JMO.
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CmassRHPDad ·
I would say the one exception to this is if the camp hosts multiple schools/coaches, AND your player has communicated with coaches beforehand AND they are looking for him. For example BC and Northeastern each host annual winter camps and have multiple coaches from local schools in attendance. Cost was not too crazy, and my son was able to get good dialogs going with several coaches this way. Boston College Spring Training Prospect Clinic http://collegebaseballcamps.com/bceagles/
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baseballhs ·
I think there are a lot of exceptions to this, but I know most people here do not like camps. If you are not on a power team (and everyone will say it is a mistake not to be), then it is a good way to be seen by target schools. My son did not want to leave his friends. They don't go to his school and were his best friends who he had played with since 8 years old. Our route for recruiting included showcases and camps. My son went to two SEC camps with no prior dialogue and had weekly...
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joes87 ·
I cant speak for everyone, but I don't think folks universally dismiss camps. They can be a useful tool. IMO most folks get that impression off this board, but the usual take on camps is they can be good, but don't "cold call" the camps and expect to have the phone ringing off the hook by the time you leave. Most camps are used to make money for the ACs. Secondarily they are used to vet players. If a player has had previous contact with the school, the school has interest in seeing the...
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CmassRHPDad ·
I'm not sure abt this after having been through it. My son played for a power team his 16U summer as a rising Junior. Yes he attended lots of big events and got to play against some great competition, but he was a Pitcher-Only on a roster of abt 28 kids and he was buried in the bullpen. He saw few innings and the games he pitched did not get much visibility. Once we found him a pitching coach who he really connected with and he started seeing gains in his development, my son felt a loyalty...
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baseballhs ·
We did fine too and our 16U team may not have even won 50% of our games. If you make your recruiting plan around it, you can end up as good or better I think. I spoke to one dad last summer whose son (16U) didn't even play for a summer team. He worked out during the week and did invitational events and showcases and he had a lot of P5 offers. He committed last month to a strong program.
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CmassRHPDad ·
Everyone's path is different! We see that repeated here over and over!
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CTbballDad ·
My son only did camps, didn't go to any big showcase or play for a power team, yet he received multiple D1 offers. In hindsight, maybe he would have had even more offers if we did, but he was offered to his first choice and I don't think he would have chosen differently. I agree everyone's path is different, therefore, maybe do a mix of all. I also agree not to go to camps blind. Communicate beforehand so coaches know who you are and are watching you.
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RoadRunner ·
Camps were useful for my 2017 position player. He did not end up at any of the schools where he attended, however. The 1st camp attended had 3 different levels of coaching present. He did contact the host school 1st, as he did with all others. He asked specific questions about the camp and gave specific information about himself. After each camp he attended, the schools did show various levels of interest. The most useful part of attending camps for him was that it helped him to determine...
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KilroyJ ·
I could have written this exact same email. Wonder if it's the same "coach"? The one in my son's case has been with 4 different schools since and he emailed him from each one, despite ignoring him when he saw him in person!
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KilroyJ ·
Utimately it was a camp that got my son his offer, but it was a very specific circumstance where the coach had seen him at the PBR Futures games the week before and called him on the way home saying "you're still coming to the camp, right?"
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GaryMe ·
What folks need to understand is that these camps/showcases etc are businesses first and foremost. They are there to generate revenue whether the money goes to a private enterprise (like PG), or a college baseball program. They want to fill the camp, period. They will do it any way they can. They do not care to what degree the player/family would have to go to get there. They will send emails like the one below my son got this week, he hasn't even played in a PG event this year, only been to...
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RoadRunner ·
Let’s not hijack the thread and turn it into another beat up on PG/Jerry Ford thread, please.
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GaryMe ·
I'm not...the point is these camps and showcases need to be seen for what they are, a revenue stream. I also agreed with what bishopleftiesdad said earlier in the post...so apparently you only have a problem with me pointing out that PG is telling my son he's had a great year when in fact they haven't seen him. So being disingenuous and deceitful in their advertising is ok with you...that's fine.
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baseballhs ·
This has been hashed and rehashed. They didn’t work for you, they did work for us. Everyone’s experience is different.
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GaryMe ·
The point of the OP is legitimacy of the invitation. My point is buyer beware.
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Chico Escuela ·
If your son plays summer and fall travel ball (like my kid), then I assume that there are only a couple of open weekends. This fall was pretty typical: two weekends with no tournament scheduled in September and October (reduced to one weekend after a rainout and a make-up event). It turned out there were no camps of interest on that one weekend. I don't think son's coach would get bent out of shape if he skipped a typical weekend tournament to go to a camp at a school that was actively...
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Chico Escuela ·
Meant to add (before I posted what admittedly was off-topic from the OP): I think a Twitter DM indicates some level of interest greater than an email. Email addresses get bought and sold in bulk, and camp invites get blast mailed to those lists. I haven't heard of someone doing anything similar with lists of Twitter handles. So yes, I think a DM suggests someone is actually aware of your son. But IMO, it's not enough to go to a camp without some other indications of interest. I'd at least...
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Prepster ·
Coaches recognize that players have pretty crowded schedules, which is one of the reasons that you see so many camps scheduled in the late fall and over the holidays. They also tend to value the attendance of a player who fits their program's profile when it's known that the player is missing one of his team's events in order to be there. Without getting into semantics over terms like "major," I think the coaches tend to view camps as an important piece of the recruiting equation because...
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PitchingFan ·
Technology has changed and twitter DM's are becoming the new emails because people perceive they are personal and not generated but they can be. New software for coaches has DM's as an option along with snapchat and instagram. The newest is a snapchat from practice with a note inviting them to a camp. No one assumes you can mass generate snapchats but you can through the newer recruiting software. We only had success with two camps and both were the same. We received information from the RC...
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Chico Escuela ·
Maybe it's just the luck of the draw, but of ~5 schools where it might make sense for my son to attend a camp, all are scheduled for October or the first weekend in November. (The first weekend in Nov. is when Showball and Headfirst have their Florida sessions, so going to camp then would mean missing the chance to play in front of many other schools.) It's very possible I'm just approaching this the wrong way, or maybe my son just hasn't progressed far enough in the process yet...
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BishopLeftiesDad ·
Each persons path is different. Not everybody Goes to Showball or Headfirst. It all depends on your goals. As always on these things your mileage may very.
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cabbagedad ·
Hey Chico, just checking your logic on this, particularly the bolded... Sounds like your son is with a good travel team that is getting him to events where he is getting notice. That's awesome. But, isn't that one of, if not the primary purpose of travel ball when a player is recruiting age? ...to get seen and recruited? Admittedly, the "camp" world covers the full range of purpose and effectiveness, mostly being as is so often stated here - a fundraiser for school and assistants. But,...
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d-mac ·
PWE, coaches seem to be using some pretty low tactics these days. I had my son respond to some of the camp invites the other day. Most were generic invites but some were listed as "we have identified you as a top prospect". One invite was a lot different than the rest and the next day there was an invite to their Fall game (but also threw in another camp invite) and requested videos, schedule and included his cell. He responded to 16 schools stating that he plays football in the Fall and...
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baseballhs ·
Why would you assume they aren’t interested or it’s a tactic?
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Chico Escuela ·
I think we are on the same page. My son's travel club does well (and fairly) by its players from what I have seen. If it made sense for my son to miss a couple of weekends to go to camps, I don't think his coaches would have a problem with that. But I do think it's reasonable to expect a player who commits to a team to try to attend most of its games, which is a big reason why most camp invites are non-starters for my kid. Teams and players ought to be able to figure out reasonable paths for...
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d-mac ·
The 2nd part I don't think is a tactic. All of them in the top group are, imo.
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PitchingFan ·
What do you consider low tactics? I had to remind myself that recruiting is a two-way street. As a parent and player, I'm doing everything I can to help my son be seen. As a coach, they are doing everything they can to see the right players, plus make money for AC/VC. It takes 100 emails to get the right response for us and it takes 1,000 emails for them to get the right player. Understand there are players that should know they are not D1 or P5 players that dish out the money for every camp...
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d-mac ·
I think anytime a coach says "We've identified you as a top prospect", "your name was recommended to me", or "we recently saw you play at PG Event XYZ" (even though you were on a roster but didn't attend). I think all of those are low tactics. It seems to be happening more and more. Don't make a kid/family feel like they are being recruited so that your VC can make an extra $100. We have this board to sort through and educate ourselves. A lot of people don't and they just go to the camp and...
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Prepster ·
Unless we're talking about pro-rating a camp fee because the camper couldn't attend the entire session, a reduced camp fee for a recruited player is a clear violation of NCAA regulations. Any coach who takes the annual compliance exam as required by the NCAA ought to know better than to offer that.
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d-mac ·
It is a violation, but it happens all the time.
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PitchingFan ·
One was officially run as PBR Camp and the other he went as a PO for one day of 2 day camp so that is probably why both were legal. I will agree with the last statement of we say you play at XYZ when they did not is wrong but saying we see you as a prospect or we would love to see you play is not in my opinion. I understand the frustration but I also realize it is their job and my job is to vet the camps. When I go without vetting it, then I have wasted my money not them taking it. I get...
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Prepster ·
It actually doesn't; not among DI programs, at least. As PitchingFan's clarification illustrates, it happens quite a bit at the many camps run by privately-run organizations; many of which employ college assistants as instructors and have the feel of college camps. ...and, as his other example verifies, they can be and routinely are reduced when campers' schedules prevent them from attending the entire camp.
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Chico Escuela ·
PitchingFan: Not trying to challenge you; just curious-- What do you base the above on re: mass targeting for Twitter DMs and Snapchat/Instagram messages? Maybe you work in a related industry or have an article link you could share? It makes sense that someone would develop the ability to target these media, since there are $$ to be made. I just hadn't heard of DMs as targeted marketing, at least not for users as small as college baseball camps. (I also don't use social media much at all...)
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PitchingFan ·
This is an article that I read recently for using marketing through DM's. I am involved in the Supplemental Insurance Industry along with being a pastor. My curiosity was raised when I started receiving DM's through several social media outlets for church and insurance stuff. I asked my son who is a college softball coach and he confirmed that there are larger programs that are beginning to use it on a regular basis. The technology is still not cheap but the bigger soliciting programs have...
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GaryMe ·
Looks like a lot of people are trying to take advantage of these audiences. Her is one from a simple google search. https://bigbangram.com/blog/ho...sages-practical-tips
 
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