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Re: Uncommitted 2022 C - Showcase Camp/Recruiting Questions
I'm struggling to understand why nobody but Smitty28 suggested D3 HAs given the young man is at a prep school with great academics listed and we're right in the middle of that recruiting time frame? GSully1 - was D3 HAs ever a consideration? Did your son's travel coach provide any guidance or willingness to reach out to college programs on your behalf?
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@GSully1 - as mentioned earlier...I wish you and your son the best of luck. And, I admire your patience and calmness. (I would be freaking out right now.) There's a lot to consider: + The roster saturation due to the NCAA's pandemic reaction. + Just two months until NLI day. + Just about 9 months left until HS graduation. Don't discount the marketplace. I have lost count on how many 2020s, 2021s and 2022s we know personally who waited too long and then had to pivot to a Plan B that was way...
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If you are in PA and solid player with good grades but can’t find a good fit in D3 baseball you aren’t trying very hard, IMO. There are literally a hundred or so within hours of you. Ok back to the vodka….
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Good to know. FDU was looking at my son but told him about a month ago they were not going to offer any $$ to a 2022 C. A young man committed there shortly after my son was informed of the decision. Assume the player is going without baseball $$ but don't know for sure.
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For a point of reference, NJ dot com just did a report on who is committed in NJ. They had twenty 2022 catchers on their committed list - 14 D1, two D2, two D3 and two JUCO. (Some of the D1s were really low ranking D1s...like UMBC, etc.)
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FDU will be very interesting. Looks like the coach is modifying their recruiting strategy "The newcomers consist of 13 freshmen and ten transfer students featuring three catchers, three outfielders, six infielders and 11 pitchers. " Speaking to somebody in the know, the coach is a very good recruiter, thus you might see more sourced from JUCOs vs High School. Remember he can pick from Rowan of South Jersey,Rowan of SJ-Cumberland , Mercer Community or Lackawanna, just to name a few. Will need...
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I would be very surprised if they were funded in any capacity to begin with
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Update on the NJ 2022 Catchers. 24 are committed I got 7 more that I know of that are not committed yet but consider themselves college prospects. 3 others have reclassed to 2023. Of the 24: 14 are D1 3 are D2 5 are D3 2 are Juco
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Update: after receiving offers from a couple of top D2 programs, one of which went to the CWS recently, son committed this week to another top D2 school, also went to the CWS recently. It’s been a long and winding road. He’s happy, will get a shot at playing right away, and receive a solid education.
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Congrats @GSully1! Glad to hear it. The easy part is behind you. Now comes the fun!
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Apologies, I am confused. Your son verbally committed, right? What is the mention of deadline regarding? I’m very sorry the offer was pulled, I’m just curious as to what the deadline issue was.
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Post script: son reached out to coaches he’s been talking to including the coach at the other highly successful D2 program. The coach informed him they didn’t have a spot for him anymore and good luck. They never provided a deadline nor contacted son to inform him the offer was pulled.
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@GSully1 I am so very sorry to hear this. Unscrupulous to say the least.
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I wonder whether the "other" school got wind he took the offer and just pulled theirs afterwards to save face?
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Sons in great shape with the school he committed to. The HC has watched him play since he was 12. Verbally committed, all is good. This other school pulled he offer without telling him. Never told son they had a deadline either. Unscrupulous for sure.
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Question for others reading/involved in this thread. Once one commits to a JUCO are there the same "rules" or terms as committing to a D1 (or other level school)? Is the NLI binding in the same way? If feels as if I have heard something about opting out of a JUCO commitment for D1 but I am unsure on where or who I may have heard this from.
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Completely agree about communicating with schools @T_Thomas . I misread the original post and thought that the school he committed to pulled the offer without communication.
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It’s possible but unlikely given the timing of their offer v. The one he accepted. It all has worked out just fine for my son.
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That's good @GSully1 Again...congratulations and good luck!
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How much time passed between the verbal offer (the one he didn't take and the school pulled) and when your son reached out to them and found out the offer had been pulled. I have no desire to condone that coach's behavior, but the timeline is a key component of the equation. A good buddy of mine has a 2022 that just committed 2 weeks ago. He's had half a dozen offers since June but he dragged his feet with little to no active intention behind it. I advised against the approach. Just because...
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Re: Danj post, my son told the coach he planned to make a decision the week of NLI; the coach said that works for him. My son got back to him within the timeframe agreed to and found out they didn’t have a spot. Good that he chose the other school, which has been to the CWS 2 out of the last 3 years it’s been held. Reasons for sharing are twofold: golden rule, he wanted to let the coaches with whom he had developed relationships know he made a decision (to TThomas’s point), and to not burn...
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Just for the benefit of others reading this, once a player accepts an offer and commits to a school, it is always considered a good practice to notify other schools who are recruiting him. I know that personally my son called all the coaches he was communicating with before he even told his friends or posted anything. He received many thanks and well-wishes from these coaches. It's always smart to try to stay on good terms with everyone you meet along the journey, because chances are very...
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He committed 2 days after November NLI day. The school he’s going to has been slow to work out their 2022 scholarships due to COVID red shirts per the HC. We are not concerned as this program typically is active now through the start of the spring season recruiting HS seniors. Plus we have an excellent long term relationship with the HC and staff.
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@GSully1 - as it's a D2 and your son is a 2022, why is he committed but not yet signed? NLI day was 8 days ago. Are you waiting to sign it or have they not yet provided the NLI? If it's the latter, has the school provided an explanation on the delay? (I know you still have many months left before you have to sign. Just wondering why anyone would wait in today's climate.)
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Prospect Camp Invite Out Of The Blue?
My 2024 senior, who has done almost nothing to appear on the radar of college coaches, got an invite to a prospect camp out of nowhere. The camp is for a small, highly rejective (<10% acceptance rate) division III school about two hours away from us. My son has played baseball his whole life, but he hasn't yet played varsity and is hoping to make that team this year. ??? You see why I'm a little confused. They only thing I can figure is that maybe they've seen... his grades? We consented...
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Welcome to the site! I really doubt a baseball team could have seen his transcript sent to state schools for academic purposes. Is your son interested in playing in college? If he were, surely he would have been doing something about it this summer. Do you think the high school baseball coach might have sent in his name? Does he have a travel coach who might have done so? Can he ask them? Since there are only seven D3 baseball schools in California, they are in high demand; the academically...
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He didn't play ball this summer. He had to have a minor procedure on his foot, attend to the requisite rest period, and then he was off on a backpacking trip with his scout troop for two and half weeks. That is among the reasons we were baffled at this invitation. No varsity record, no time in front of CMS coaches... His high school coach told us that the assistant coach position at CMS might be unpaid, and filling camps might yield compensation for this coach. Regardless, he encouraged our...
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Sorry I'm late to this but a couple of comments: 1) The Claremont schools' (CMS/P-P) rosters are relatively small. Admissions may be screening for full paying folks who fit their academic profile to admit overall but I kinda doubt if that fits into Walkenbach's formula for building a competitive team. These high academic baseball coaches and the schools they work for offer maybe 8 or so, on average, admission slots to athletes each year. So, if your son gets a commitment from Walkenbach...
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Thank you so much, everyone, for your thoughts. My son has revealed, since getting this message (through the FieldLevel portal), that he *would* like to play baseball in college, even though he told us the opposite last year. The truth, he said, was that he had just assumed he wouldn't be able to. I think he based this on his perception on his ability relative to his peers, and counted himself out. And that broke my heart. But we are where we are now. Yes, I guess it's pretty easy to figure...
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Ah, so he had a Field Level profile, and a HS coach who was at least minimally aware. I think that your evaluation of the situation is exactly right. If your son did nothing regarding baseball recruiting until this message (did he play baseball this summer?), then he might ask his high school coach what he thinks the prospects of playing there, or anywhere, are. HA schools offer their top recruits a boost with admissions if they apply Early Decision. The HA timeline is that for the most...
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Baseballmom2024, Agree with @anotherparent . If he is interested, he needs to pick up the phone and solve the mystery. He'll want to ask questions about the nature of the camp (recruitment or skills development). Until he does that, I wouldn't take it seriously at all. It doesn't take too much imagination to figure out which schools are at the top of the list of seven, given the acceptance rate you mentioned. It may be worthwhile to check into the school a little more for this reason....my...
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Is it a form letter or a personal letter? If there's an unsubscribe option in an email, it's a form letter. There is no interest in your son if it's a form letter. Your son can also reply and ask where they saw him at or any other polite reply to see if the coach responds. No response, it's not personal. If it's not personal, his chance of getting noticed is pretty small unless he does something amazing. You can also google the camp and see what people say about it. Some are well run camps...
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We haven't, but I don't think it aligns with what he's looking for in a school. Baseball aside, he'd prefer a larger school, not religiously affiliated, and with a low acceptance rate (very competitive admissions). To be clear, though, I also don't think he's a competitive candidate for a D2 team. So, probably not a good fit for a couple of different reasons.
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Is this a place your son would want to attend college without baseball? Keep in mind he hasn’t even made high school varsity heading into senior year. And he’s “hoping” to make varsity senior year. Is the baseball program successful? Why are they interested in your son out of the blue? Keep in mind at some D3’s coaches receive bonuses for recruiting full paying students whether they end up playing or not.
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If the school is a place he wants to go to college and baseball helps him get in go for it regardless of whether he ends up rostered. If the coach tells him get admitted on your own and you’re on the team be leery it’s about the coach getting a recruiting bonus. Unless your son likes hanging with baseball players and practicing there isn’t value in being player #25-35 on a roster.
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Baseballmom have you evaluate Westmont in Santa BArbara? Now Div 2 Bob..
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You're preaching to the choir, PABaseball. But we have decided to support his desire to attend as a gesture of confidence in his discernment. He's a pragmatic kid - he was just as shocked as we were to see this invite come through the portal. To say that he is not overconfident would be complete understatement. He knows where he stands relative to the other players. In fact, to put a finer point on it, his hs coach pointed out that one of the students currently on the roster is a former...
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Is his HS team better than this program where you got the camp invite? Being in California it definitely is possible, especially SoCal with schools like JSerra, ND, De La Salle, etc. If he's not at some powerhouse HS that wins and has a logjam of talented players I wouldn't even be considering college baseball. The prerequisite to being a college player is being a standout HS player. Respectfully, not only is he not excelling amongst his peers, he hasn't made the team yet. Unless this school...
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If you/he decide to attend the camp, you need to find an advocate for him to contact the coach before the camp. Travel coach, high school coach, some scout that the head coach will listen to. An advocate can call the coach and talk him up before the camp and make sure your son gets more than a cursory glance. Your son will go from needing to do something outstanding to get noticed to just needing to be really good because the coaches are paying attention.
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You know what? I reminded him of that after reading your comment. Thanks for re-planting that seed.
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Sounds like you have a good kid. If he wants to do it just to say he did it it sounds like he deserves a fun opportunity. Best of luck, hopefully it works out. Not too late to shoot an email over to CalTech.
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My 2025 received a message about the upcoming CMS camp through Fieldlevel that looked like this. Is this what he got? Or was it more personalized? 2025 is known to them through Showball, emails to them, prospect questionaire. I know they checked out his profile and video. But we view this as pretty generic and not really a sign of interest. Your 2024 sounds like he has the academic chops to get in without baseball so maybe if he wants to possibly be a part of a team he should check it out.
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It's that same exact message. An it's correct to assume that our son is not a recruit by any definition of the word. This was - in case I haven't been specific enough - LITERALLY the first communication from any school he has ever received about baseball. It came out of thin air. That's the only reason I came here to ask about it. And I'm glad I did because, not only have the responses solidified our sense that it's a complete long shot, regardless, but this also seems to be the most chill,...
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Hang around long enough and someone will get testy. Kinda fun to watch when that happens. Go back a few years and check out "The Elephant in the Room" thread. Cataclysmic. But, actually, with good reason. It was a stressful time.
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No way I'm going to read all 20 pages of COVID stress... It impacted me in some very personal non sports related ways, oddly, it may have actually helped my ballplayer, and I feel for every athlete and their parents that got hosed. I think respectful conflict is the foundation of learning...
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Aw, man. And here I thought I’d found utopia. I think I’ll just remain blissfully ignorant.