07's vs 08's vs 09's

Johnny G,

Good Morning, stats are great and the last discussion did open my eyes a little to some things I hadn't considered about the 08's. I'll continue to pay more attention to the 08's.

I'm glad for the Blackhawks success as well. Is that the same Blackhawks that played in the BBI 16's Premier League last year, that went 5-8- 1? If so, then they didn't lose another game all year?

You did say they went 27 - 8-1 right?

As for Area Stat, please don't make general statements that can be proved wrong. Not that the the DMN is good but they are still better than the FTST. Your 08's out number the 07's but they do give a fair showwing of their selves and I have nothting to compare them to but I will look again next year to see how they hold up against the 09 in comparison.

In general, after discussing this with someone that knows player talent ( I only guess and go on gut) and getting their take on the Classes, I stand by my original thoughts.

The 07's are a stout class - Excellent,

The 08's not as good - Average,

The 09's a chance to match-up to the 07's.

Maybe the 08's are better than the 06's, 05's and 10's, I don't know I haven't been paying attention long enough to make that call. It is very possible that injuries and a lack of development will keep the 09's from even being as good as the 08's turn out to be.

I will give you this, the 08's do seem to be a class with kids that are working hard to be better to catch-up to the leaders in their 08 Class, because I can't deny there are some excellent 08 Summers teams, just not a lot....yet

Here are the facts:

Batting Average - 12 -07's , 7 -08's and yes only 2 - 09's

RBI's 14 - 07's , 8 - 08's and yes only 2 09's.

There are some players I don't know and couldn't find the profiles on, someone please feel free to fill in the blanks.

Batter, team AVG
Cody Gambill, Allen -07 0.571
Beau Poston, Arl. Bowie 0.542
Heath Stuckey, Arl. Bowie 0.54
Michael Choice, Mans. Timber -07 0.537
Wade Venett, Wylie - 08 0.529
Jake Luce, Allen - 07 0.529
Matt Reynolds, Coppell -08 0.528
Brandon Paletta, Rich. Berkner - 07 0.526
Cole Green, Coppell - 07 0.524
Tim Maitland, Coll. Heritage - 08 0.521
Alex Yarbrough, Allen - 09 0.5
Daniel Jordan, Wylie -09 0.5
Chris Herbert, Coll. Heritage - 07 0.49
Harrison Crain, Sachse - 08 0.476
Kenny Gilbert, DeSoto - 07 0.469
Will Keiser, Arl. Martin -07 0.469
Cooper Chambers, Allen - 08 0.465
Jordan Imhoff, Arl. Martin - 08 0.463
Tant Shepherd, Flower Mound - 07 0.462
Jacob House, Mans. Timber - 07 0.457
Quinton Haynes, Cedar Hill 0.457
Stephen Greenwood, So. Garland -07 0.455
Jonathan Kaskow, Coppell 0.455
Kyle Kubitza, Coll. Heritage -08 0.455
Wes Smith, Hurst Bell -07 0.451


Player, team No.
Jordan Imhoff, Arl. Martin -08 30
Will Keiser, Arl. Martin - 07 30
Wayne Harris, Wylie - 07 26
Harrison Law, Arl. Martin - 07 25
Daniel Jordan, Wylie -09 24
Kane Kimrey, Rowlett - 07 23
Jake Schrader, Haltom -08 22
Cody Gambill, Allen -07 22
Cooper Chambers, Allen -08 22
Corey Rucci, SL Carroll - 21
Clayton Farhat, Plano East - 07 20
Brian Nephew, Arl. Martin - 07 20
Jimmie Pharr, Flower Mound -07 20
Chris Slater, Plano East - 07 19
Wade Venett, Wylie -08 18
Cole Green, Coppell -07 18
Tyler Bruce, Plano West - 08 18
Jake Luce, Allen - 08 18
Chris Herbert, Coll. Heritage - 07 17
Jonathan Kaskow, Coppell -07 17
Parker Sheets, Irving MacArthur - 08 17
Alex Yarbrough, Allen - 09 17
Josh Stevenson, South Garland - 07 17
Victor Perez, Hurst Bell - 08 17
Miles Hamblin, Rowlett -07 17
Tanner Toal, SL Carroll 17

From a South Texas perspective:
The '05's were incredible. Unmatched since, in both level of talent and depth.
The '06's had some real stars, just not nearly as many as the '05's.
The '07's were down in terms of level of talent, but still had good depth.
The '08's best are better than the '07's best, but the depth is down.
The '09's may have more depth than the '08's, but their best are not as good as the '08's best.

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I'm glad for the Blackhawks success as well. Is that the same Blackhawks that played in the BBI 16's Premier League last year, that went 5-8- 1? If so, then they didn't lose another game all year?

Meats... doing good this morning (on 5 hours sleep) No not our team. Aguair has that bunch now. Unfortunatly our team dispanded further fracturing the talent. true ,the High School stats are not a good barometer.(thats a whole nother topic) I feel that the 08's have much more polish, savvy, (baseball talent) from playing very tough talent, with lesser pitching. I gave you an example of 3 top area teams, that compete nationally. there is also the Dallas Giants, the Monarcs,Mustangs ect... My point is this, Quite frankly i was shocked when we played 07 teams and even PG national events and found out these teams just didn't have the (savvy/baseball talent) that we were used to playing. (they certainly have physical/athletic talent) Again we can have this discussion in ten years with results and facts and still not agree. just giving you my opinion.

I agree, not enough sleep. Hard to get to sleep after the tough loss.

Texan, thanks for the view from the South. Is that Houston and south or Centex and south?

We are blessed to live in the for all best state for baseball and I know it jades my opinion on how good the players are I get to watch, yes - including the 08's. SoCal, FLA and Ga ( East Cobb +) all have good baseball just not the quantity of good players and good programs we have here.

Headed out to the ball park now, Coppell plays that tough hitting Allen ball club.

The attempts at becoming "loaded" in Dallas seem to be (at least looking at the 08 situation) getting more and more difficult. As a 13 year old team, the 08 Dallas Tigers were as dominant as any team in the country. We went 70-10. Having said that, some of the kids were early bloomers who began to fade. With the addition of better teams as we got older, DBAT and the Mustangs to name a few, there are only a few kids from that team (I think 3... myself included) still on the team. There have been discussions on this board about how many select teams there are in the area and how competing for players becomes huge. A lot of the top position players/pitchers from the 08 class live far away... Ennis, Mexia (but I think he moved even farther away so I don't know), to name a couple (by a lot I just mean a good amount). Honestly, big time prospects may not be as plentiful, but I feel like with any three of these classes, you can't go wrong. I see all levels being good/essential parts to HS teams (and some very highly ranked HS teams if I may add).

I can't speak for D-FW and Houston, but I know that last summer, my son's South Texas Sliders 16U team (all '08 players) went 8-3 against Premier 18U teams (composed primarily of '07 players).

infield... We played your 15U team in a woodbat game, you could tell they could play (very impressed by them) was told your team was really good, Austin wings have the old Thunder/Blast group with jungmann (jungmann is the real deal)They were always a tough team to beat.

M.D. -
S.A. and south Texas, as opposed to southeast (e.g., Houston).

John G., you should play the '07 Blackhawks team. Contact John Marston to set it up...would be a fun event.

I'm also pretty sure you will see more pitchers and players coming out of the woodwork for all class levels, so it is pointless to argue this debate. For instance, you can now put Kevin Cosgrove on the list of pitching prospects for '08. I know several of my team mates, both HS and summer, who are coming out this year and having great years. ('07s)

blackhawk32 is correct in saying this is pointless based on the fact that guys will come out of the woodwork over the next couple of years. I have been following the 06, 07, and 08's for many years and Flower Mound has a 2007 named Bruening that is 6'6" and was throwing 92-95 the other day and I have never heard of him. It is too hard to compare classes until the graduate.

There is no way to judge the 09s this early. Some of these boys will grow and get a lot stronger over the next 2 years, and a lot of the 09s you consider studs now may have peaked. Even 08s are hard to judge, still lots of baseball to be played between now and when they graduate. I have seen kids that ruled the 13U and 14U divisions that don't even make the high school team.

One name that is not on the list for the 08's........Nico Taylor. This kid, in my opinion, and I don't say this lightly.... has the potential to be a VERY high pick in the 08 draft. There aren't many kids that I've seen play with his bat speed. It's UNREAL. Since his return from basketball, he's 14-24 with 5 double's and a bomb that's still going! He's been pitched around all season and has been able to do that. This kid is a MONSTER.

I'd have to agree with OP but once again like I've said on other posts... he's been on my radar for a while. Kids give me a hard time about knowing about so many "good" or "great" players... but really, if anyone takes the time to watch select/hs baseball, find out who they are, then follow them a while, you learn a lot of great players... '08s being "weak" may be more of a reflection of the greatness the DFW area is use to... not to cut us short by anymeans... just saying.

Blackhawk32,
Cosgrove is a prospect.
He (and other Patriots) had strong fall seasons.
jesuitbaseball had a decent fall as well.

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Originally posted by Old Pitcher:
One name that is not on the list for the 08's........Nico Taylor. This kid, in my opinion, and I don't say this lightly.... has the potential to be a VERY high pick in the 08 draft. There aren't many kids that I've seen play with his bat speed. It's UNREAL. Since his return from basketball, he's 14-24 with 5 double's and a bomb that's still going! He's been pitched around all season and has been able to do that. This kid is a MONSTER.

No Brainer!! Kid is a S.T.U.D.! TOP 10 ROUNDER IN MY OPINION..

John Alves...your son Darren (?) Alves is a very good ballplayer. I think out of the three games we played, we might have gotten him out 1 maybe 2 times. He played great defense too.

Uncle Ethan,
If you had Flower Mound's Bruening at 92-95 the other night you might want to have your gun recalibrated. My husband and I sat behind the scouts and the top reading was 91 with most fastballs being 88-89.

A big difference in my opinion.

Still good but not quite that good.

Juggs versus Stalker?

Uncle Ethan,
I sent you a PM

I was at the Poteet game other night sat behind Arkansas Coach and West Mesquite Pitchers Dad. Nowell- Sitting at 81-83mph on Stalker 08
Dixon- Sitting at 89-93 mph both pitching well, West mesquite parent told the Arkansas Coach what a great kid and pitcher Nowell is he also was speaking highly of Poteets Catcher he thinks both players are top kids in DFW. Poteet won.