100 pitches

My thoughts are, you already believe it’s too many and are hoping someone here will disagree. Sounds to me like you’re in for a very long Fr season. If the coach will do that this early in the season, what’s gonna happen later.

Sorry.

That's high.  Unless it was a big game and he was firing with sound mechanics...  Sometimes Coach's want to see what players have in the tank, but it's a bit early in the season for that.

Freshman Coach needs to get dialed into appropriate pitch counts and developing the other pitchers.  The team will struggle for a few weeks, but after a month the team will have new found depth and finish the season strong.  If your son is the best pitcher, have him take the "we" approach to help develop the other pitchers.

Even at the HS level a parent needs to be aware of pitch counts to protect their kids.  If there's an issue, the kid can do his own talking.  There aren't many coach's I trust with my kids arm.  My son projects at SS in college, not as a pitcher.  My son doesn't need an extended outing in cool weather early in the season to ruin his future.  Let alone baseball career, how about playing catch with his own kids in the back yard.

100 is a lot for a HS freshman and depending on the kid's physical build, I would have concerns accordingly.  The big issue I have here is at this age  Growth Plates are still maturing and have not fused, so are subject to injury with that kind of stress.  If it's just a one shot deal, then with plenty of rest afterwards, I wouldn't have much concern.  But if this is a trend for the coach, I think I'd schedule a talk with him about it.

For a second I thought you may have been talking about our varsity HC.Then I realized "100" would not be enough.

My son's high school coach's determination for a pitcher being done was "Is the barn in fire and the horse's headed for the hills?" If the team was winning the pitcher stayed in. 120+ outings were normal if a pitcher wasn't in complete command that day.

i was fine with my son being a closer instead of a starter under these circumstances. So, did my son come in at the start of 7th innings? Not usually. He often came in when the tying and/or winning runs were already on base.

Regardless, over his three varsity seasons six pitchers went D2 or D3.

How many MLB pitcher throw over 100 PC?  

The answer is absolutely not for a freshman high school pitcher.   This should be a fire-able offense but like concussions in football it will take time for all states to implement pitch count rules for this to be taken seriously. 

Talk to the coach first but eventually you need to develop a plan for your son to pull himself out after a predetermine pitch count using Andrews as a guideline.  

I'm confused as to why it was necessary for the pitcher to go 100 pitches in the first place? Not even considering the health aspect.

I'll assume since we are talking a freshman, that it isn't varsity ball.  My son's school doesn't have a freshman program, but the JV program was run with pitchers going 3 innings max.

They only get in 2 games a week, and there were probably 6-8 guys considered "pitchers".  How are they going to get any game experience if one guy is going out to 100 pitches?

lionbaseball posted:

How many MLB pitcher throw over 100 PC?  

The answer is absolutely not for a freshman high school pitcher.   This should be a fire-able offense but like concussions in football it will take time for all states to implement pitch count rules for this to be taken seriously. 

Talk to the coach first but eventually you need to develop a plan for your son to pull himself out after a predetermine pitch count using Andrews as a guideline.  

I don't disagree (that's what my lawyer friends always say when the agree with me but don't want to admit it).

Little league guidelines are 95 a day for 13yo and up.  That seems high to me.  It's higher than my 14 yo will go this year.

New Colorado HS pitching limits would have only allowed 86 pitches in a game for sub-varsity, 110 for varsity. The number itself doesn't automatically concern me as much as the calendar does. Unless this kid was gearing up an throwing games in January and February, it certainly raises big, red flags for me going into the future concerning this coach. If this is your kid, CUTFB, I would seriously consider a very respectful meeting with the coach to discuss exactly what his plans are for your son and what pitch counts he and you find acceptable. If you keep this to yourself, it's going to be a very long four years.

What about this?  What if your pitcher has reached his pitch count for the night (whatever it may be) and both player and player's father are begging you not to take him out?

I can tell you what 2018 pitch limits are for the HS school season.

1.)  only appears twice a week in any situation

2.) cannot go over 85 pitches in a game ( including warm up in the game but not pre warm-up)

3.) cannot exceed 45 innings in the season ( scrimmages count towards that number)

4.) for every pitch he throws he gets an hour rest   72 pitches = 72 hours

no exceptions.

Interesting topic. On the one hand, 2019Son threw 64 pitches (5 innings) in his first high school game (JV) on Saturday. He had been on a 50-pitch limit in winter ball, so the modest increase seemed reasonable.

OTOH, a former teammate (also a freshman) of my son threw his first high school game (varsity) last night for a different high school. He was at 91 pitches through 5 innings and the coach sent him back out for the sixth. Fortunately (for the kid's arm), the sixth started HBP, single, single, so the coach pulled him, and he ended up at *only* 96 pitches. 

Bacdorslider, those look very reasonable. Couple of questions: (1) are those the team's standards, or your's? and (2) when you say you include the warm-up, do you mean the 8 warm-up pitches each inning? In other words, if through 4 innings he had thrown 53 pitches in the game, he would be done because he would have also thrown 32 warm-up pitches?

These numbers came from me , son and his future pitching coach.  2018 is a soph, he pitched varsity as a freshman and threw 21 innings in a closing role....with a .37 ERA and 7 saves.  He threw a total of 34 innings  in the summer and maybe 16 in the fall.  That's what 71 innings ?  That's plenty for a freshman, this year he can go to 80-85 innings and as a jr we will see.

I do not count the warm up rountine in the bull pen before the game...  he limits the between inning pitches to  6  if he feels that's all he needs , but maybe 8 .... you are correct if he throws 53 pitches plus 32 warm-up then he's done.     He threw three innings the other day and threw 32 pitches.

Also, he is not going to go to the bullpen and "warm-up" for three innings waiting to go in....  Hate to sound like Hitler but if you do not do this then you run a risk of being over used at a young age.

Hopefully he will close games and the coach will use the jr's  and sr's to start.   Our team has 2018 , and two other pitchers committed to SEC schools and three other pitchers committed to other schools, they have a ton of pitching so why stack innings on a sophomore?   He's still growing...  Does the HS coach like this of course not.... but it's fair.... Now if he's pitching in a state game and goes 10 pitches over , so you bend a little.  It's easier to open it up than clamp it down.

 I would like to say that it is my believe that over use comes from too many outings. warming up to pitch and pitching 4 times at 50 pitches per is much worse than throwing 2 times at 100 per.

bacdorslider posted:

 

Also, he is not going to go to the bullpen and "warm-up" for three innings waiting to go in....  Hate to sound like Hitler but if you do not do this then you run a risk of being over used at a young age.

 

 

This is something that is sooooo overlooked.  We had a sophomore pitcher on HS team last year that was the middle relief guy.  Up and down, up and down.  Three game in one week where he never entered the game, but threw the equivalent of 2+ complete games in the pen.  He was so sore that he couldn't throw (and was then unavailable to the team) for the next week and a half.

Too often the bullpen coach isn't paying close enough attention to truly manage this scenario.