2010 SED All District Team

Congrats to all who made the All SED Team, but I am confused on the voting system. How did GB win the SED and 2 of their pitchers were undefeated (Flaherty and RV), yet RV only made 2nd team and Flaherty may have been an HM? C. Cox had 3 losses and Thompson had 2 or 3. Good luck to WB and GB as they move on to the regionals.

I do not think you are hearing me...listen to this guy instead. But please remember,these are kids and they are enjoying their high school career in spite of this type of acknowledgement.

Posted May 23, 2010 08:22 AM Hide Post
Trust me, you would not believe what goes on in some of those meetings.

I was privy to one a couple years ago (football in another region) and an outgoing coach announced at the beginning of the meeting he was not going to vote for certain kids at a certain school 'for payback' against their coach. Yes, that kind of childish behavior exists in these types of meetings. So don't put too much 'stock' in the all district selections... it is an honor, but unfortunately some coaches show up with an agenda.

I would have to agree with game-time that although Cox and Thompson are very good pitchers, Flaherty had a more sucessful high school season this year. Certainly Cox deserved player of the year for his pitching and hitting combined but if you just look at the pitching, Flaherty had a better season.

Not picking sides here but according to the Pilot this morning:

Cox 7 victories, 1.30 era and led the area in strikeouts with 110, 46 more than the next highest in the SED (Inghram).

Thompson had 8 victories, 1.75 era and 52 K's.

Van Assche listed as 6 victories and not a leader in K's or ERA. Andrew F. not listed in any catagory. Now W. Lee may have not supplied the pilot with stats, I don't know but the 2 pitchers chosen did a great job. Don't confuse team success with individual honors, team success means way more to Great Bridge than individual honors, they are still playing aren't they, and there's a reason Wiley Lee was the coach of the year in the SED.

If you notice, this year, as last year, and I am sure in prior years also, there are a few players who were recognized more than once, either by two positions on First Team or by one position on First Team and one on Second Team. I realize multiple awards is a way to recognize players who perform well in multiple positions. However I wish the SED coaches would adopt a policy of not bestowing any First or Second Team position to the POY and of not bestowing more than one All Team position to a single player. The coaches could recognize more players without making it look silly (e.g., like another district which had 11 outfielders and 8 pitchers between their First and Second Teams.) The SED is full of players who played at the top of their game after working many hard hours to get there. Let’s give accolades to more of them.

SmithBaseball, Is there any reason my suggestion would not work?

I believe Flaherty had 5 wins - Oscar Smith, Hickory (2), Deep Creek and Nansemond River. Vanassche clearly had more than 6 wins because he picked up the win in a few games pitching the closing innings of the game. He had 8 or 9, I believe. Thompson had 2 losses - Indian River and Great Bridge.

There is pretty good reason to suspect numbers. I mean after all it seems that it is kind of hard just to establish pitcher records fow W's and L's forget about K's and ERA. As far as keeping stats goes way too many people don't even kow how to keep score. Don't get me started on how the bases loaded 2 out gound ball that goes between the 3B legs gets turned into a 3 RBI 2 bagger.

IMO this is a bit of a Beauty Contest so it's the eye of the beholder.

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Originally posted by luv baseball:
There is pretty good reason to suspect numbers. I mean after all it seems that it is kind of hard just to establish pitcher records fow W's and L's forget about K's and ERA. As far as keeping stats goes way too many people don't even kow how to keep score. Don't get me started on how the bases loaded 2 out gound ball that goes between the 3B legs gets turned into a 3 RBI 2 bagger.

IMO this is a bit of a Beauty Contest so it's the eye of the beholder.

Thank you

Is this a good time to suggest selection of the first and second teams by ability only rather than by position? I mentioned in an earlier posting that more than one player or person would be upset at the district selections given the large number of good pitchers.

If you simply pick the best 12 players for the first team and the next 12 best players for the second team, you would avoid duplication and maximize the number of players honored. (I did not foresee position changes, but it was probably difficult to overcome a .600 hitter).

I really do not see a good reason to select by position. The players selected do not play in an All Star game. Consequently, we do not need to have a player at each "position". Selection by ability only would increase flexibility and might reduce (but not eliminate) the horse trading. In one year, pitchers might dominate, and more pitchers would be selected. In another year, shortstops or third basemen might dominate, and more than one shortstop or third baseman could be selected.

I know the teams have been selected by position in the past, but that is not a reason, just an excuse. What do we have to lose? Try it for a year or two. If it does not work, revert back to the old system.

It appears that each of the four districts in the Eastern Region select their All District teams by position. Is it perhaps a requirement of the Eastern Region and that if a change is to be instituted, as El Gato proposes, the change has to be made at the Region level? SmithBaseball, can you enlighten us?

Wondering since clearly GB had 3 pitchers(Stokes, Van Asch, Flaherey) whom pitched, they all played 1B, and 2 were DH's(Stokes, Van Asch), and played OF (R.Van Asch).
Someone please let me know how the 1st team 2B can be given to GB's Short Stop? Or is it if you've played there 1 time thats it??? I was looking for Flaherety and Van Asch to be given their credits.

Justin played 5 games at 2B this year. It was at the suggestion of the other coaches that Justin get first team 2B in lieu of another strong choice at that spot. If he had not, GB would have only gotten one first team selection of Stokes in a year where they won the district which would have been unheard of.

Billy Chapel,

Clearly, GB's 2nd baseman that played 2B was H.Higgerson not Justin Lee. H.Higgerson hit one off the fence against WB. Same game: Justin Lee made an awesome diving catch from SS. He as well made a huge error over throwing the ball. I don't understand the way this all works and its like not knowing is the key. I still don't see how Van Asch nor Flaherty were not in the first teams. GB coach was Coach of the Year and his coaching is to win. He wouldn't be there if not for this Years Team!

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All-District selections are made by position, and guys can make 1st team at pitcher AND a position AND be player of the year is because only 1st team All-District selections can be up for All-Eastern Region and All-State.

Smith Baseball: so are you saying that if your team is in the regions and do fantastic, and it might be due to several players on your team that were not on either the 1st or 2nd All District team, they can't be part of an All Region Team?

Congrats to all the players selected

All-District team with photos

So just to make sure I got it right:

1) Van Asche is a vulture
2) Flarerty beats only the weak sisters
3) They were undeafeated in 14 decisions against the same teams as everyone else had to work against. BTW the only 2 undefeated pitchers with at least 6 decisions that I am aware of.
4) The obvious choice lost the game that cost his team the regional birth.
5) The other first team pitcher lost the biggest game of the year to the vulture who was relieved by the beater of the weak sisters.

Makes me go hmmmm.

If there is so much flexibility built into the system then Thompson is the SS and Van Asche is a Pitcher on the first team and that opens up the slot on the second team for Flaherty.

Common Sense, simple, correct and no fuss..no muss.

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Smith Baseball: so are you saying that if your team is in the regions and do fantastic, and it might be due to several players on your team that were not on either the 1st or 2nd All District team, they can't be part of an All Region Team?

Yes. There are 3 different "ALL" Teams this time of year...

1) The All-Region teams, for which to qualify you have to have been a 1st-team All-District selection.

2) The All-Tidewater team, which is selected by the Virginian-Pilot. This team consists of the best players from the Southeastern, Beach, & Norfolk districts in the opinion of their writing staff.

3) All Eastern Regional tournament team, which players can make due to their contributions in the tournament.

Hope that clears it up some.

Smith Baseball: Yes, that does help.

One more question on the "All Tidewater Team".... some teams repeatedly get a whole lot more press than others and some players seem to be in the paper regularly while many, many other great and just as deserving players from many other teams do not. So I guess this team would just comprise of the players the Pilot knows about and writes about. I know that I read the paper every day and certain teams have big headlines and photos on a regular basis and others (even after big games) just get the "teeny" print, if you know what I mean!

Thanks to Smith baseball for the explanation, you didn't have to open yourself to criticism but you were willing to take the time to explain the thought process to us. It shows no matter what you think goes on elsewhere the coaches of the SED put a lot of time and thought into their selections. No one is ever satisfied with all star selections (remember-If I ain't starting, I ain't departing), someone deserving is always left out, but that's the nature of the beast. RV, Jason, Shane, Andrew, TJ and others may not have gotten the recognition some think they deserve but who would you leave off? I say good job by all the coaches.

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Originally posted by luv baseball:
So just to make sure I got it right:

1) Van Asche is a vulture
2) Flarerty beats only the weak sisters
3) They were undeafeated in 14 decisions against the same teams as everyone else had to work against. BTW the only 2 undefeated pitchers with at least 6 decisions that I am aware of.
4) The obvious choice lost the game that cost his team the regional birth.
5) The other first team pitcher lost the biggest game of the year to the vulture who was relieved by the beater of the weak sisters.

Makes me go hmmmm.

If there is so much flexibility built into the system then Thompson is the SS and Van Asche is a Pitcher on the first team and that opens up the slot on the second team for Flaherty.

Common Sense, simple, correct and no fuss..no muss.

The above makes sense. They should have 12 players recognized as first team. If a player occupies 2 positions then list another player at one of those postions also. Thus Van Asche could be a first team pitcher.

Look at the Peninsula district's first team and you will see that 3 pitchers listed as first team. It makes sense to recognize all the players that are good enough to make first team. As it is the SED only recognized 10 players as first team while most other districts recognized 12 or more players. Also as a result 2 players were bumped off the second team. I wonder who those players might have been?

The Pilot does ask the area coaches for their opinion on who should be nominated/selected before making their selections, but I do understand your point about players having "names" in the area due to regular pub.

That's the sole reason I do the game recaps for Smith (and their opponents) here... It's one way to acknowledge players who aren't typically given recognition in the paper, because the recaps there are so short.

Can-O-Corn ... thanks for understanding the purpose of the original post (which I have since deleted due to it being miscontsrued). Coaches do understand how important these lists are to their kids and also want to put out the most talented players on 1st team, because they want the district to be well represented in the region/state... I think the best way to explain the selections was it was slightly based on numbers... but mostly, just who the coaches respected the most as the most talented players. The one thing I will repeat from the original post (because it should be known) is that if someone wants to fight for pitchers not recognized... Jason Ingraham was great for Grassfield ... 5-1, 1.30 ERA, 43 IP, 64 Ks, only 4 BBs. Great kid too from what I understand. Just one more kid that should be recognized... (I DO agree that VanAssche and Flaherty were great this season and deserve some love/pub).

Smith Baseball:

I guess every district does their own thing and there aren't any real rules in terms of the amount of players that are selected for each team. Have you seen the Beach All District Teams? They have two players at almost each position for both teams? Just interesting how the SED tended to tow the line on only one player per position (other than Pitcher) and the other districts went a little overboard? Just curious.

Obviously excluding OF which should have 3 selections...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by earlydawn:
Smith Baseball:

I guess every district does their own thing and there aren't any real rules in terms of the amount of players that are selected for each team. Have you seen the Beach All District Teams? They have two players at almost each position for both teams? Just interesting how the SED tended to tow the line on only one player per position (other than Pitcher) and the other districts went a little overboard? Just curious.

Yes, the Beach district had 14 players represented on the first team compared to only 10 players represented on the SED first team. The beach district also had 17 more players represented on the second team. That is a total of 31 different players who got some well deserved recognition. I think if a player had an outstanding year, then why not give him some recognition. Particularly this year when there was so many outstanding players who were on par with those who made the SED second team.

smith,how come bdavis didnt make 1 or 2nd team all district.