Where do we find the 2010 recruits for division 1 colleges?
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Nothing is official yet, so there's not much out there at this time.
With a subscription, I would guess there is some information in the link below (but I don't know for sure how much is in the 2011 database):
2010 and 2011 Baseball Commitments
Letters of intent will be signed in November and a number of sites will report that information publicly at about that time.
With a subscription, I would guess there is some information in the link below (but I don't know for sure how much is in the 2011 database):
2010 and 2011 Baseball Commitments
Letters of intent will be signed in November and a number of sites will report that information publicly at about that time.
Until the said players sign an NLI the college cannot even talk about them
Fact be known anything you read right now on various websites is mostly conjecture
Fact be known anything you read right now on various websites is mostly conjecture
So you think there is plenty of time to be recruited or do you think they already have everyone they are looking for?
I thought the the signing period was April 14th - August ??
I thought the the signing period was April 14th - August ??
First signing date for 2011 is in November.
Some of the bigger schools already have commitments, but plenty of time left if you're good enough.
Some of the bigger schools already have commitments, but plenty of time left if you're good enough.
Alot of verbals and alot of kids identified from the class of 2011 however most we've talked to are looking to summer ball,camp, showcase and PG Tourney stuff to fill out their rosters. From the sound of things, and with the Pro draft looming, I think there are plenty of offers still out there.
quote:Fact be known anything you read right now on various websites is mostly conjecture
You really couldn't be more wrong. Over the last few years, I've seen maybe 3 cases of erronneous reports or of kids making verbals and then changing their minds. In contrast, I've seen literally thousands of commitments posted that turned out to be absolutely true.
While either side can back out up until the paperwork is signed, the paperwork is typically just a confirmation of a handshake deal struck long before. I don't know why you would pretend that reports of such deals are so suspect. They are in fact the norm.
To the OP, it is still very early for 2011's, go have a great summer and fall and do your work. The truth is there are still lots of opportunities even for 2010's. No reason to panic, far from it.
I know PG's most definitely are not conjecture.
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They most certainly are conjecture because they are not and cannot be confirmed--some of these kids do not even know if they will be accepted to the school--
I guess I asked the question wrong. I meant the recruits that will play in 2011, so I guess they will be 2010 recruits, sorry.
Again, I regret to say that is not accurate.
Coaches evaluate the kids to see if they think they can get them through admissions. The coaches make it their business to know what criteria their school's admissions department will apply very well. In many cases they may run the kid's numbers by an admissions contact to get a preview ahead of time.
I do know of a kid here or there who ran into unexpected admissions troubles, and there are also kids who think they have it made so they go on cruise control and screw themselves up during their senior year. But again, such things happen only rarely.
In any event, when people speak on here of commitments, they mean baseball commitments, and those are always subject to admissions anyway. Aside from early admissions processes, lots of NLI's are actually signed in November, months before admissions notices go out.
Coaches evaluate the kids to see if they think they can get them through admissions. The coaches make it their business to know what criteria their school's admissions department will apply very well. In many cases they may run the kid's numbers by an admissions contact to get a preview ahead of time.
I do know of a kid here or there who ran into unexpected admissions troubles, and there are also kids who think they have it made so they go on cruise control and screw themselves up during their senior year. But again, such things happen only rarely.
In any event, when people speak on here of commitments, they mean baseball commitments, and those are always subject to admissions anyway. Aside from early admissions processes, lots of NLI's are actually signed in November, months before admissions notices go out.
Midlo
Never regret anything--ever !!!!
Just because you regret does not mean you are correct
I know of at least three players in our region who had their committments published in the papers and LO and BEHOLD they never happened---until the coach at the specifically noted college tells me the boy is coming then I accept it as gospel
Never regret anything--ever !!!!
Just because you regret does not mean you are correct
I know of at least three players in our region who had their committments published in the papers and LO and BEHOLD they never happened---until the coach at the specifically noted college tells me the boy is coming then I accept it as gospel
quote:Originally posted by 08ballin:
I guess I asked the question wrong. I meant the recruits that will play in 2011, so I guess they will be 2010 recruits, sorry.
In that case, most of those spots are filled, especially at the higher levels. There still are some late commits every year, though, so there's still a chance if you're the right fit for a particular program.
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Keep in mind the impact that the draft might have on kids and their commitments. Hard to blame an 18 year old if he chooses a six figure signing bonus over going to college, especially if he has the mindset to go back to school when his playing days are over. Still, the statistics show that those who go to college first often times get drafted higher than they did coming out of high schoool.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Midlo
Never regret anything--ever !!!!
Just because you regret does not mean you are correct
I know of at least three players in our region who had their committments published in the papers and LO and BEHOLD they never happened---until the coach at the specifically noted college tells me the boy is coming then I accept it as gospel
Just because those 3 were wrong doesn't mean that all others are based on conjecture. There are definitely other trusted sources out there that keep track of these things and don't just base them on opinion or theory. One might say you are spewing conjecture.
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On Wabana
As I posted in another thread--know who is posting--that is key
I also know you are not a fan of TRhit--so be it-- I STILL SLEEP AT NIGHT-- I know what my experience is in this topic--I do not spew-- I do not ask anyone to agree with my posts--we are here to express opinions without defamimg others
As I posted in another thread--know who is posting--that is key
I also know you are not a fan of TRhit--so be it-- I STILL SLEEP AT NIGHT-- I know what my experience is in this topic--I do not spew-- I do not ask anyone to agree with my posts--we are here to express opinions without defamimg others
Obviously we are talking about verbal commitments. In that case things can and do change. But there is no conjecture involved, these are true verbal commitments.
Colleges are not allowed to publicize these commitments. But if you know the right people you can confirm there has been an offer and a verbal commitment. That said, we have heard stories of kids claiming these commitments when they didn't exist. For a good player that would not be very smart!
We looked back at our early commitments from last year for the 2010 class. All but two ended up officially signing with the same school. Those two players decommited and went elsewhere.
So far, we have made one mistake that I'm aware of. That was because we didn't thoroughly check things out. You try not to repeat the same mistakes.
Colleges are not allowed to publicize these commitments. But if you know the right people you can confirm there has been an offer and a verbal commitment. That said, we have heard stories of kids claiming these commitments when they didn't exist. For a good player that would not be very smart!
We looked back at our early commitments from last year for the 2010 class. All but two ended up officially signing with the same school. Those two players decommited and went elsewhere.
So far, we have made one mistake that I'm aware of. That was because we didn't thoroughly check things out. You try not to repeat the same mistakes.
A couple of days ago, there was an article in a local paper that had our (2011) son committed to a local college...it was wrong.
I wrote the newspaper writer...the reporter was sure he "heard it from the HS coach." The reporter was wrong (as he checked back and realized he was confused with a different player)...he apologized...but it could be damaging for the wrong information to get out there.
The news on verbals should come from the kid and his family and no one else. As PGStaff states, great care should be taken.
I wrote the newspaper writer...the reporter was sure he "heard it from the HS coach." The reporter was wrong (as he checked back and realized he was confused with a different player)...he apologized...but it could be damaging for the wrong information to get out there.
The news on verbals should come from the kid and his family and no one else. As PGStaff states, great care should be taken.
TR
I probably should have restrained myself from saying that "you are spewing conjecture." My bad. However, I don't think that I 'defamed you.' Even if I did, I know you will sleep tonight. Lol.
Again, we are both just expressing our opinions, nothing more, nothing less.
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I probably should have restrained myself from saying that "you are spewing conjecture." My bad. However, I don't think that I 'defamed you.' Even if I did, I know you will sleep tonight. Lol.
Again, we are both just expressing our opinions, nothing more, nothing less.
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2011 Grads committed to Coastal Carolina
Tanner Wilt, RHP, N. Allegheny Pa
Nate Kuhn, IF, S. Aiken SC
Tanner English, OF, St. James HS SC
Chris Harrison, RHP/SS, White Knoll HS SC
Tanner Wilt, RHP, N. Allegheny Pa
Nate Kuhn, IF, S. Aiken SC
Tanner English, OF, St. James HS SC
Chris Harrison, RHP/SS, White Knoll HS SC
quote:Originally posted by ccu89:
2011 Grads committed to Coastal Carolina
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Are you the parent of all of those kids? Are their parents ok with you posting that? Are those kids ok with you posting that?
Just wondering...if one were my kid, I wouldn't be too happy with your post. Not your news to tell. JMO.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:quote:Originally posted by ccu89:
2011 Grads committed to Coastal Carolina
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Are you the parent of all of those kids? Are their parents ok with you posting that? Are those kids ok with you posting that?
Just wondering...if one were my kid, I wouldn't be too happy with your post. Not your news to tell. JMO.
Lighten up dude, I don't post anything that hasn't been in the news paper or on the web already.
OK "dude." But listen to me...if you're open to hearing a different point of view.
Many parents do not want news like this released on a public message board. I am one of them. I am glad my son is not committed to CCU or I'd be pretty PO'd right now.
Respect other people's privacy. It belongs to them, not you.
Many parents do not want news like this released on a public message board. I am one of them. I am glad my son is not committed to CCU or I'd be pretty PO'd right now.
Respect other people's privacy. It belongs to them, not you.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
OK "dude." But listen to me...if you're open to hearing a different point of view.
Many parents do not want news like this released on a public message board. I am one of them. I am glad my son is not committed to CCU or I'd be pretty PO'd right now.
Respect other people's privacy. It belongs to them, not you.
Justbaseball aka "dude",
I think ccu89 is not yet familiar with the unwritten "family law" in regard to others minding their own business when it comes to family matters. Unless of course his goal in life is to be the pre-NLI paparazzi for CCU. From his screen name, it looks as though he has a lot of respect for his Alma mater and I wonder what their opinion is of Alumni posting message board fodder of unreleased commitments?
People that feel it's all right to repeat unsubstantiated here-say are just as bad as those who start them IMHO
Just for the record.
We do list early verbal commitments. It has turned into an important part of recruiting at the DI level. The information can be helpful to colleges and even pro scouts to a certain extent. It is subscriber content on pgcrosschecker.
Colleges that the players commit to, actually like to see this publicized because it tends to stop a lot of competitive recruiting efforts. It can also help the other programs plan recruiting efforts, saving time, effort and money. Most recruiters go elsewhere when they know a player has commited to another college. Obviously this benefits the college more than the player. It kind of takes the player off the recruiting map in a way.
Our information comes from the players and parents, but often this is initiated by the college recruiters. It's fairly easy for us to confirm everything with someone "close" to the college program.
Early verbal commitments are becoming more and more a big part of recruiting. Verbal commitments have always been a big part of the process, they've just started earlier these days. It's not much different than all the lists, including ours, that come out before the official signing day. (Those are all verbals until then) it's just expanded to include younger kids. Still, it is important info for many of those involved.
We all know that things can change between the verbal and the LOI signing. These things can change the day before signing day for one reason or another. But in nearly all cases, the verbals turn into actual signings during the early signing period.
Some players/parents actually want the recruiting process to stop, but the greatest benefit of publishing early verbals goes to the college the player verballed to.
I agree that incorrect information can be a problem for the player. In our situation it would take at least two people involved that have given us incorrect information. If we heard the information from anyone other than player or someone very "close" to the college program, we would check with player, parents and program.
Colleges can't legally (NCAA) talk about these things. However if I ask a college coach if so and so has verballed, they can say they can't talk about it, but there's nothing to stop him from saying NO!
Bottom line, those colleges that get verbals from top underclass players benefit in many ways. College recruiting is highly competitive and the best recruiters develop a great reputation and increase their value.
All that said, No way could I ever argue against what "justbaseball" wrote.
However, defining that privacy can be confusing at times.
We do list early verbal commitments. It has turned into an important part of recruiting at the DI level. The information can be helpful to colleges and even pro scouts to a certain extent. It is subscriber content on pgcrosschecker.
Colleges that the players commit to, actually like to see this publicized because it tends to stop a lot of competitive recruiting efforts. It can also help the other programs plan recruiting efforts, saving time, effort and money. Most recruiters go elsewhere when they know a player has commited to another college. Obviously this benefits the college more than the player. It kind of takes the player off the recruiting map in a way.
Our information comes from the players and parents, but often this is initiated by the college recruiters. It's fairly easy for us to confirm everything with someone "close" to the college program.
Early verbal commitments are becoming more and more a big part of recruiting. Verbal commitments have always been a big part of the process, they've just started earlier these days. It's not much different than all the lists, including ours, that come out before the official signing day. (Those are all verbals until then) it's just expanded to include younger kids. Still, it is important info for many of those involved.
We all know that things can change between the verbal and the LOI signing. These things can change the day before signing day for one reason or another. But in nearly all cases, the verbals turn into actual signings during the early signing period.
Some players/parents actually want the recruiting process to stop, but the greatest benefit of publishing early verbals goes to the college the player verballed to.
I agree that incorrect information can be a problem for the player. In our situation it would take at least two people involved that have given us incorrect information. If we heard the information from anyone other than player or someone very "close" to the college program, we would check with player, parents and program.
Colleges can't legally (NCAA) talk about these things. However if I ask a college coach if so and so has verballed, they can say they can't talk about it, but there's nothing to stop him from saying NO!
Bottom line, those colleges that get verbals from top underclass players benefit in many ways. College recruiting is highly competitive and the best recruiters develop a great reputation and increase their value.
All that said, No way could I ever argue against what "justbaseball" wrote.
quote:Respect other people's privacy.
However, defining that privacy can be confusing at times.
quote:PG Quote:
Our information comes from the players and parents, but often this is initiated by the college recruiters. It's fairly easy for us to confirm everything with someone "close" to the college program.
There's a difference between you posting a verified verbal commits and Joe Blow posting a list of names he heard about without confirmation.
No doubt PG, lets keep kids names off this site unless they okay it, too much can happen after a verbal....okay?
TR,
My phrasing was an attempt to maintain manners and decorum while trying to prevent those who view these threads from being terribly misinformed.
But if it makes you feel better, fine, I don't regret it.
My phrasing was an attempt to maintain manners and decorum while trying to prevent those who view these threads from being terribly misinformed.
But if it makes you feel better, fine, I don't regret it.
RZ,
I understand the difference.
LovetheGame,
I know you are referring to this topic, but when we get to the point of keeping kids names off this site unless they OK it, it will eliminate a lot of positive stuff written about a lot of kids.
Everyone understands that "too much can happen after a verbal". Does that mean that everything should be kept quiet until players officially sign? I think the bottom line is whether or not the information is correct. Kids and parents can claim things that are incorrect also. Not sure if that has any value to this site.
I can't speak for ccu89, but maybe he is someone who is deeply involved with Coastal. Maybe the info he posted is correct. For all we know, maybe he's involved in recruiting and he knows those kids he mentioned and thier parents.
I'm not too sure how private a verbal commitment should be. How do some that commit early answer the question... "Have you decided where you will go to college?"... "No I am undecided, I'm wide open, or I have verbally commited to ????." After a while, everyone finds out long before the signing period. That news is everywhere you look. Remember it is the college program that can't release the information, that doesn't pertain to the player or his family.
Anyway, without knowing more about ccu89 and the players he mentioned and where he got the information... How do we assume he has done anything wrong. Maybe he has, maybe not! If the information is false or invading someones privacy that would be bad thing. I don't think we know that, though.
I do know that one of the players he listed is on our list and I doubt that player would have any problem being mentioned as commiting early to Coastal. Maybe the others are the same way. Heck, maybe they're very proud of it and want everyone to know.
I understand the difference.
LovetheGame,
I know you are referring to this topic, but when we get to the point of keeping kids names off this site unless they OK it, it will eliminate a lot of positive stuff written about a lot of kids.
Everyone understands that "too much can happen after a verbal". Does that mean that everything should be kept quiet until players officially sign? I think the bottom line is whether or not the information is correct. Kids and parents can claim things that are incorrect also. Not sure if that has any value to this site.
I can't speak for ccu89, but maybe he is someone who is deeply involved with Coastal. Maybe the info he posted is correct. For all we know, maybe he's involved in recruiting and he knows those kids he mentioned and thier parents.
I'm not too sure how private a verbal commitment should be. How do some that commit early answer the question... "Have you decided where you will go to college?"... "No I am undecided, I'm wide open, or I have verbally commited to ????." After a while, everyone finds out long before the signing period. That news is everywhere you look. Remember it is the college program that can't release the information, that doesn't pertain to the player or his family.
Anyway, without knowing more about ccu89 and the players he mentioned and where he got the information... How do we assume he has done anything wrong. Maybe he has, maybe not! If the information is false or invading someones privacy that would be bad thing. I don't think we know that, though.
I do know that one of the players he listed is on our list and I doubt that player would have any problem being mentioned as commiting early to Coastal. Maybe the others are the same way. Heck, maybe they're very proud of it and want everyone to know.
PGStaff - I have no problem with anything you said...just to make sure you don't think I'm aiming at you in any way.
The CCU poster above quoted his source as the 'news paper and the web.' Terrible sources. As I said earlier...just 2-3 days ago a local paper published our 2011 son as going to a certain school. Dead wrong on their report. He never asked us, as he reviewed his notes he realized he actually confused our son with another player on his team. The writer apologized for his mistake to me in an email.
If our son's situation was different, that publication could have been damaging to his own recruitment (i.e., local colleges may have dropped off had they not already known the truth...from us).
The more I read newspapers, the more I realize how much wrong information is in them. And then there's the web! Even worse when any yahoo could post anything they want too.
The CCU poster above quoted his source as the 'news paper and the web.' Terrible sources. As I said earlier...just 2-3 days ago a local paper published our 2011 son as going to a certain school. Dead wrong on their report. He never asked us, as he reviewed his notes he realized he actually confused our son with another player on his team. The writer apologized for his mistake to me in an email.
If our son's situation was different, that publication could have been damaging to his own recruitment (i.e., local colleges may have dropped off had they not already known the truth...from us).
The more I read newspapers, the more I realize how much wrong information is in them. And then there's the web! Even worse when any yahoo could post anything they want too.
quote:I'm not too sure how private a verbal commitment should be. How do some that commit early answer the question... "Have you decided where you will go to college?"... "No I am undecided, I'm wide open, or I have verbally committed to ????."
OK, I'll bite. While a number of close friends and his HS coach know our son's situation...we have chosen to keep it quiet for one significant reason...He plays on a HS team that is having a fabulous season...we want NO distractions. The talk around the field needs to be about his HS team and nothing else.
How do we answer the question?: Simple, "We'll talk about it after the season."
How private?: Isn't that for us to decide? Of course word leaks out more each day it seems. But the other schools that recruited him heard it first from him within 48 hours of his commitment. And based on their response, I seriously doubt they heard it anywhere else first. Anyone (school) who has subsequently contacted him has been told immediately of his status. Thats upfront with the people who matter, but respectful of our privacy and respectful of his HS teammates at the same time.
quote:Heck, maybe they're very proud of it and want everyone to know.
No question we are proud of our son and where he's going. But no, I don't want everyone to know. There's a season to finish first. Our son's HS situation is simply the best "team" any of my kids have ever experienced. Not for one second do I want to chance any disruption to that.
justbaseball,
Believe me, I understand exactly where you're coming from and you have a legitimate concern. Bad information can be harmful, especially as it pertains to this topic.
Regarding newspapers, can't tell you how many times I've been quoted as saying something that just wasn't said.
My only point is... I'm not sure if the info posted was correct or incorrect. I don't know if the players mentioned or their parents would object or enjoy being named. Therefore, I'm not sure that "ccu" has done anything wrong in that post. Guess I doubt he meant any harm.
I would tend to think it's possible that he might have some information that we don't. We can find out if it's true, I guess.
Just my opinion.
At my age, I dislike being called "dude" also!
I just never feel like a "dude"!
Believe me, I understand exactly where you're coming from and you have a legitimate concern. Bad information can be harmful, especially as it pertains to this topic.
Regarding newspapers, can't tell you how many times I've been quoted as saying something that just wasn't said.
My only point is... I'm not sure if the info posted was correct or incorrect. I don't know if the players mentioned or their parents would object or enjoy being named. Therefore, I'm not sure that "ccu" has done anything wrong in that post. Guess I doubt he meant any harm.
I would tend to think it's possible that he might have some information that we don't. We can find out if it's true, I guess.
Just my opinion.
At my age, I dislike being called "dude" also!
I just never feel like a "dude"!
quote:At my age, I dislike being called "dude" also! Smile
I just never feel like a "dude"!
I dunno...made me feel younger...for a few seconds anyhow.
justbaseball,
When you decide to give out that info would you let us know?
Interesting that you brought up a good point and another fairly good source for information. School A coach can't talk about his verbal commitments, but School B, School C and School D can tell us that so and so has commited to School A.
I'd like to think that we respect privacy more than most anyone, but college recruiting can be pretty cut throat and very nonprivate at times.
BTW, we fight amongst those in our organization who are journalists and those of us who actually do respect the privacy of others.
When you decide to give out that info would you let us know?
Interesting that you brought up a good point and another fairly good source for information. School A coach can't talk about his verbal commitments, but School B, School C and School D can tell us that so and so has commited to School A.
I'd like to think that we respect privacy more than most anyone, but college recruiting can be pretty cut throat and very nonprivate at times.
BTW, we fight amongst those in our organization who are journalists and those of us who actually do respect the privacy of others.
Yup, will do.
justbaseball- The kid might want to try not wearing his future college hat to the local college game. I only got 4 calls on that one (haha- just kidding).
I'm with you on all of this. It's nobody's business but the family and the school he commits to (along with the schools you contacted that were recruiting him) after the decision was made).
The website recruiting services (scout, rivals. and espn rise- among others) feast on blue-chip recruits and have no problem invading their privacy with texts and phone calls at all times of the day and night. Much worse in football and basketball. The common denominator- all that stuff- the rankings, the scoops, etc. add up to subscriptions sold for the companies. All at the expense of players and their families.
I'm with you on all of this. It's nobody's business but the family and the school he commits to (along with the schools you contacted that were recruiting him) after the decision was made).
The website recruiting services (scout, rivals. and espn rise- among others) feast on blue-chip recruits and have no problem invading their privacy with texts and phone calls at all times of the day and night. Much worse in football and basketball. The common denominator- all that stuff- the rankings, the scoops, etc. add up to subscriptions sold for the companies. All at the expense of players and their families.
If any of you have followed the football and basketball signings this year you had to notice how many kids changed verbal committments, some of them even two or three times
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
If any of you have followed the football and basketball signings this year you had to notice how many kids changed verbal committments, some of them even two or three times
Yes. Disappointing.
I just hope my son gets to commit somewhere early and to have to decide if private is the way to go or making it public!! 
Don't worry PG, if you guys end up actually knowing him from up here in NH then I'll be sure to let you know!!
Don't worry PG, if you guys end up actually knowing him from up here in NH then I'll be sure to let you know!!